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MrWendel

(1,881 posts)
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 01:11 AM Dec 2015

Clinton Will Make a Better President Because She IS THE Better Candidate. [View all]

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http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/12/5/1457319/-The-Revolution-Will-Not-be-Televised-Why-Clinton-Will-Make-a-Better-President

By Gaius Septimus

I will begin with a point that many here have made already. In order to win the nomination, Bernard Sanders will have to win the support of many many Hillary Clinton supporters. At least based on the latest round of polling, he is failing to do that. If the response to this from some quarters will be that Obama did it in 2007 or that no votes have been cast yet, I will agree with you.

At the same time, I will argue, Sanders is not a great candidate. I will not discuss individual failings or missed opportunities. I would like to just step back and look at the bigger picture. The bigger picture is that his message and his campaign are not breaking through. This despite the fact that he has offered the most populist rhetoric in recent memory and the most left-leaning platform since at least George McGovern. The first test here is to win a friendly audience. The Democratic Party at large is a friendly audience. It is the friendliest audience Sanders is likely to have from here on out. That should be obvious to anyone. So, if he is failing to win here, the task of winning the general election would frankly be insurmountable. Because the national audience will not be as friendly or as partial to his platform.

For those of you who still remember, it must have been thrilling to see Walter Mondale in 1984 come out and say, “I will raise your taxes. President Reagan will raise your taxes. The difference between us is that he will never tell you. I already did.” Mondale was a great and honest public servant. A liberal at heart, supporter of women’s rights (he nominated Geraldine Ferraro as his VP pick — the first woman on a major party's ticket). If you have the time, read his memoir, The Good Fight: A Life in Liberal Politics. It is quite a read, from one of the most honest and consistent public figures of our recent history. But then came Election Night, and Reagan won everything except Minnesota and DC. The point of this history lesson is this — good platforms do not speak for themselves. They require a good speaker and a good politician. Based on his performance so far, Sanders is neither. Yes, the platform is good. And yes, the candidate falls short.

In contrast, Hillary Clinton, at least based on polling, has continued to solidify her support within the Democratic Party and, even by Quinnipiac Poll standards is now better positioned against all the GOP candidates than she was even recently. More telling is the fact that she vastly outperforms Sanders among Democrats on virtually every issue. In my book, that makes her the better candidate — she is managing to convince more people. It is that simple.

Bernard Sanders did not discover the problem that large numbers of people do not vote and that this is mostly a problem for Democrats, especially in midterm elections. This is something that has been pointed out numerous times. The revolution Sanders is talking about is bringing out non-voters to the polls, empowering them, while at the same time propelling more Democrats into office and thus giving a mandate and Congressional voting majorities for a Democratic agenda. Sounds extremely good. I am convinced. I am on fire. But how does Sanders propose to do this? How? What I hear when I listen to him and what I see when I read diaries written by his supporters on this website, I the following answer to this: he proposes to do this by talking to people about problems that matter to them, by taking positions that make them enthusiastic to support him and therefore more likely to come out and vote for him. Based on the polling, he is not very effective in this tactic. But then, on the other hand, this is a sort of a non-response on his part. This is the same platitude about voting that candidates of both parties have spouted for years. Revolution? Not. Apart from other separate issues such as Citizens United (he wants it overturned), or the gutting of the Voting Rights Act by the Supreme Court (he wants that decision overturned too), Sanders’ propositions on how to achieve this so-called revolution are piecemeal and not especially imaginative. You can read about them here, on the website created for him by his supporters.

That Sanders has built his entire campaign on this premise of revolution but does not, in fact, offer much in the way of achieving this goal, speaks volumes to me. By contrast, California Governor Brown recently signed into law the automatic registration of CA voters for election. That seems way more revolutionary to me.

But more troublesome for Sanders is how he has proposed to break the gridlock in DC. Bring masses of people in outspoken protest and demonstrate to Congress that his policies are the will of the people. Lest we forget, in the wake of the 2008 financial meltdown the anger at Wall Street boiled over. Remember Occupy Wall Street? The point I want to make here is this — Occupy Wall Street may have had a limited success in some ways, mostly as a propaganda vehicle that furthered negative attitudes about corporate greed and highlighted the plight of ordinary Americans that resulted from the 2008 fiasco. But… the larger point here is this. First. If Occupy was in some sense a preview of Sanders’ proposed revolution and method of governing… do you want this type of thing all the time? Secondly. Can Sanders hope to mobilize even that amount of people, or something similar, and keep that level of involvement throughout his presidency? Lastly, what did Occupy Wall Street achieve, legislatively speaking? You and I both know they had demands, petitions, etc. What part of that ever translated into law? If you are scratching your head, frankly, so am I. And Sanders hopes that a similar phenomenon, if he becomes president, will help him govern? I am skeptical, to say the least.

