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In reply to the discussion: If you're reduced to complaining about a temp tribute in a logo... [View all]LostOne4Ever
(9,768 posts)309. Again, please read the articles in full
[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]The specifically mention rape, and solely rape, as well as categorizing them as aversive fantasies.
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201508/why-do-women-have-rape-fantasies
Researchers at Notre Dame and the University of North Texas gave standard psychological tests to 355 women undergraduates, who formed a reasonable demographic cross-section of young Americans. Then the researchers surveyed the womens sexual fantasies. And finally the women were asked if theyd ever fantasized:
1. Being forced by a man to surrender sexually against my will.
2. Being forced by a woman to surrender sexually against my will.
3. Being forced into a sex against my will because I was incapacitated by drugs, alcohol, or being unconscious.
4. Being forced by a man to give him oral sex.
5. Being forced by a woman to give her oral sex.
6. Being forced to have anal sex.
7. Being raped by a man.
8. Being raped by a woman.
Note: The researchers did not define forced or rape, leaving participants to use their own understanding of these terms, forced having somewhat less negative connotations than rape.
1. Being forced by a man to surrender sexually against my will.
2. Being forced by a woman to surrender sexually against my will.
3. Being forced into a sex against my will because I was incapacitated by drugs, alcohol, or being unconscious.
4. Being forced by a man to give him oral sex.
5. Being forced by a woman to give her oral sex.
6. Being forced to have anal sex.
7. Being raped by a man.
8. Being raped by a woman.
Note: The researchers did not define forced or rape, leaving participants to use their own understanding of these terms, forced having somewhat less negative connotations than rape.
The Results
Confirming earlier studies on the prevalence of rape fantasies, 62 percent of participants admitted fantasizing at least one of the eight scenarios:
Forced by a man: 52%.
Raped by a man: 32%.
Forced oral by a man: 28%.
Forced while incapacitated: 24%.
Forced by a woman: 17%.
Forced anal: 16%.
Raped by a woman: 9%.
Forced oral by a woman: 9%.
Note: The participants were considerably more likely to fantasize being forced than raped, presumably because rape carries more connotations of violence and harm.
The high prevalence of rape fantasiesalmost two-thirds of the womensuggest that they play a significant role in the fantasy lives of college-age women ... and presumably many older women as well.
Meanwhile, in line with other assessments, 15 percent of study participants reported being survivors of sexual assault. The researchers found no relationship, either direct or inverse, between real-life rape and whether participants had any type of rape fantasy.
Confirming earlier studies on the prevalence of rape fantasies, 62 percent of participants admitted fantasizing at least one of the eight scenarios:
Forced by a man: 52%.
Raped by a man: 32%.
Forced oral by a man: 28%.
Forced while incapacitated: 24%.
Forced by a woman: 17%.
Forced anal: 16%.
Raped by a woman: 9%.
Forced oral by a woman: 9%.
Note: The participants were considerably more likely to fantasize being forced than raped, presumably because rape carries more connotations of violence and harm.
The high prevalence of rape fantasiesalmost two-thirds of the womensuggest that they play a significant role in the fantasy lives of college-age women ... and presumably many older women as well.
Meanwhile, in line with other assessments, 15 percent of study participants reported being survivors of sexual assault. The researchers found no relationship, either direct or inverse, between real-life rape and whether participants had any type of rape fantasy.
Decades ago, psychologists believed that dreams and fantasies (daydreams) were subconscious wishes, therefore, women who had rape fantasies actually wanted to be coerced into sex. That view has been thoroughly debunked. Fantasies dont necessarily reflect wishes. Among those in long-term relationships, one of the most common fantasies is sex with someone else, even when the daydreamer is happy in the relationship and has no real desire to jump into another bed. Plenty of men fantasize saving damsels in distress without the slightest real wish to face a raging fire on the 23rd floor. Wishing plays a role in some fantasies, notably dreams of striking it rich or losing weight, but having an erotic fantasy in no way means you want it to come true.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201001/womens-rape-fantasies-how-common-what-do-they-mean
Sixty-two percent said they'd had at least one such fantasy. But responses varied depending on the terminology used. When asked about being "overpowered by a man," 52 percent said they'd had that fantasy, the situation most typically depicted in women's romance fiction. But when the term was "rape," only 32 percent said they'd had the fantasy. These findings are in the same ballpark as previous reports.
Rape fantasies can be either erotic or aversive. In erotic fantasies, the woman thinks: "I'm being forced and I enjoy it." In aversive fantasies, she thinks: "I'm being forced and I hate it." Forty-five-percent of the women in the recent survey had fantasies that were entirely erotic. Nine percent were entirely aversive. And 46 percent were mixed.
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Did you skip over the sentence in the article where it said that it was an attempt at dark satire?
Fantastic Anarchist
Dec 2015
#213
No, I must admit, I haven't ... but again, he claims it was satire, so ...?
Fantastic Anarchist
Dec 2015
#299
That's the classic disclaimer, "I wasn't serious", "I was only joking", "it was satire".....
George II
Dec 2015
#324
And we probably shouldn't get into the story of what happened when HRC defended an alleged rapist
kath
Dec 2015
#251
And he can explain it like he already has, and state that it was a poor attempt at satire.
Fantastic Anarchist
Dec 2015
#222
Again, you're misinterpreting the thing, I have to believe deliberately.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2015
#24
That's not even an answer. That's phoning it in. I get it, context/nuance are, like, hard.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2015
#26
If that grosses you out, don't google the candidate's name and "cervical cancer."
MADem
Dec 2015
#28
I did add another to the long list of smears, it's getting rather unwieldy.
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#278
Why? Even Bernie's spox said his essay "looks as stupid today as it was then."
SunSeeker
Dec 2015
#118
I think it's silly that you keep doing what you insist you have a problem with
Scootaloo
Dec 2015
#21
Oh please, I don't know any intelligent adult woman who is upset by that essay.
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#32
Intelligent adults understand it was an essay about gender stereotypes.
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#38
I'm starting to think some people only understand information in sound-bite sized chunks.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2015
#39
Must be all those years reading the tabloids and watching the boob tube.
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#40
But now it's a CONSPIRASEE!!! Don't you understand? DU won't let anyone talk about it!
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#49
The fact is that the article you referenced has been discussed in hundreds of posts without hides.
morningfog
Dec 2015
#73
Your post was hidden because you said Bernie "thinks women enjoy being raped".
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#79
Yes I read it and thats a lie. Link to Hillary being called a "whore" daily?
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#84
Link to Hillary being called a"whore" daily? Do you want everyone to think you're lying?
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#89
"use of the word w**** "? Seriously? That's the 4th failed alert on my posts tonight.
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#265
Do you really not understand the difference between consensual sex/fantasies and rape?
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#90
So you don't understand the difference between consensual sex/fantasies and rape?
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#101
Pick one, either you lied about the essay or you don't know the difference.
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#103
Very good, now why did you confuse rape and fantasy when you posted this?:
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#105
Why are you lying about my posts? And why did you say "Bernie thinks women enjoy being raped"?
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#107
Women don't "enjoy" fantasizing about rape. Bernie's essay suggests they do. That is OFFENSIVE.
SunSeeker
Dec 2015
#121
Are you really that naive? Women do fantacize about it, and they write about it too.
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#123
OMG. I can't believe I am having this conversation on a progessive board...with an adult.
SunSeeker
Dec 2015
#124
I'm not suggesting it, I'm stating it as a fact, women do fantasize about it.
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#196
You're trying to tell me that you know what other women fantasize about?
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#206
It cites specifically and solely mentioning rape to women. Read both articles in full
LostOne4Ever
Dec 2015
#307
Yep, thanks for showing the thought police they're out of their league!
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#246
People just don't seem to be able to think outside their little middle-America box..
opiate69
Dec 2015
#247
Women who are voluntarily involved in the BDSM community are engaged in consensual acts.
SunSeeker
Dec 2015
#232
If you claim those "abductions" are not in fact consensual, then you are describing a crime. nt
SunSeeker
Dec 2015
#240
Could be. Is there something wrong with fantasizing about those things?
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#318
Yes. Am I the only Baby Boomer here who's read Nancy Friday's "My Secret Garden", about women's
kath
Dec 2015
#259
I haven't read it but come on, who hasn't heard of 50 Shades of Grey?
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#261
I assume you are fantasizing about having sex with someone you want to have sex with.
SunSeeker
Dec 2015
#178
Where did Bernie write about women "being dominated by men they find repulsive"?
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#182
Yes you are, women do fantasize about rape, you seem to be the only one who doesn't know that.
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#212
Google it, the internet is full of rape fantasies written by women.
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#226
Where did I call you a liar? I asked if you were lying when you posted this:
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#116
It's true! The jury system is rigged! Bernie Underground DOES exist!
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#117
Gah, do you not understand the difference between sexual FANTASIES and what someone would actually
kath
Dec 2015
#258
Oh, the founder of that cesspool Hillary Cave site. Yeah, he's a real fine trustworthy, upstanding
kath
Dec 2015
#283
What did I just say? It's not my place to discuss what goes on in MIRT.
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#209
If you have questions about how MIRT functions ask admin in ATA or by pm.
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#216
Nope! But that doesn't stop people from pretending they're victims of the system.
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#315
Seems some folk aren't quite as concerned about confidentiality IRT MIRT anymore...
opiate69
Dec 2015
#325
I think what is rather obvious is that you didn't understand the essay. nt
Live and Learn
Dec 2015
#264
For the same reason posts calling Hillary a "murderer" are rightfully hidden.
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#286
Oh please, who do you think started this crap about him advocating rape?
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#289
It got hidden 7-0 for claiming Bernie "thinks women enjoy being raped".
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#127
You mean the one where that poster accused another member of condoning rape?
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#139
Nope, they were accusing someone of condoning rape: "Rapey is a-okey?"
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#149
It was about gender stereotypes, not rape. How can you not understand that?
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#184
So even though you know what his intent was, you're still hung up on the rape fantasy?
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#187
I don't know what Bernie's actual intent was, I can only go by the words in his essay.
SunSeeker
Dec 2015
#190
see Nancy Friday's book about women's sexual fantasies, "My Secret Garden".Entire chapter about rape
kath
Dec 2015
#260
Those are not rape fantasies. These are scenarios the women desire to happen. That is not rape.
SunSeeker
Dec 2015
#306
I've been attacked, you don't have the right to accuse me of not knowing the difference.
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#351
Yes, they are. Fantasies can be both, something you want to happen or something you just think about
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#317
Sure, whatever you say, it's all a conspiracy, except when it's not.
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#175
It's not the logo, actually the logo is cool. It's the hypocrisy of the thought police.
Bread and Circus
Dec 2015
#193