2016 Postmortem

JaneyVee

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40. It's not scare tactics. I know you won't vote for her.

Reply to TheProgressive (Reply #27)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 02:23 PM

Dec 2015

I addressed it in my post you responded to.

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HIGHEST RECOMMENDED KOS DIARY: "Dear Hillary Clinton supporters" [View all] berni_mccoy Dec 2015 OP

I think this is my cue? Agschmid Dec 2015 #1

Bye... Hepburn Dec 2015 #3

Okay! Agschmid Dec 2015 #28

Agschmid, please don't leave just because Duval Dec 2015 #123

I'm not going anywhere. Agschmid Dec 2015 #136

Then could you offer a reasonable rebuttal to the OP Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #165

Ostrich impersonation. Agschmid Dec 2015 #183

Senator Sanders has had more bad ... Tortmaster Dec 2015 #247

You make no sense at all. Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #256

Yeah, gun control doesn't make sense. Whatevs. Tortmaster Dec 2015 #289

Sad that DUers feel the need to tell someone to leave, or at least imply it. George II Dec 2015 #138

It's a great deal more honest than some fuckface scheming to get members thrown out. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #201

I've heard some rumors also. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #240

That's trickle down ethics for ya. nt raouldukelives Dec 2015 #261

Yes it is your clue to tell the OP rhett o rick Dec 2015 #152

Huge +1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #190

DITTO! oops......sorry. ....K&R Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #198

I was told huff post wasn't a source by a Hillary supporter the other day. TheFarseer Dec 2015 #195

Funny how they used to agree that the Corp-Media favored the Conservatives, but rhett o rick Dec 2015 #208

^^This^^ zentrum Dec 2015 #211

It's amazing how she can be on the wrong side ozone_man Dec 2015 #223

Precisely senz Dec 2015 #255

Bernie Sanders represents a state that just, for the first time, became dependent... NNadir Dec 2015 #227

No one is saying that Sanders is a messiah, that would be a strawman. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #230

No I don't. NNadir Dec 2015 #232

And best of luck to you also. nm rhett o rick Dec 2015 #239

Sanest post I've read in some time. Skidmore Dec 2015 #263

What is your view on energy? What energy and environmental policies do you favor? JDPriestly Dec 2015 #252

I have covered the topic in many places, but in the most detail... NNadir Dec 2015 #273

Of course, the chemistry and physics of the article are far, far beyond my level of comprehension, JDPriestly Dec 2015 #282

Unfortunately, the rote rhetoric you apply here is absurd, and frankly, deadly. NNadir Dec 2015 #283

"I personally oppose dumping any carbon dioxide at any time for any reason" bvar22 Dec 2015 #267

As long as it takes for you to get an education. NNadir Dec 2015 #274

"as my life draws to a close?" mgmaggiemg Dec 2015 #292

It is a wonderful thing to feel one's own mortality... NNadir Dec 2015 #294

I agree mgmaggiemg Dec 2015 #295

Link please? hedda_foil Dec 2015 #2

Sorry, updated. berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #4

You won't find a Hillary supporter on this board who'll answer these questions. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #5

I'm waiting for Kos to be called a RWer... berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #6

No no, we don't do that. That's other supporters thing. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #14

So this didn't happen yesterday? jeff47 Dec 2015 #63

Or be called idiots per the thread going now in the Bernie forum. So far only a pic randys1 Dec 2015 #128

I tend to believe its supporters from all candidates. Not all supporters, of course. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #184

Excellent post. There's lots of crap coming from supporters of both candidates, although I do think WIProgressive88 Dec 2015 #213

That happened yesterday. jeff47 Dec 2015 #17

I would have said, "NO WAY!" until I saw the link! Hepburn Dec 2015 #21

Both DU and Kos have been thrown under the bus a number of times because both lean heavily Bernie. merrily Dec 2015 #54