Hillary Clinton is also talking about the issues she thinks connect her to voters. Her agenda on jobs and taxes, on the proposed infrastructure upgrade strike home to middle class Americans. She has taken stand after stand for voting rights, including a major speech in Alabama where she demanded Alabama revise the closure of DMV offices in predominantly black counties. She has been most systematic in addressing both Black Lives Matter and a larger campaign for racial justice. She has been outspoken about Citizens United and the Voting Rights Act as well. Does she have a Super PAC? You bet! Because like it or not this is how you win elections in America. Obama got similar support in 2008 and 2012. Being pure and unsullied of corporate donations may sound very well on paper. But when the attack ads start coming and the other side mobilizes a veritable army for the final push in the “ground game” you better have an answer and be prepared. Purity is nice. Unfortunately, it does not win elections. Realism does. To the extent that Hillary Clinton realizes this and is doing everything in her power to win, she has a clearer vision, unobscured by the demands of ideological purity. I like her agenda. And I like what she is doing to make sure she actually wins and is in a position to implement that agenda.

Finally, Bernard Sanders has proudly enunciated an uncompromising anti-corporate stance. Judging from the bulk of diaries published on this site by his supporters, this is one of the main sources of his strength, the wellspring of his entire movement, the raison d’etre of his very candidacy. So perhaps I should have started with this. But I am leaving it for the end for a very good reason. I believe if Sanders actually believes what he is saying in this context, if he actually intends to implement it, then, forgive me but his stance is both unrealistic and, in a broader sense, inefficient. Sanders’ supporters often like to make comparisons between the US and other developed countries and find the US lacking in many respects. Sanders himself began one of his responses during the first Democratic debate with “In Denmark...” However, in the countries which are held up as examples for the rest of us, that better state of affairs did not come about as a result of either a revolution or some sort of corporate-smashing policies adopted by those governments. We are seeing in those European countries a present state of affairs that is the result of a long and painful process of negotiation between government and business… it is the result of mutual agreement. So I am really wary of a candidate who has adopted such a stringent anti-corporate logic and rhetoric and of a mass of supporters who keep saying how they would like nothing better than to “take the hammer” to Wall Street. Because that is even more “socialist” than what we see even in the most left of the socialist countries in Europe, like Finland or that selfsame Denmark.

And so. Hillary Clinton will make a far better president in this sense. Yes, her platform is progressive. Yes, she wants to raise the minimum wage. And yes, she has spoken out repeatedly against corporate greed and corporate crime. But guess what, she also spoke several times about representing “all of New York," including Wall Street in the Senate. She has a progressive agenda while being attuned to the interests of corporations. That is a far better and more realistic stand than empty bombastic rhetoric. Do you know what is seen as the most efficient solution to reducing carbon emissions? It is some version of Cap-and-Trade, which boils down to making carbon emitters pay for the pollution they cause. Do you know why even scientists and environmental leaders believe that is a good solution? Because it co opts businesses, it translates the problem into language they can understand — the language of costs. Of course, most businesses will not do that voluntarily. But, my point is, the solution includes and co opts these corporations, it does not take the hammer to them or destroy them. The Affordable Care Act is another example. Yes, single payer would have been better. But ACA reduced risks for the insurance industry by requiring all insurance companies to insure less healthy people. If you think ANY form of ACA would have passed without some insurance company support, you are really delusional. So here again, an improvement was achieved by coopting businesses and working with understanding about their interests.

Sanders, in a way, wants to have it both ways here. On one hand, we see and hear his unabashed anti-corporate stance. On the other hand, when talking about why he is the better candidate on guns, Sanders keeps saying how he, being from a rural state, understands the gun issue and can bring “both sides" to the table to negotiate common sense gun legislation. So then… he can be common sense on guns? But absolutely principled in his stringent anti-corporate rhetoric? Why?

