2016 Postmortem

gordyfl

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47. It was Al Gore's fault why he lost the 2000 election.

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:09 AM

Dec 2015

People should stop whining about the 2000 Election.

It was Al Gore's fault why he lost the 2000 election.

1) If Al Gore carried his home state of Tennessee, he wins. He did not carry his home state.

2) If Al Gore carried Bill Clinton's home state of Arkansas, Gore wins. He did not carry Bill Clinton's state.

If Al Gore carried either of those two states (not both) the election is over, and Florida means nothing.

Here's the big question. How did Dems lose to Bush a second time (2004)? You would think 4 years of Bush Dems would win by a landslide. Bush won TWICE. Dems were unable to shift the blame to Nader in 2004. Nader was not a factor.

To lose to Bush TWICE is pretty pitiful.

The problem was neither Gore nor Kerry could garnish the enthusiasm needed for Democrats to win.

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Bernie supporters could blow this election: Why refusing to vote for Hillary Clinton will only make [View all] applegrove Dec 2015 OP

Saw this one posted in the hillary supporters site HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #1

I found it on Reddit. Don't go to any Hillary sites. applegrove Dec 2015 #9

Well in that case it's just another tally in the long list of anti Bernie supporter threads. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #14

Agree. 840high Dec 2015 #15

Hillary supporters often say they'll vote for Bernie if he is the nominee. It is the Bernie applegrove Dec 2015 #22

No it's not anti-Bernie HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #24

The issue is one Bernie supporters have brought up. And spread. Voluntarily. Now it is applegrove Dec 2015 #27

Last post on this subject because I have other things to do HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #29

Right. Caveat, they believe he'll never be the nominee, so it isn't much of a challenge for them. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #79

Be real. Bernie supporters "often" say they'll vote for Hillary. Some in both groups have said merrily Dec 2015 #107

Many are hoping for this bravenak Dec 2015 #2

Finally, someone at Salon with at least a half of a brain. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #3

Must be nice.... daleanime Dec 2015 #4

*chortle nt artislife Dec 2015 #40

Yep. GoneFishin Dec 2015 #84

Lining up excuses for a Hillary loss, looks like to me. djean111 Dec 2015 #5

I reject the premise of the article vt_native Dec 2015 #6

There were also the 200,000 "pragmatic" FL Democrats who voted for Bush... Scootaloo Dec 2015 #13

Excellent. Pragmatism isn't a worthy end goal! artislife Dec 2015 #41

I think when Bernie endorses her and campaigns for her it will go a long way towards preventing DanTex Dec 2015 #7

+1 Perfect. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #10

Right. Bernie isn't Nader, and most of his supporters Hortensis Dec 2015 #75

Voting for Hillary in the primary will make everything worse. Broward Dec 2015 #8

I fear you are correct. nt. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #28

I agree. My take on the OP is we need to ensure Bernie wins the primary nomination! peacebird Dec 2015 #76

Still waiting for a Clinton pledge to not run as an independent, should she lose Scootaloo Dec 2015 #11

unlike bernie, hillary has never been an independent nt msongs Dec 2015 #21

Also unlike Bernie, Clinton has never pledged to not split the ticket. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #26

For Joe party loyalty (pffft) was a ruse to be inside the tent where he could do the most damage. GoneFishin Dec 2015 #85

If she would run as a Republican INdemo Dec 2015 #93

I suspect most will come to their senses by election day. DCBob Dec 2015 #12

Hopefully they'll come to their senses by primary election day and go with Bernie. eom Fawke Em Dec 2015 #64

"I recall spending the night before the election drinking in a P.F. Chang�s . . " Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #16

Only if they are nursing a pit bull. Kalidurga Dec 2015 #65

If Hillary is nominated and loses, that's on her and DWS. CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #17

We can certainly try to blame Karma13612 Dec 2015 #31

Obama won in spite of the PUMAs. If Hillary gets the nod & can't win the general, that's on her. AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #46

If she wins the primaries, it would be foolish not to support her Matariki Dec 2015 #18

The time to have this discussion is after the primary. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #19

After at least one Paulie Dec 2015 #20

After we have a nominee. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #23

Some people have been trying to fast forward past the primaries for a year, now. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #70

They want a coronation, not a primary. eom Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #116

I am one of thsoe who think Clinton is gong to win. I think the vote in the General Election Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #135

Bernie gets my primary vote, but I will vote in the General for whomever wins the Dem primary. woodsprite Dec 2015 #25

Thank you for giving the response they were going for artislife Dec 2015 #39

But, Hillary has such a huge support base, why would it even matter if we, Bernie supporters, litlbilly Dec 2015 #30

The left of the party is never wanted until the right wing of the party needs a scapegoat Scootaloo Dec 2015 #42

Bingo!!! tazkcmo Dec 2015 #112

If Clinton and DWS and the cornation committe don't care about the Millennials, Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #117

Is this the 5276th post on this topic, or the 5277th? kath Dec 2015 #32

just on du, or at the Sanders hate site? Doctor_J Dec 2015 #36

Applegrove ... Trajan Dec 2015 #33

So I cannot talk about issues involved in this nomination race without it becoming personal? This is applegrove Dec 2015 #35

The establishment has spoken. NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #34

The whole point of the article is that Republicans win if we, at a basic level, don't stick together applegrove Dec 2015 #37

Sticking together works both ways pengu Dec 2015 #105

This assumes she wins the nomination. nt artislife Dec 2015 #38

One more thing on this doomed thread. If Hillary wins the nomination and somehow the presidency, litlbilly Dec 2015 #43

That pretty much sums it up for me. n/t Hepburn Dec 2015 #124

I will vote for the person I choose to vote for in the Democratic Primary Aerows Dec 2015 #44

The point of the article is to vote for the person in the general election who is a democrat. It is applegrove Dec 2015 #48

No offense, but once again Aerows Dec 2015 #49

I don't want the GOP to wedge us apart from each other come election time. applegrove Dec 2015 #54

Then stop supporting lousy candidates ibegurpard Dec 2015 #56

LOL Fawke Em Dec 2015 #66

She can't really support any American candidate, beyond words on a message board... demmiblue Dec 2015 #110

Dems like Clinton that have wedged us apart already pengu Dec 2015 #88

Ummm... us? I find this rather bizarre. demmiblue Dec 2015 #109

The point is tazkcmo Dec 2015 #113

Another attempt at hostage taking...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Indepatriot Dec 2015 #45

It was Al Gore's fault why he lost the 2000 election. gordyfl Dec 2015 #47

It's all those Bernie supporters' fault that Hillary polls worse in the general election? jfern Dec 2015 #50

The DNC could blow this entire election by trying to force HRC down our throats. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #51

Bingo. AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #53

Well said n/t MissDeeds Dec 2015 #99

Spot on. Funny how only one side has responsability, the other indemnity. eom Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #118

A new poll found that Bernie Sanders beats every top Republican gordyfl Dec 2015 #52

k&r Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #55

Nominating The Wrong Candidate... CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #57

I'm going to vote for our nominee in the... one_voice Dec 2015 #58

once again the old meme appears, just like clockwork.... mike_c Dec 2015 #59

Only in the minds of Republicans is Democrats voting for their nominee in the General Election applegrove Dec 2015 #60

No, DINOs share that frame of mind. n/t Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #119

OMG, please STOP shoving her down our throats. We will vote for her if she earns our votes. reformist2 Dec 2015 #61

Let me start with this reason Aerows Dec 2015 #62

That's an excellent reason to be for Bernie. But what happens applegrove Dec 2015 #68

I guess the DNC should stop foisting Republican-Lite candidates on us, then. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #63

And when are they going to accept that the 90-ies are over? Like, never coming back? Ever? eom Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #121

Worried? Kalidurga Dec 2015 #67

If Hillary is the candidate and loses it will be her fault Armstead Dec 2015 #69

dead car batteries, chipped tooth enamel, floorboards with dry rot, melted halloween candy, Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #71

So stupid. joshcryer Dec 2015 #72

1% is a huge amount in a Presidential race. applegrove Dec 2015 #73

0.36% went Green in 2012. joshcryer Dec 2015 #74

Dr Jill Stein may not be "new" & "charismatic" but she represents my views to a T RiverLover Dec 2015 #86

But she won't be a relevant challenger to the Democrats. joshcryer Dec 2015 #90

True that. RiverLover Dec 2015 #91

I was speaking solely of vote percentage. joshcryer Dec 2015 #92

Third way mentality, lesser of two evils, are all ploys to cajole people, Donald & Hillary are orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #77

The Lesser of Two Evils gordyfl Dec 2015 #95

I'm no Ralph fan , But Great example !!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #147

teamwork reddread Dec 2015 #151

many of us DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #78

Nominate Bernie then. Problem solved. CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #80

I've not yet seen any Hillary supporter say they would not vote for Bernie if he won. I have seen applegrove Dec 2015 #141

This is why it is critical she not win the primary pengu Dec 2015 #81

And the lesson from 2010 / 2014: Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #122

And what was Obama if not "establishment"? Arkana Dec 2015 #144

My not voting for hillary has nothing to do with my support for bernie bowens43 Dec 2015 #82

+1 RiverLover Dec 2015 #87

Guess you need a better candidate then. Katashi_itto Dec 2015 #83

Ever More Loathsome Fear Mongering And Obfuscation cantbeserious Dec 2015 #89

It's more arrogance and entitlement pengu Dec 2015 #101

Roger That cantbeserious Dec 2015 #111

It's Accepted Fact gordyfl Dec 2015 #94

The "Bernie or Bust" types flatter themselves ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #96

Talk about petty. That looks more like a selfie Armstead Dec 2015 #123

Congrats -- you are one of the main posters on the DU who has turned me against HRC Hepburn Dec 2015 #127

Contrats and a tip-of-the-hat to yourself as well! It certainly takes a special kind of person ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #132

The PUMAs in 2008 tried to make themselves look bigger too. Arkana Dec 2015 #145

That's before my time ... someone had to explain PUMA to me. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #146

Money in Politics - Things Haven't Changed Much gordyfl Dec 2015 #97

It won't matter in my state bigwillq Dec 2015 #98

Jersey a Dem State, also. gordyfl Dec 2015 #100

Who could also blow this election: RW Dems who cross party lines to vote Republican. merrily Dec 2015 #102

Because we run them as candidates? pengu Dec 2015 #103

This is not a reply to the OP, but I still think it's both a thread win and a DUzy. merrily Dec 2015 #106

Let me add some meat my snarky bones then pengu Dec 2015 #128

I love your "snarky bones!" Bookmarking. Small wonder they have no use for a candidate trying to merrily Dec 2015 #133

Wow! That was an interesting post. gordyfl Dec 2015 #136

Lieberman is a special kind of awful pengu Dec 2015 #138

Victory for Joe Lieberman gordyfl Dec 2015 #139

We got community health centers - thanks to Sanders pengu Dec 2015 #140

Straight fire. frylock Dec 2015 #148

I'm a dailykos 5 refugee pengu Dec 2015 #150

True that. And welcome! nt raouldukelives Dec 2015 #153

You're right, there are a lot of RW Dems in FL. gordyfl Dec 2015 #120

*yawn* I refuse to speculate until AFTER the primary. Thanks, anyway. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #104

+1 and screw McCarthyites in all their shape-shifting forms anyway. merrily Dec 2015 #108

In other words: vote for the lesser of two evils or else. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #114

I don't take any of those threats seriously. MoonRiver Dec 2015 #115

Hillary supporters could blow this election... Chan790 Dec 2015 #125

One more fucking time. 99Forever Dec 2015 #126

Take the Hillary Pledge gordyfl Dec 2015 #129

Hillary can't win a general election AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #130

But they won't.... brooklynite Dec 2015 #131

The "Not as Bad" ploy is long past it's due date. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #134

Democrats Should "Stick Together" Like... gordyfl Dec 2015 #137

There are a lot of people who believe the lie Ralph Nader foisted on us in 2000. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #142

If Democrats lose, it's their own damned fault. frylock Dec 2015 #149

damn straight blueman mmxvi Dec 2015 #143

Well, if it's common knowlege that she'll lose in the GE- why is she running? notadmblnd Dec 2015 #152