That is the freakin TRUTH. berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #58

national elections mgmaggiemg Dec 2015 #214

welcome to DU. retrowire Dec 2015 #262

Bernie is a great guy...he is the top of the pyramid... mgmaggiemg Dec 2015 #291

I feel like I am reading in an altered universe! Hepburn Dec 2015 #75

Both, that is the truth! Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #188

On which OPEN forum on the internet does it lean Hillary? I'd love to know... nt stillwaiting Dec 2015 #209

No clue, but I mostly read only at DU. merrily Dec 2015 #210

DAAAAAAYYYYUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMM! Oooooooo SNAP! berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #24

The phrase "thoroughly discredited" is applying to more and more posters. arcane1 Dec 2015 #270

This was not written by Markos Moulitsas. OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #133

Right here... seaglass Dec 2015 #145

They'll call us RW. 840high Dec 2015 #86

Here's a radical idea: JaneyVee Dec 2015 #7

Here's a reality: Clinton's not a progressive and barely a Democrat. berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #9

Here's a another reality: Progressives aren't progressive if.... JaneyVee Dec 2015 #12

Is Trump Hillary's Trump Card now? If so, IT'S BEYOND LAME berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #16

what progress? ibegurpard Dec 2015 #18

Regressed? Ask any person of color or lgbt, etc which era in.... JaneyVee Dec 2015 #23

really? ibegurpard Dec 2015 #36

You're the only one who was thinking economically and not... JaneyVee Dec 2015 #52

Except I mentioned more than just economics... ibegurpard Dec 2015 #103

Good point!! Duval Dec 2015 #126

"sexual preferences"? BeanMusical Dec 2015 #241

My 8 year relationship with my boyfriend is not a sexual preference. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #250

She is giving credit to Hillary for the real work done by MLK, LBJ, and the Democrats of the 60s ... bvar22 Dec 2015 #271

No shit MaggieD Dec 2015 #37

Yes! Plucketeer Dec 2015 #119

There is no possible dought that we have progressed SOCIALLY liberalnarb Dec 2015 #122

Um, nope. I was discussing this with some of my 50 year old black HS classmates Lorien Dec 2015 #253

+1 Go Vols Dec 2015 #64

Do you really think scare tactics work on progressive/liberal/Democrats? TheProgressive Dec 2015 #27

It's not scare tactics. I know you won't vote for her. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #40

My theory AnnRKey Dec 2015 #229

welcome to DU - friendly advice/reminder Kali Dec 2015 #233

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #279

Are we supposed to be impressed? nt MrScorpio Dec 2015 #280

So "not as bad as" is all you've got? By the way ... Scuba Dec 2015 #50

Here's another reality: that is not the definition of a progressive. merrily Dec 2015 #57

Lets see if I can suss it all out. bvar22 Dec 2015 #268

Well, one of the points seems to have been that voting for Hillary is voting for progress and a merrily Dec 2015 #269

Can you rerebut any of the points made in the article in Daily Kos? JDPriestly Dec 2015 #125

Clinton isn't progressing on issues like SS, TPP, fracking, Patriot Act, legalization of marijuana, rhett o rick Dec 2015 #173

Wanna know something very very sad about Democratic picked SCOTUS judges? truedelphi Dec 2015 #179

Bingo! Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #194

Who is refusing progress and how are they doing that? cui bono Dec 2015 #200

Does your reply meann floriduck Dec 2015 #234

...and so will any SC Judges she appoints. bvar22 Dec 2015 #31

And Bill chose the 2 most liberal justices on SCOTUS. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #42

Oh so now Bill's running again? ibegurpard Dec 2015 #48

Bill clinton is not running for the Presidency notadmblnd Dec 2015 #59

Neither is Obama, but that didn't stop poster from bringing him up. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #65

But Obama IS more left than Clinton... and you see what we got with him... berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #72

And Hillary is to the left of Bill...who picked liberal justices. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #80

We got a good president redstateblues Dec 2015 #174

that didn't answer my question. notadmblnd Dec 2015 #87

No, Breyer is corporatist, not liberal. For just one thing, he and Kagan went with the Republicans merrily Dec 2015 #66

You don't get to redefine our party. KMOD Dec 2015 #60

She's no progressive and DLC centrist types don't get to redefine our Party, either. merrily Dec 2015 #71

You are simply wrong. KMOD Dec 2015 #77

No on both. People poll various ways for various reasons. Extrapolating from polls what you are merrily Dec 2015 #91

So you guys keep saying. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #93

The Progressive Caucus is the LARGEST Caucus in the Democratic Party. bvar22 Dec 2015 #120

Many members of the Progressive Caucus have already endorsed her. KMOD Dec 2015 #127

Good. If you know what you are talking about, bvar22 Dec 2015 #132

... KMOD Dec 2015 #135

That is a funny list MFrohike Dec 2015 #231

I join you in waiting. And probably, truedelphi Dec 2015 #199

it's right in the post above you. KMOD Dec 2015 #206

And out of this Large caucus how many endorse Bernie ? Hum..2 FloridaBlues Dec 2015 #175

Huge +1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #257

I don't like the things she's gotten done. ibegurpard Dec 2015 #106

Could you name what she has gotten done in her career? askew Dec 2015 #161

Well, there's that post office she got named after her friend. Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #189

Not fair! bvar22 Dec 2015 #193

I think she named a park too. askew Dec 2015 #197

What you call a redefinition is what other people call "data" DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #204

Only if you define the center as the Bernie end of the party. pnwmom Dec 2015 #207

As expected, you are trying to shoot the messenger. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #13

Cherry picking perceived negatives can be done for any candidate. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #19

I agree, these aren't disqualifiers... thesquanderer Dec 2015 #46

Agreed. These are not disqualifiers ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #84

In 2008, you most certainly couldn't come up with a list like this for Obama. askew Dec 2015 #164

Her vote to go to WAR in Iraq needs no cherry picking. bvar22 Dec 2015 #272

Thank you. okasha Dec 2015 #285

NO. bvar22 Dec 2015 #290

This is all they've got: berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #20

Actually, no. I answered even before you did. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #26

You can refute any of the points can you? I'm not surprised. berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #32

+1000000 on that MaggieD Dec 2015 #29

Jury results: OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #102

Wow- What a blatant attempt to shut redstateblues Dec 2015 #176

What about the OP is smear mongering? n/t cui bono Dec 2015 #202

Again: no rebuttal of any argument, just unloading any weapon in sight on the messenger. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #248

Result of Jury Service. I was jury # 7. ProudToBeLiberal Dec 2015 #38

Ironically, I had a post hidden today for... JaneyVee Dec 2015 #47

Wonderful comment. Thank you for your service. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #74

If anybody doubts Clinton supporters are being targeted DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #90

Alert targeting goes both ways... Paka Dec 2015 #224

Free speech and all? ibegurpard Dec 2015 #107

And I'm sure supporters of a candidate reflect the kind of govt we will get. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #111

yup ibegurpard Dec 2015 #113

The percentage of *Dem* BS supporters who will stay home if HRC is the nominee... thesquanderer Dec 2015 #68

If Clinton is elected, she will be hated by so many Americans that it will end the Democratic JDPriestly Dec 2015 #124

Pray tell........... Beacool Dec 2015 #246

The man who voted for the border Wall okasha Dec 2015 #284

Despite the desperate and contrived attempts to damage Hillary Clinton..... George II Dec 2015 #150

"Desperate and contrived" nails it. okasha Dec 2015 #277

I love how I'm supposed to be SO afraid of Trump.... beerandjesus Dec 2015 #167

Thank you joc46224 Dec 2015 #182

This........ Beacool Dec 2015 #245

But comparing ardent Democrats to the Tea Party is perfectly OK? Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #251

Yes, it is when people act like them. Beacool Dec 2015 #265

continue to stamp your feet ibegurpard Dec 2015 #275

Those people don't peruse this board. Beacool Dec 2015 #287

This site expressly forbids calling DU-ers a Republican or conservative. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #278

That's gonna leave a mark..... peacebird Dec 2015 #8

Yup, there's going to be chafing... and for that I recommend: berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #10

THis is good too. bvar22 Dec 2015 #105

That's my preference as well. blackspade Dec 2015 #118

Plus 100 for your humor! Duval Dec 2015 #134

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #11

They can't answer those questions ibegurpard Dec 2015 #15

GOP: bad enough that we have to vote for any Dem during the election MisterP Dec 2015 #85

This is clearly written by a misinformed person MaggieD Dec 2015 #22

Can't refute it, can you? Figured. berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #25

Refute stupid shit like.... MaggieD Dec 2015 #33

"the person who wrote this diary is an idiot" +1 Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #44

She certainly lobbied Congress to support her candidacy... and that's a hell of lot less important berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #49

Yes, because super delegates vote at the convention MaggieD Dec 2015 #51

Yes, because the TPP is going to cause harm to millions of Americans... berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #55

Oh FFS - she is against it and has said why, so..... MaggieD Dec 2015 #79

She only came out against it just before the debate. There is no credibility in that. berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #82

Bernie is losing big by every metric MaggieD Dec 2015 #96

Again, no attempt to refute points on real issues that matter to real people in real life. berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #143

No need to waste the time MaggieD Dec 2015 #146

Instead, you'll waste time posting snarky remarks... but not discussing issues. berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #148

Yes MaggieD Dec 2015 #149

If issues = smears then no wonder Hillary isn't going to win. berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #157

This. Treant Dec 2015 #56

Bern Victims- Sadly true redstateblues Dec 2015 #177

Hey! Step back, will ya? We're TALKING TRUTH TO POWER! Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #34

LOL! MaggieD Dec 2015 #35

Here are a couple of answers dsc Dec 2015 #30

If you favor increasing the cap, then you agree with Sanders, not Hillary berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #39

No he wants to eliminate the cap dsc Dec 2015 #45

Eventually, but not all at once. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #99

Where do you see any proposal for " million dollar pension checks that they would be entitled to"? Vincardog Dec 2015 #172

it is the way the formula works dsc Dec 2015 #191

Please post a link to that formula. I have not seen it. Vincardog Dec 2015 #196

Here dsc Dec 2015 #205

Hillary on "Raising-the-Cap". bvar22 Dec 2015 #137

Huge +1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #258

Your willingness to address the actual content is appreciated Armstead Dec 2015 #76

It's somebody's opinion diary just like the bull shit on this board about Hillary upaloopa Dec 2015 #41

Voting for the Iraq war is a refutable statement, not an opinion. OnyxCollie Dec 2015 #69

For the sake of argument firebrand80 Dec 2015 #43

Who said anything about.. berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #53

Yeah, what's a little thing like voting for war when people are still burning flags with impunity!!! Scuba Dec 2015 #61

Yep MissDeeds Dec 2015 #62

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #67

K & R misterhighwasted Dec 2015 #81

nah - just smart democrats. 840high Dec 2015 #88

OOOOH!! THE BERNIE FAN'S HOST AN INQUISITION!! misterhighwasted Dec 2015 #70

It does sound a lot like Joe McCarthy, doesn't it? okasha Dec 2015 #281

Familiar indeed. misterhighwasted Dec 2015 #286

Another Bernie Sanders supporter who thinks s/he is entitled to something KMOD Dec 2015 #73

**crickets** n/t Hepburn Dec 2015 #78

I am voting for HRC leftofcool Dec 2015 #83

Get thee to the Greatest Threads. jalan48 Dec 2015 #89

LOL! Yeah, the poster was really looking for a rebuttal. KittyWampus Dec 2015 #92

Feeling the Bern is all the need there is to rally! Hepburn Dec 2015 #101

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #94

A point I think BSers are missing . . . Gamecock Lefty Dec 2015 #95

Exactly MaggieD Dec 2015 #97

I like the way they keep posting the same stuff and keep failing... Walk away Dec 2015 #104

KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMB. Historic NY Dec 2015 #222