So I will not cede any “corporate" ground to Bernard Sanders. In this, like in everything I have outlined above, his positions are one-sided and unrealistic. Hillary Clinton is proposing much sounder policies, and has a much better chance of achieving these policies once in office."
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no she won't..... daleanime Dec 2015 #1
Haha^ liberalnarb Dec 2015 #3
No she won't cause she isn't. MrWendel Dec 2015 #4
Why go into details.... daleanime Dec 2015 #10
If you have nothing to say.. MrWendel Dec 2015 #11
Then let's keep it simple..... daleanime Dec 2015 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #132
Possible, but let's hope not.... daleanime Dec 2015 #139
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #141
Hillary would have to get some moderate Republicans and independants to win the general. Not going Vincardog Dec 2015 #53
Top Jeb Bush political donor in Miami: I’ll vote for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. DCBob Dec 2015 #72
Typical DC opinion. Aerows Dec 2015 #119
How about this ....? earthside Dec 2015 #103
No Hillary is not worthy of our support! Rockyj Dec 2015 #13
Speak only for yourself, please. BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #133
OP of the Week. oasis Dec 2015 #2
OP of the primary and needs repeating often! upaloopa Dec 2015 #102
I love it, too.. and of course it attracts the.. Cha Dec 2015 #125
it's sad that you are having to try to convince people of this.. jkbRN Dec 2015 #5
Is it just as sad... MrWendel Dec 2015 #7
No one has mentioned that in this thread. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #16
Not my OP... MrWendel Dec 2015 #18
For one thing, Hill would kill Cookie if her Wall Street overlords said so. eom Fawke Em Dec 2015 #21
You win. Android3.14 Dec 2015 #31
LOL.. Cha Dec 2015 #74
Agreed MissDeeds Dec 2015 #34
In addition to libertarian TPs from self-styled BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #43
As sad and desperate as linking to tea party websites and Stormfront to smear Bernie? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #45
Lol, brush it off jkbRN Dec 2015 #94
What's sadder is thinking that Sanders will be the nominee. Beacool Dec 2015 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #134
if Bernie is as honest as Mondale hill2016 Dec 2015 #6
He did. eom Fawke Em Dec 2015 #22
Speaking of Presidential candidates that lost... Aerows Dec 2015 #120
Kicked and rec'ed VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #8
nailed it!! MaggieD Dec 2015 #9
Bravo! Brilliantly written and common sense essay. You've written what I've been trying to write BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #12
NOT ME! MrWendel Dec 2015 #14
Excellent find, then! lol Thank you for posting! BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #23
IF, the big if, if Sanders revolution was really about voting, he really needs to Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #77
Did you ever think the reason you had so much trouble writing something like this is because daybranch Dec 2015 #78
You completely misunderstand what I wrote. Color me surprised...NOT. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #96
Nope. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #15
I love this... MrWendel Dec 2015 #17
Each "two cent" opinion post kicks this important thread. oasis Dec 2015 #19
I agree. Paka Dec 2015 #63
You know an OP is good... MrWendel Dec 2015 #20
No sale. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #24
Did you know that a woman who stands for nothing will fall for anything? tularetom Dec 2015 #25
bernie stands for nothing. untrustable, unbelievable & unelectable. misterhighwasted Dec 2015 #28
Did you see this comment? They could have been talking about DU: beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #41
they can't accept the truth Zinner88 Dec 2015 #60
Clinton Is A Minion Of The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - Better Candidate - In One's Dreams cantbeserious Dec 2015 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #135
HRC - Still Beholden To Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks cantbeserious Dec 2015 #136
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #140
No - Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Love HRC cantbeserious Dec 2015 #144
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #142
No - Straight From The HRC Donor List cantbeserious Dec 2015 #145
You reference Walter Mondale's doomed saltpoint Dec 2015 #27
"Glad-handing hack" or not, BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #52
Of course a Mondale administration would saltpoint Dec 2015 #69
Glad to hear that we concur on BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #88
This is excellent! R B Garr Dec 2015 #29
Thank you for mentioning the comment section.. that was interesting! Cha Dec 2015 #76
Why is she better? Because she only wants to talk to white people about the important issues? Kalidurga Dec 2015 #30
I read it twice and still don't understand what they're trying to say. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #137
She has had many more mixed-race and AA audiences than Bernie has. pnwmom Dec 2015 #38
Are you really unaware she said that in a meeting with BLM? Kalidurga Dec 2015 #49
First you paraphrased her as saying, "that if they were going to bring up that the issue pnwmom Dec 2015 #51
