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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Clinton's opposition to the TPP is insulting [View all]davidpdx
(22,000 posts)104. This is what gets me
3. Hillary Clinton stated that she wouldn't lobby or rally against the TPP. She would only state her position. Since she's not a member in the Congress, her position means absolutely nothing to defeat the TPP. In fact, she has the endorsement of the vast majority of democrats in the Congress, including those who voted to Fast Track it. This makes her the best person positioned to rally democrats to defeat it. However, she chooses to stay put and do absolutely nothing.
Some in this thread are saying that Hillary Clinton was against the TPA and we just don't know it. In fact she said very little about the TPA or TPP until after the TPA was passed. My question is why?
She had plenty of time to get up to speed on the changes that were made between the time she left her position as SoS and the time that the TPA was up for a vote. I've also heard some Clinton supporters claim that she had no idea what was in it. I very highly doubt that. Given that President Obama keeps in close touch with her after she left as SoS, she had to have had an idea what was in the agreement.
Furthermore, while she is not a member of Congress she has the ability to influence votes in both the House and the Senate. Many of the people in Congress have been there for a long time, some maybe even dating back to when her husband was president. So why she did not have had political influence, she DID have personal influence over some in Congress. She CHOOSE not to do anything about the TPA passing.
Now that the TPA has passed and the TPP only requires a simple majority, we are stuck with it. Our only hope is that one or more of the other countries in the agreement vote it down. Otherwise we are screwed.
Ps-Welcome back Cali! We missed you.
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It's entirely possible that Union leadership is every bit as corrupt as Hillary. [n/t]
Maedhros
Dec 2015
#5
Never let facts get in the way of your spittle-flecked hatred, do you?
ConservativeDemocrat
Dec 2015
#149
We've been through this before... Did I "really want" NAFTA being "renegotiated"...
cascadiance
Dec 2015
#166
It makes no difference to some people what she says because they have their agenda.
AlbertCat
Dec 2015
#39
She's a weathervane. If she wins the nomination she'll flip flop again.
beam me up scottie
Dec 2015
#64
Why am I not surprised to see you support the TPP which kills American jobs. In fact they
rhett o rick
Dec 2015
#180
You mean like every time you see an enormous and garish BERNIE meme on a post...
Nitram
Dec 2015
#123
That would be like conditionally supporting slavery when it was legal if it had free schooling...
cascadiance
Dec 2015
#167
She's evolved into the Master Class of CYA politics. K&R and welcome back.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2015
#45
You know superdelgates are not binding, they are free to vote for any candidate they wish at the
Autumn
Dec 2015
#134
Bernie Sanders not a "once in a lifetime" candidate? Many of us want another FDR...
cascadiance
Dec 2015
#169
Some cannot grasp that those who oppose Hillary don't 'hate' her personally... it's the obvious
AzDar
Dec 2015
#59
I have a cousin who is a pathological liar... I don't hate her, but I don't fucking trust her.
AzDar
Dec 2015
#67
Look... if Hillary gets upset about being labelled a "liar", perhaps she shouldn't lie. But she does
AzDar
Dec 2015
#88
The extra heaping of insulting is she waited until after TPA passed, making the TPP a done deal.
jeff47
Dec 2015
#72
Now, you said, "She waited until after TPA passed, making the TPP a done deal."
yallerdawg
Dec 2015
#102
So, why should she and we by agreeing with her LOVE taking away the Democrats' ability to filibuster
cascadiance
Dec 2015
#171
And then WHY did congress NOT KNOW about what was in TPP when they voted on TPA?
cascadiance
Dec 2015
#175
Frankly I prefer our CONSTITUTION and OUR court system and not a CORPORATE ISDS court...
cascadiance
Dec 2015
#183
So you will like Transcanada suing us for "lost profits" and "giving us 35 jobs"...
cascadiance
Dec 2015
#185
Hillary says things when they are convenient to her needs, she is a Convenient Candidate IMO nt
slipslidingaway
Dec 2015
#117
I've heard rumors some of the people she most trusts are hedge fund owners.
raouldukelives
Dec 2015
#125
Yes, they were maneuvered. Those like Hillary, willing to lie, to not hold to any ethical standard
cali
Dec 2015
#164
"Better" in what context? To win for HER, or provide a better candidate for the American people?
cascadiance
Dec 2015
#172
Difficult to have a conversation here w/o being accused of hating the other candidate
EndElectoral
Dec 2015
#151
All the more reason we need to push for H-1B and other "guest worker" program stances from her now..
cascadiance
Dec 2015
#173