2016 Postmortem

Babel_17

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5. Chomsky does bore down. Good link, thanks!

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:28 PM

Dec 2015

The prime target of condemnation in the labor press was what they called “The New Spirit of the Age: Gain Wealth, Forgetting All But Self.” No efforts have been spared since then to drive this spirit into people's heads. People must come to believe that suffering and deprivation result from the failure of individuals, not the reigning socioeconomic system. There are huge industries devoted to this task. About one-sixth of the entire US economy is devoted to what's called "marketing," which is mostly propaganda. Advertising is described by analysts and the business literature as a process of fabricating wants – a campaign to drive people to the superficial things in life, like fashionable consumption, so that they will remain passive and obedient.

An important point, imo.

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"Everyone now is more or less a Socialist" [View all] Babel_17 Dec 2015 OP

Socialist Democrats... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #1

As a Sanders Supporter, I agree. Socialist Democrats would be more acceptable. I think it libdem4life Dec 2015 #3

It gets a bit hard to follow the distinctions in nomenclature Babel_17 Dec 2015 #4

No its quite simple VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #6

Linguistics is culture...a noun is different than an adjective used to delineate a noun. We start libdem4life Dec 2015 #7

Ooh, nice burn! Babel_17 Dec 2015 #10

Nope VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #11

And VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #12

Consider yourself schooled VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #13

Copy-pasting wikipedia isn't exactly "schooling" someone Scootaloo Dec 2015 #29

Hahahahaha... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #53

Can you make a multi-paragraph argument without copy-pasting Wikipedia? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #72

Are you President of DU now? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #73

Who cares about Norway or Sweden. They don't get a vote here. I'm ignoring your libdem4life Dec 2015 #68

Apparently Bernie Sanders does... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #74

What is fascinating, if you'll look back, I agreed with you. From there on it was parsing libdem4life Dec 2015 #78

Its not about how the word hurts him VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #79

There are more tendencies within socialist philosophies than just Marxism. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #30

Yes. But can you imagine getting any of this across to an Iowa farmer? libdem4life Dec 2015 #71

You do make a fair point. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #76

Who makes up your definitions? immoderate Dec 2015 #8

:) Babel_17 Dec 2015 #9

Wrong.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #14

Wrong VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #16

OK, but where does my quote suggest different? Babel_17 Dec 2015 #17

This is Democratic Underground VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #19

I think the media will get to all of that Babel_17 Dec 2015 #22

Pretty sure they have consolidated on a candidate now... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #23

You're wasting your time Scootaloo Dec 2015 #33

Who makes mine? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #15

Am I not one of them? immoderate Dec 2015 #31

Wrong as always AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #48

Bullfucking shit... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #58

Chomsky... Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #2

Chomsky does bore down. Good link, thanks! Babel_17 Dec 2015 #5

If the Republicans yell "Sanders is a self-identified Socialist"... brooklynite Dec 2015 #18

He's like Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt, and Ike, and Babel_17 Dec 2015 #21

Like Lincoln? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #24

What Thou Formulate? Babel_17 Dec 2015 #25

Shakes head... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #26

No, I'm referring to my OP, "the history of progressivism" Babel_17 Dec 2015 #27

You are fighting a losing battle here, Babel. DU'ers who support HRC have nothing to add to the mother earth Dec 2015 #80

He's MLK, Jesus, and the Pope all rolled into one MaggieD Dec 2015 #38

Wine? PARTY!!! floriduck Dec 2015 #77

This is offensive. liberalnarb Dec 2015 #81

Guess that integrity schtick is blown all to hell now! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #82

"yes he is (you lose)" - how, exactly, is that losing? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #34

Pretending that he was always a Democrat for one! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #83

Poll: Most Americans unwilling to vote for a socialist brooklynite Dec 2015 #85

Do you have any argument or opinion that doesn't come from a poll? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #86

Why would we lose? liberalnarb Dec 2015 #84

K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #20

Some more context Babel_17 Dec 2015 #28

Do they oppose ALL Capitalism? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #55

There was an article at The Washington Post that highlights where we are Babel_17 Dec 2015 #32

And yet the terms poll so poorly Gothmog Dec 2015 #35

Yeah, there's something to that Babel_17 Dec 2015 #36

The people are smarter than you give them credit for. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #56

. Babel_17 Dec 2015 #61

Sanders' own campaign manager does not think that Sanders will be the nominee Gothmog Dec 2015 #70

If socialism is so great.... MaggieD Dec 2015 #37

Labor existed before money Babel_17 Dec 2015 #39

Nobody gets paid without capital - that is a fact MaggieD Dec 2015 #40

I'm working for love! Babel_17 Dec 2015 #41

Is that the plan? MaggieD Dec 2015 #42

lol, so you got the point about labor? Babel_17 Dec 2015 #43

No, I think you are living in fantasy land MaggieD Dec 2015 #44

. Babel_17 Dec 2015 #45

Her supporters now push supply side AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #49

They are Socialist Democrats.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #51

Could you be even less relevant? AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #52

Less relevent? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #54

Your posts of late have reverted into little more than AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #57

Damn skippy bye... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #60

Working for love, in all the wrong places Babel_17 Dec 2015 #46

"The point here is not to defend socialism" Babel_17 Dec 2015 #47

Socialist object to and oppose Capitalism VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #50

The history of the Progressive movement suggests otherwise Babel_17 Dec 2015 #59

They split on Capitalism years ago.. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #62

Not sure what you're replying to Babel_17 Dec 2015 #63

This is Democratic Underground VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #64

Not sure what you're replying to Babel_17 Dec 2015 #65

Yes you do... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #66

lol. You don't actually reply to what I'm saying Babel_17 Dec 2015 #67

some great posts of yours on this thread Vanilla Rhapsody redstateblues Dec 2015 #69

Exactly right... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #75