2016 Postmortem

kenfrequed

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159. You want "Reality"?

Reply to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #149)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 01:27 PM

Dec 2015

The reality is that we have a long record of who she tends to support and a longer record too of people she takes campaign donations from.

The reality is that she came out against this thing only three weeks before the debates after saying she didn't like what she had heard about what was in it after she had been helping both in negotiating it AND in trumpeting the gold standards of the TPP.

The damned TPP even had been Improved from the leaked versions of it back from last spring! So she didn't like what she had heard about it with regards to drug monopolies after they had actually reduced the length of exclusive patenting on said medications???

That doesn't make sense.

Of course if you think the TPP is pretty good then I don't even have to question where your loyalties lie and I can easily imagine your satisfaction if Hillary manages to win the nomination and shifts back to the economic right on this issue.

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Clinton's opposition to the TPP is insulting [View all] cali Dec 2015 OP

A very compelling case you make 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #1

I don't think unions are naive. cali Dec 2015 #2

It's entirely possible that Union leadership is every bit as corrupt as Hillary. [n/t] Maedhros Dec 2015 #5

Or, this may actually be a stroke of brilliance! Bubzer Dec 2015 #34

Uh...The TPP will be law long before the election. jeff47 Dec 2015 #55

Ugh...I hope you're wrong. The TPP needs to be shitcanned Bubzer Dec 2015 #112

+100. n/t whathehell Dec 2015 #128

Union leadership is just fine: the GOP are corrupt: Hillary lewebley3 Dec 2015 #177

No compelling case: the OP post is just a Sanders supporter lewebley3 Dec 2015 #178

BEYOND insulting! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2015 #3

If I remember correctly you were calling Hillary out upaloopa Dec 2015 #4

Why yes, I didn't imagine she'd be so shamelessly cynical cali Dec 2015 #8

Never let facts get in the way of your spittle-flecked hatred, do you? ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #149

You want "Reality"? kenfrequed Dec 2015 #159

You seem to imagine that Obama is on the "economic right" ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #181

Absurd kenfrequed Dec 2015 #187

Yes, you're being absurd ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #188

Yeah... kenfrequed Dec 2015 #189

I can spend months looking to buy a house... ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #190

So... kenfrequed Dec 2015 #191

Wow indeed, what a word salad from you ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #192

A few hints: kenfrequed Dec 2015 #193

Okay, so basically you got nothing ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #194

We've been through this before... Did I "really want" NAFTA being "renegotiated"... cascadiance Dec 2015 #166

Really, cali? Going for hides already? You like sitting in the corner? randome Dec 2015 #168

Please don't hide Cali! Amimnoch Dec 2015 #179

Don't we all! That includes you, loops. nm floriduck Dec 2015 #26

So much for that prediction MaggieD Dec 2015 #31

It makes no difference to some people what she says because they have their agenda. AlbertCat Dec 2015 #39

She's a weathervane. If she wins the nomination she'll flip flop again. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #64

Exactly liberalmike27 Dec 2015 #130

It's just Hillary being Hillary. Paka Dec 2015 #6

...+1 840high Dec 2015 #22

Welcome back! arcane1 Dec 2015 #7

welcome back ibegurpard Dec 2015 #9

I did not know there was UglyGreed Dec 2015 #11

Why would you need to? brooklynite Dec 2015 #141

I don't believe I've UglyGreed Dec 2015 #165

Trade agreements support millions of US jobs and contribute to GDP. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #10

ones that stay in this country? ibegurpard Dec 2015 #12

America has won every single tribunal, and... JaneyVee Dec 2015 #17

Free Trade agreements are anti-incentives to keep jobs here Armstead Dec 2015 #92

A decade of negotiation... yallerdawg Dec 2015 #96

A lot more to it than that Armstead Dec 2015 #122

haha DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #113

Almost. We lost the "what is a catfish?" fight against Vietnam Recursion Dec 2015 #118

You misunderstand kenfrequed Dec 2015 #161

Yes--in China n/t eridani Dec 2015 #116

Why am I not surprised to see you support the TPP which kills American jobs. In fact they rhett o rick Dec 2015 #180

You need to read her book - as I have told you before MaggieD Dec 2015 #13

Some Hillary quotes about TPP Art_from_Ark Dec 2015 #19

You should have read her book.... MaggieD Dec 2015 #21

If she had had so much skepticism about it so long ago, Art_from_Ark Dec 2015 #23

She did - you just weren't paying attention MaggieD Dec 2015 #30

Oh, for crying out loud Art_from_Ark Dec 2015 #36

In case know one ever says it... yallerdawg Dec 2015 #37

the Hillary Haters! AlbertCat Dec 2015 #49

Look at this OP... yallerdawg Dec 2015 #61

Look at this OP... AlbertCat Dec 2015 #63

The truth is not a form of hate. Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #78

Repetitive innuendo and speculation, yallerdawg Dec 2015 #86

Not hardly. Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #89

You mean like every time you see an enormous and garish BERNIE meme on a post... Nitram Dec 2015 #123

Thanks MaggieD Dec 2015 #52

Haters just have to hate Maggie philosslayer Dec 2015 #50

That's the problem with letting emotions overtake you in politics MaggieD Dec 2015 #54

I think the fact is that nyabingi Dec 2015 #147

So why has she voted against trade bills in the past? MaggieD Dec 2015 #148

She may have voted against them in the past nyabingi Dec 2015 #150

She was conditionally supportive of it if it contained the right criteria MaggieD Dec 2015 #152

That would be like conditionally supporting slavery when it was legal if it had free schooling... cascadiance Dec 2015 #167

MaggieD, your messages about Hillary are always welcome. However I feel asjr Dec 2015 #137

I'll tell you one more thing Art_from_Ark Dec 2015 #24

You should have read her book.... AlbertCat Dec 2015 #40

The charge seems to be she is new to this idea MaggieD Dec 2015 #41

she has been saying the same things about trade for 15 years. AlbertCat Dec 2015 #42

She writes her own books MaggieD Dec 2015 #43

She writes her own books AlbertCat Dec 2015 #46

Well you asked - and her editor says she writes her own books MaggieD Dec 2015 #57

She has changed her mind 4 times since she wrote her book. Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #79

These agreements are inherently bad Armstead Dec 2015 #93

Precisely. That is the biggest problem with NAFTA & the TPP. senz Dec 2015 #100

Great to see you Cali. Your voice was missed here on DU. jalan48 Dec 2015 #14

Nice to see you back! tazkcmo Dec 2015 #15

It just can't be! yallerdawg Dec 2015 #16

as i've argued it from the beginning, she's closer to the repubs stupidicus Dec 2015 #18

Yes I would like to hear that too. nt navarth Dec 2015 #160

.... in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #20

You are absolutely RIGHT about this. And you have stated it perfectly. CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2015 #28

Thank you, CaliforniaPeggy. in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #62

Yup… the last time I voted for Hillary Agony Dec 2015 #82

Anyone who believes Hillary on this Broward Dec 2015 #25

Love is blind. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #32

I am so happy you are back. Your insight and voice were missed deeply. Autumn Dec 2015 #27

I think large numbers of us consider her a joke. Doctor_J Dec 2015 #29

Huge +1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #120

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #33

Very good. MuseRider Dec 2015 #35

Hillary Ingested Shrooms Prior to Statement Opposing TPP LS_Editor Dec 2015 #38

From the debate that she delivered this lie: Jarqui Dec 2015 #44

She's evolved into the Master Class of CYA politics. K&R and welcome back. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #45

I guess as the Bern continues to fade.... philosslayer Dec 2015 #47

Don't even care about the issue? senz Dec 2015 #103

I'm more mystified as to why some here want to weaken the Dem nominee philosslayer Dec 2015 #110

Three little facts to reduce your mystification. senz Dec 2015 #111

we don't have a Dem nominee yet ibegurpard Dec 2015 #115

I'm more mystified as to why some here think we have a Dem nominee Autumn Dec 2015 #129

Actually, hundreds of votes have been cast. philosslayer Dec 2015 #131

You know superdelgates are not binding, they are free to vote for any candidate they wish at the Autumn Dec 2015 #134

I'll bookmark this post for reading in March. philosslayer Dec 2015 #135

That's the point. Should something happen as it did in 2008 Autumn Dec 2015 #136

You're missing the point philosslayer Dec 2015 #138

No I'm not missing anything. nt Autumn Dec 2015 #142

See you in March philosslayer Dec 2015 #145

Sanders is not "once in a lifetime," he is unique! immoderate Dec 2015 #157

Bernie Sanders not a "once in a lifetime" candidate? Many of us want another FDR... cascadiance Dec 2015 #169

I've never returned to a full time job after NAFTA Phlem Dec 2015 #48

As long as the others UglyGreed Dec 2015 #53

Exactly. Phlem Dec 2015 #56

N/P UglyGreed Dec 2015 #66

CALI! hootinholler Dec 2015 #51

k&r/Hey Cali! Welcome back. AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #58

Some cannot grasp that those who oppose Hillary don't 'hate' her personally... it's the obvious AzDar Dec 2015 #59

When I call someone a LIAR... yallerdawg Dec 2015 #65

I have a cousin who is a pathological liar... I don't hate her, but I don't fucking trust her. AzDar Dec 2015 #67

I'm sure your cousin... yallerdawg Dec 2015 #76

Look... if Hillary gets upset about being labelled a "liar", perhaps she shouldn't lie. But she does AzDar Dec 2015 #88

And here I thought it was a Democracy. Phlem Dec 2015 #71

K&R!!!! Phlem Dec 2015 #60

Not the Gold Standard, says Bernie gordyfl Dec 2015 #68

Does he mention what is the gold standard? yallerdawg Dec 2015 #70

your right wing is showing. Phlem Dec 2015 #73

Right wing is thinking you can negotiate a trade deal... yallerdawg Dec 2015 #77

Sorry, I grew up in the Philippines under Marcus Phlem Dec 2015 #81

Not Perfect? Not Even Close... gordyfl Dec 2015 #85

Are you scared? Is TPP horrifying? yallerdawg Dec 2015 #90

"Question everything doesn't apply to just one side!" Phlem Dec 2015 #91

You think this Hillary Hate is new and original? yallerdawg Dec 2015 #94

I liked her just fine until she fought VERY dirty in the 2008 campaign. senz Dec 2015 #106

That did it for me, too, senz. Duval Dec 2015 #163

I guess you're in what you would call "good company," yallerdog senz Dec 2015 #105

YEP!!! Explain WHY MORE Republicans supported TPP than Democrats, huh? cascadiance Dec 2015 #170

Welcome back jfern Dec 2015 #69

The extra heaping of insulting is she waited until after TPA passed, making the TPP a done deal. jeff47 Dec 2015 #72

She wants to be a winner. Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #80

Yea, my mom was all about herself. Phlem Dec 2015 #84

Absolutely. That was the defining vote cali Dec 2015 #83

She plays us all for fools and many are proving her right. Broward Dec 2015 #87

Unbelievable! yallerdawg Dec 2015 #97

That sound is the point sailing over your head. jeff47 Dec 2015 #99

Now, you said, "She waited until after TPA passed, making the TPP a done deal." yallerdawg Dec 2015 #102

And the point goes further over your head. jeff47 Dec 2015 #108

So, why should she and we by agreeing with her LOVE taking away the Democrats' ability to filibuster cascadiance Dec 2015 #171

TPA was "the filibuster" cloture vote. yallerdawg Dec 2015 #174

And then WHY did congress NOT KNOW about what was in TPP when they voted on TPA? cascadiance Dec 2015 #175

Were you told this or do you make it up? yallerdawg Dec 2015 #182

Frankly I prefer our CONSTITUTION and OUR court system and not a CORPORATE ISDS court... cascadiance Dec 2015 #183

I'm sure other countries wil go along with that! yallerdawg Dec 2015 #184

So you will like Transcanada suing us for "lost profits" and "giving us 35 jobs"... cascadiance Dec 2015 #185

That is pure fiction! yallerdawg Dec 2015 #186

K & R beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #74

K&R!!!! Phlem Dec 2015 #75

K&R. SixString Dec 2015 #95

Excellent OP. Thanks for presenting the case for what I've strongly sensed. senz Dec 2015 #98

Great summary, but you omitted a couple important facts Jim Lane Dec 2015 #101

Thank you, Jim. cali Dec 2015 #146

This is what gets me davidpdx Dec 2015 #104

And I'm glad you're back. senz Dec 2015 #107

Funny, I don't feel insulted. McCamy Taylor Dec 2015 #109

One more very good analysis. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #114

Hillary says things when they are convenient to her needs, she is a Convenient Candidate IMO nt slipslidingaway Dec 2015 #117

K&R! I think this post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #119

Welcome back, cali! LuvNewcastle Dec 2015 #121

The candidate of expedience! retrowire Dec 2015 #124

I've heard rumors some of the people she most trusts are hedge fund owners. raouldukelives Dec 2015 #125

Wish I could rec this UglyGreed Dec 2015 #132

K&R Glad you are back. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #126

Welcome back, cali. Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 #127

I no longer pay attention to anything Hillary says. djean111 Dec 2015 #133

Well she is consistent SHRED Dec 2015 #139

Only to those who believe a word she says Doctor_J Dec 2015 #140

...and the 56% of Democrats supporting her are... brooklynite Dec 2015 #143

So Bernie and O'Malley got outmaneuvered firebrand80 Dec 2015 #144

Yes, they were maneuvered. Those like Hillary, willing to lie, to not hold to any ethical standard cali Dec 2015 #164

"Better" in what context? To win for HER, or provide a better candidate for the American people? cascadiance Dec 2015 #172

Difficult to have a conversation here w/o being accused of hating the other candidate EndElectoral Dec 2015 #151

Yawn leftofcool Dec 2015 #153

Lol. cali Dec 2015 #156

K&R - She is lying. fbc Dec 2015 #154

No surprise at all sammythecat Dec 2015 #155

The real reason kenfrequed Dec 2015 #158

I agree. It's that simple and that contemptible. cali Dec 2015 #162

All the more reason we need to push for H-1B and other "guest worker" program stances from her now.. cascadiance Dec 2015 #173

kick... Segami Dec 2015 #176