2016 Postmortem

kristopher

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9. Not until you show a 50%+ favorable in the total electorate

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:35 AM

Dec 2015

it's always been acknowledged that she is ahead of Bernie in the primary, but a significant reason for a lot of us to support him is that, based on her national 'unfavorables' and 'unlikeables' and 'doesn't share my values' numbers, we don't believe she has a hope in hell of winning the general.

The FACT that Hillary's supporters are unable to honestly and directly address that concern contributes greatly to our unease. The only reply that even makes an attempt at a reasonable response (unlike this straw man OP) is when someone claims that Bernie hasn't experienced the Republican attack machine yet.

That is acknowledged to be true, but our rejection of the validity of the argument as it goes to electability is based on both the broad appeal of Sander's platform and his extensive history of integrity.

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Poll: Clinton expands favorability lead over Sanders. [View all] JaneyVee Dec 2015 OP

But, we keep hearing that Democrats just don't like her. leftofcool Dec 2015 #1

They were out in full force yesterday for sure still_one Dec 2015 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #18

Well, and for 14%, that appears to be true. Of course, that number could go up. Bubzer Dec 2015 #33

So sayeth the DU bubble.. fortunately the polls in RL are saying differently. Cha Dec 2015 #48

Well, her supporters are vastly more invested in hating Sanders than liking her. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #76

DU rec... SidDithers Dec 2015 #2

Its incoming workinclasszero Dec 2015 #34

Pop! There goes the low favorability myth upaloopa Dec 2015 #3

And her favorables will go even higher once... JaneyVee Dec 2015 #4

Not until you show a 50%+ favorable in the total electorate kristopher Dec 2015 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #19

I'd much, much rather Bernie select a couple of non-corporate members, thank you anyway. kristopher Dec 2015 #24

^^^this^^^ ViseGrip Dec 2015 #65

And she'll look for whoever the republicans like the most, for a fast approval Scootaloo Dec 2015 #77

Can we, at least put the part about ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #10

The path to victory includes those who don't necessarily lean your party's way. thesquanderer Dec 2015 #42

apparently you have a listening problem ibegurpard Dec 2015 #44

K&R mcar Dec 2015 #6

K & R Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #7

So that's, Hillary: +58 ... Bernie: +37 (Fifty-eight is *more* than thirty-seven, right?) NurseJackie Dec 2015 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #17

It's unclear what's confusing to you. My only suggestion would be to read the article, then ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #29

LOL. Here's something that's actually REAL, and interesting: Hortensis Dec 2015 #35

The sliver lining for Sanders supporters is... thesquanderer Dec 2015 #40

Anything is possible, I suppose. But I wonder what's likely to happen. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #43

Assume "the newly formed opinions be split in similar proportions to what we're observing now" thesquanderer Dec 2015 #60

Thanks. (nt) NurseJackie Dec 2015 #63

And another myth bites the dust MaggieD Dec 2015 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #16

Exactly like the GOP base/TPers. I'm struck by it constantly. Hortensis Dec 2015 #36

Yep. I have mentioned that many times on FB MaggieD Dec 2015 #45

You're all going to be blindsided. retrowire Dec 2015 #12

all i will say Robbins Dec 2015 #21

NAH--these voting Democrats do not live in bubble. riversedge Dec 2015 #28

That's exactly right MaggieD Dec 2015 #49

And you're all going to have heart bern. Metric System Dec 2015 #30

She's doing a great job of winning over the hearts and minds of the Democratic family. Alfresco Dec 2015 #13

Yeah, all 600 of them at her big rally in Orlando! Fuddnik Dec 2015 #20

I'm glad you agree with me. Alfresco Dec 2015 #23

Actually all... PosterChild Dec 2015 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #14

Hillary's favorability increased over ALL gender and Hortensis Dec 2015 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #22

Like your name. These days, I do too. Hortensis Dec 2015 #32

Looks like Correct the Record UglyGreed Dec 2015 #25

Always humerous to see people.. Kentonio Dec 2015 #26

I'm not only not having sleepless nights now Hortensis Dec 2015 #38

However, cannabis_flower Dec 2015 #27

Pehaps they will never pay attention to Bernie CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #37

That suggests to me that they just don't care one way or the other ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #41

Well said MaggieD Dec 2015 #52

I'm so reminded here that BS is the internet and social media sensation, therefore, Iliyah Dec 2015 #58

Yawn. blackspade Dec 2015 #31

And of course, we have never seen on this board.... CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #50

Ah, the old "emotional" vs "logical" canard. blackspade Dec 2015 #69

I don't know how old it is - I'm new to the board - but it is obvious CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #74

As a southerner, I find your characterization laughable. blackspade Dec 2015 #75

You obviously don't live in Alabama, or your friends are very different than mine CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #78

The party's been leaking membership ever since they moved away from their FDR populist ideals....... raindaddy Dec 2015 #39

I'm glad I don't live in your alternate universe. yallerdawg Dec 2015 #57

I'm not sure what universe you occupy, but in the real world..... raindaddy Dec 2015 #73

The party has been leaking membership since wildeyed Dec 2015 #79

I agree it's going to take more than just a single politician... raindaddy Dec 2015 #80

Her favorability ratings with Democrats have never been in dispute ibegurpard Dec 2015 #46

It's a well known fact SmittynMo Dec 2015 #47

You are accusing the seminal poster of being untruthful. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #53

I never accused anyone SmittynMo Dec 2015 #59

Good! That ought to piss of the right people. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #51

you mean the majority of the voting public? ibegurpard Dec 2015 #54

Yet she leads all her opponents. Good luck with your candidate. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #56

I don't have an unfavorable opinion towards either ffr Dec 2015 #55

Thank you so much for your positive response! Iliyah Dec 2015 #61

How are her overall (both parties) favorability ratings in the battleground states? fbc Dec 2015 #62

There are more than 2 parties ibegurpard Dec 2015 #64

Do they send delagates? ismnotwasm Dec 2015 #67

apparently you are making the common mistake ibegurpard Dec 2015 #70

What? ismnotwasm Dec 2015 #71

I wasn't clear? ibegurpard Dec 2015 #72

Democrats do like her ismnotwasm Dec 2015 #66

GOooooo Hillary!!!!!!!!! moobu2 Dec 2015 #81