Yes of course Kalidurga Dec 2015 #54
Thanks, but the sound on my laptop broke a while ago. pnwmom Dec 2015 #57
Sorry about that Kalidurga Dec 2015 #58
I am reading this now after just adding to my post. pnwmom Dec 2015 #59
It is objectionable because there is no context in which what she said is right. Kalidurga Dec 2015 #62
They think she is better TM99 Dec 2015 #61
Good one! MFrohike Dec 2015 #32
Well written, and irrelevant. Binkie The Clown Dec 2015 #33
This is a discussion board, not a campaign site. DCBob Dec 2015 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #138
Lots of words but, what policy positions do you find Hillary is stronger on? grahamhgreen Dec 2015 #36
Beyond Laughable billhicks76 Dec 2015 #37
If she is the nominee, I will vote for her in the general. She will not have my vote in the primary Feeling the Bern Dec 2015 #39
Thanks for posting this. BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #47
It's about trust. gordyfl Dec 2015 #40
Since every other "probe" BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #46
Hillary's FBI Probe - the Washington Post... gordyfl Dec 2015 #67
From August 17 ... eom BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #85
Excellent explanation of why Sanders is going nowhere. SunSeeker Dec 2015 #44
You are joking right? Kalidurga Dec 2015 #50
No. It's not a plan. nt SunSeeker Dec 2015 #55
We the people wasn't a plan either. Kalidurga Dec 2015 #56
This ... BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #48
K&R RandySF Dec 2015 #64
Pro-war, pro-Wall Street, pro-fracking, pro-Keystone XL, pro-H1B Visas and dishonest. Scuba Dec 2015 #65
Good Post. Thanks for finding it. leftofcool Dec 2015 #66
Working with corporations for reform, not against them??? Sorry, I don't think that's possible. reformist2 Dec 2015 #68
Very well written and thoughtful post. DCBob Dec 2015 #70
Gaius Septimus makes some very good points, MrWendel.. thank you. Cha Dec 2015 #73
Thank you for this informative and thoughtful diary one which I totally agree FloridaBlues Dec 2015 #75
No she isn't the better candidate. She is more of the same bullshit that got us into this mess. bowens43 Dec 2015 #80
+10000000 CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #83
Uh, no and no. 99Forever Dec 2015 #81
K & R Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #82
you won't convince any bernie supporter TheFarseer Dec 2015 #84
So I googled... Agschmid Dec 2015 #91
come on, you're better than that TheFarseer Dec 2015 #98
I said "top links"... Agschmid Dec 2015 #100
and you clearly don't think corruption is an issue. TheFarseer Dec 2015 #105
Show me actual corruption than sure you might have a point. Agschmid Dec 2015 #106
I'll never convince you. I get that. TheFarseer Dec 2015 #111
Yes please do. Agschmid Dec 2015 #112
She's perfectly capable of the job. The question is who will she represent? Vinca Dec 2015 #86
False. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #87
This deserves another kick! MaggieD Dec 2015 #89
A very good read, thanks MrWendel and Gaius Septimus. nm Alfresco Dec 2015 #90
Yes. All of this and more. Nt seabeyond Dec 2015 #92
ONLY IF THE "PERSON" PULLING THE LEVEL IS CALLED "WALL STREET"... MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #93
Only 32 recs? jkbRN Dec 2015 #95
this is at least the second thread I see your only concern is amounts of rec. You settled into the seabeyond Dec 2015 #97
Yeah, because when peoples posts are all about whining and complaining jkbRN Dec 2015 #104
The reason people post... MrWendel Dec 2015 #107
You have no business telling anyone to "use their brain". Cha Dec 2015 #122
LOL.. what a niche, eh? Cha Dec 2015 #114
Simple, because it's a pro-Sanders board. Beacool Dec 2015 #110
HAHA... It's up to 40 now.. thanks for the KICK!!! Not bad for being 85% BS board. Cha Dec 2015 #113
Expensive doesn't equal quality. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #99
This is exactly what I have been thinking for months and saying when I have the toughts in Mind. upaloopa Dec 2015 #101
An amazing OP Gothmog Dec 2015 #108
Kick & highly recommended! William769 Dec 2015 #115
The GOP candidates and Hillary are puppets of the big corps Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #116
Must kick this informative OP into Super Tuesday. oasis Dec 2015 #117
A self-declared "socialist" simply can't win the American presidency. Purists almost NEVER win. RBInMaine Dec 2015 #118
Hillary is a way better candidate because she has years of experience from all over the world Cha Dec 2015 #121
Few people know more than Rep. John Lewis about who would better oasis Dec 2015 #127
Good point, oasis. And, thank you! Cha Dec 2015 #128
Yes, indeed--Hillary is the better candidate. riversedge Dec 2015 #123
Obama was the better candidate. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #124
Yes she is. Nt ismnotwasm Dec 2015 #126
Glad to be the 50th rec. Nice post. Thank you K & R nt Persondem Dec 2015 #129
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #130
This is so clearly true MaggieD Dec 2015 #131
Great post! workinclasszero Dec 2015 #143
No one really knows how someone will fare as President. randome Dec 2015 #146
Kick for the "can do" candidate. oasis Dec 2015 #147
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! postatomic Dec 2015 #148
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