Precisely DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #100

Why? dpatbrown Dec 2015 #108

Who needs information when you can do what you like? OnyxCollie Dec 2015 #112

I think a true portrait would be more nuanced. Orsino Dec 2015 #98

K&R. She is on the side of the 1% and cannot ever be trusted. CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #109

thank you! hopemountain Dec 2015 #155

This should be facinating.... blackspade Dec 2015 #110

So now your over to KOS. Historic NY Dec 2015 #114

great diary-- thank you! ish of the hammer Dec 2015 #115

Wait a minute The Polack MSgt Dec 2015 #116

Thank you for your response. berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #140

I posted the point counterpoint in GD-P The Polack MSgt Dec 2015 #159

No worries. Peace indeed. berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #160

Great post!!! valerief Dec 2015 #117

Not one person supporting hillary in this thread has refuted any of these charges. Javaman Dec 2015 #121

Of course not. They never do because they can't! n/t in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #238

I'm voting for Hillary workinclasszero Dec 2015 #129

Waiting, waiting, waiting........... SoapBox Dec 2015 #130

but try to walk a mile in her olddots Dec 2015 #131

By the way . . . Gamecock Lefty Dec 2015 #139

She just talked about climate change zalinda Dec 2015 #180

Great points! dpatbrown Dec 2015 #187

That sounds like the RW talking point used against Gore. Metric System Dec 2015 #203

No, it's just the truth. eom zalinda Dec 2015 #249

I would rebut, but I won't risk the hide. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #141

Please feel free to. There is actually a very good response here: berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #142

I won't risk the hide. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #144

Only reason you'll get a hide is if you post something that violates the ToS. berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #147

Not True. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #151

I seriously doubt that. berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #158

Oh I knew you would. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #162

Feel free to PM me the link. berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #163

No thanks, not falling for an alert trap. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #166

Just as I thought. You made it up. berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #168

And the last card in the alert trap is played. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #170

Got nothing--as usual! beerandjesus Dec 2015 #171

And anther alert trap gets set. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #185

You want to give advice to Hillary supporters? Check on the polls, Hillary is doing quiet well. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #153

You're entitled to your opinion.... Uben Dec 2015 #154

Um, so? ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #156

questions and answers DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #212

To explain a few points of logic to you ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #216

oh I understand perfectly DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #226

Well I'm glad we agree on one thing ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #243

She's polling over double digits everywhere except NH FloridaBlues Dec 2015 #169

Polls Trump Issues I see.... berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #178

K & R ! TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #181

Kicketty Kickin' Faux pas Dec 2015 #186

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #192

That's a pretty low benchmark ibegurpard Dec 2015 #215

Great List Paka Dec 2015 #217

How Could Any Good Democrat Vote For Hillary? billhicks76 Dec 2015 #218

If you using KOS to gauge it then the comments vs recommends tells you the answer. Historic NY Dec 2015 #221

Hardly billhicks76 Dec 2015 #225

I've only met a handful of Hillary supporters Lorien Dec 2015 #254

I Know Only A Few In The Flesh Too billhicks76 Dec 2015 #288

Despicable. n/t ozone_man Dec 2015 #219

Illegal Use of Rhetorical Questions wildeyed Dec 2015 #220

I haven't heard anything refute anything listed here. No one...I challenge anyone with knowledge... libdem4life Dec 2015 #228

That's because its all true. This is what is so frustrating. We'd LOVE Hillary Clinton to be a RiverLover Dec 2015 #260

Excellent - But, I fear that many of Hillary's supporters here will dismiss it as being a hate Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #235

K/R Jack Rabbit Dec 2015 #236

+ a GAZILLION! No wonder it was the most recommended! It's EXCELLENT and every word TRUE. in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #237

Kick and R BeanMusical Dec 2015 #242

"Dear Bernie Sanders supporters" Beacool Dec 2015 #244

K&R! I'm happy to see this post has hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #259

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #264

K and R! nt m-lekktor Dec 2015 #266

Her past is pushing her more to the left! d_legendary1 Dec 2015 #276

Kick for TRUTH! n/t in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #293