2016 Postmortem

Matariki

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53. Fess up, this is David Koch's secret DU account, right?

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 11:33 PM

Dec 2015

"It is easy to tell a bunch of hungry people that people living in the big mansion are eating steak or lobster. It is human nature to begrudge people who have more, especially when one is struggling. It is also an incendiary argument that those people in the mansion have more because they took it from you. You should be eating the steak and lobster because you are the ones who earned it for those people"

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Bernie Sanders' disingenuous economics [View all] cosmicone Dec 2015 OP

Another dishonest post from a Clinton supporter, why am I not shocked? Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #1

You're not missing anything. arcane1 Dec 2015 #2

Your charts purposely break down the brackets of income cosmicone Dec 2015 #6

Bernie has not suggested a 90% top rate. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #19

What are the brackets of income in your chart? It's not even based on the U.S. economy. arcane1 Dec 2015 #25

Another dishonest post.... Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #118

There are hundreds if not thousands of charts out there that demonstrate similar data. You... George II Dec 2015 #138

I spent maybe 5 seconds researching this. Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #162

A second admission - first you say you didn't read the OP yet called it dishonest, and second.... George II Dec 2015 #163

If someone told you dog shit tasted like strawberry cheesecake Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #167

! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #168

And notice they haven't come back to answer the MANY challenges to their lies. arcane1 Dec 2015 #148

Not only that, but Fawke Em Dec 2015 #18

You make an excellent point right here... MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #37

How can you call a post "dishonest" and "garbage" when you ADMIT that you didn't read it? George II Dec 2015 #41

I'm guessing that it's a thing. I've seen it before. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #124

The entire premise the OP is based on is false. Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #169

Results of Your Jury Service hueymahl Dec 2015 #44

Another great jury that sees through the OP's bullshit arcane1 Dec 2015 #160

That first chart is misleading and incomplete (and it's almost 10 years old) - is that intentional? George II Dec 2015 #137

Sp don't look to government, look to more capitalism to make the poor better off??? Seriously? reformist2 Dec 2015 #3

I disagree with you but a good post Armstead Dec 2015 #4

Pickett and Wilkinson's "The Spirit Level" makes the counter argument Recursion Dec 2015 #5

Your point is entirely valid cosmicone Dec 2015 #8

"She wants to do redistribution as well" tazkcmo Dec 2015 #128

Read her economic plan. cosmicone Dec 2015 #132

Read my response. tazkcmo Dec 2015 #134

re: "90% tax sounds good until it creates no new jobs." thesquanderer Dec 2015 #146

1946 to 1964 was when US was a net exporter of goods by 6:1 margin cosmicone Dec 2015 #147

As noted, BS is NOT suggesting the 90%+ top rate of 1946-1964 thesquanderer Dec 2015 #155

I never suggested that marginal tax rates have an impact on export/import cosmicone Dec 2015 #156

No, but you said that today's different economy with its trade imbalance... thesquanderer Dec 2015 #157

Fair enough cosmicone Dec 2015 #158

are you being sarcastic, this is the same bullshit fantasy they have been selling for 40 years Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #7

This is not supply side cosmicone Dec 2015 #9

Yeah, actually you are talking TEXTBOOK supply-side economics, Cone Scootaloo Dec 2015 #28

It is not .. cosmicone Dec 2015 #29

I suspect you may not understand the subject too very well Scootaloo Dec 2015 #33

That is utterly ludicrous cosmicone Dec 2015 #58

You're making a supply-side argument Scootaloo Dec 2015 #61

I did not. Not every argument against Sanders' unicorns cosmicone Dec 2015 #70

No, not every argument against Sanders' proposals is supply-side economics. But this one is. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #73

It Worked Before... And Gave Us The Greatest Expansion Of The U.S. Economy For Over 40 years... WillyT Dec 2015 #10

Different economic times cosmicone Dec 2015 #11

Let's Give A Try...Start With A 75% Top Marginal Tax Rate... You Want A Break On Your Taxes ??? WillyT Dec 2015 #14

And Can You Please Explain Why This Wouldn't Work ??? WillyT Dec 2015 #15

Because Hillary isn't proposing it n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #22

And that's because we were Hell-Bent on making Germany and Japan big industrial export countries. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #110

Just curious - you're doing pretty well financially, eh? Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #12

There was a recent OP suggesting it is hard to get by on $250k!!!! JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #20

I saw that, whoa boy that was a wild one! Nt. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #52

A Republican message board, this is not. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #13

Linkless factless Op AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #16

Results of your jury... MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #34

Thin the skin is these days. What a lame alert. arcane1 Dec 2015 #38

Ooh! Ooh! I know... MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #39

You mean you cannot refute it without links? cosmicone Dec 2015 #75

Strange thing for you to say when your OP doesn't contain a single source or a y-axis unit. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #79

Could one in fact argue that the OP is projecting his own KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #106

It means you have no source AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #86

Muddled rubbish catnhatnh Dec 2015 #17

And "global, between country, and within country" have nothing to do with income brackets. arcane1 Dec 2015 #24

Ithink that might be the most delightfully surreal thing I've seen this week Scootaloo Dec 2015 #30

Sanders is pretty safe with that angle madville Dec 2015 #21

Exactly BainsBane Dec 2015 #27

It's only rhetoric as long as Democrats refuse to fight for it Armstead Dec 2015 #31

^^^ this ^^^ we have a lot of work to do but, I want Bernie leading the way. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #47

Fight for what exactly? BainsBane Dec 2015 #87

First of all.... Armstead Dec 2015 #122

He's unfit to lead. nt LexVegas Dec 2015 #23

Wait... MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #40

You must not have received the memo Kentonio Dec 2015 #113

Thank you for the dissertation on trickle-down economics, Cone Scootaloo Dec 2015 #26

I dare say that puts the issue at rest. Piketty can go home, his field is done. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #43

That is NOT trickle down economics and any statement to that effect is untrue cosmicone Dec 2015 #55

Re-phrasing the argument doesn't make the argument any different Scootaloo Dec 2015 #60

In either directon of tax rates cosmicone Dec 2015 #74

I'm not casting aspersions, I'm describing the argument you're using. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #85

Care to defend your chart??? catnhatnh Dec 2015 #32

Taking more money from the poor who are struggling already is not going to help them to care Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #35

Who is taking more money from the poor exactly? Kentonio Dec 2015 #114

The tax proposals. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #115

The ones that pay higher wages, then tax a tiny amount Kentonio Dec 2015 #123

Taking away from the struggling people is a burden. Terrible proposal. He has Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #125

Sorry Kentonio Dec 2015 #126

I am not worried, it will not happen. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #127

As an economist I agree completely JaneyVee Dec 2015 #36

True or False: MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #42

And we already had that kind of tax up until the 60's when it got dropped... cascadiance Dec 2015 #142

This explains the need for it, doesn't it? MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #164

As an economist, how can you agree without a y-axis unit or even a reference?? n/t JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #46

because she only plays one on the internet. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #48

Uh, no. It's my job. Accounting. Balancing budgets. What do you do? JaneyVee Dec 2015 #51

Accountant != "Economist" Matariki Dec 2015 #54

I have 2 economic degrees and I'm a UPM in the DGA union. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #56

And so you're arguing in favor of this nonsense OP Matariki Dec 2015 #59

Come now, she agrees with the OP! Despite having no idea what the y-axis represents! JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #63

Hey, be fair to JaneyVee! Scootaloo Dec 2015 #65

Milanovic!!! Matariki Dec 2015 #77

Where am I arguing? You seem to be the only one doing that. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #64

Picking on a word while ignoring the point is called deflection Matariki Dec 2015 #66

What exactly are you even talking about? Do you have a question for me? JaneyVee Dec 2015 #71

"As an economist I agree completely" Matariki Dec 2015 #80

I thought I made that obvious. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #83

I do math for a living and study finance and economics on the side. And I can assure you that JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #57

I have a much more extensive background than.. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #68

But anything with expert level knowledge of markets or macro type stuff? JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #76

Lets just say, I've dabbled in the stock market. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #82

Er, yeah, no, that's not going to suffice. Anybody with a little money can do that. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #84

This is almost as bizarre as the OP bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #105

I have 12 phd's and four nobel prizes! Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #139

I carry my astronaut application in my wallet. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #141

Nurses for Bernie. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #69

She stayed at a Holiday Inn Express don't cha know? blackspade Dec 2015 #91

huzzah! ibegurpard Dec 2015 #93

I'm referring to his economic policy, not the charts. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #49

Do you have experience/do research in the area of macroeconomics w/ graduate degrees(pref. PhD)? JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #67

Yes, I have 2 economic degrees. No, neither are PHDs. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #78

Got it. Yeah the thing I have heard is that you have to do the Ph.D. when you have no JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #81

Money comes from the US Department of the Treasury, and several mints and printers Scootaloo Dec 2015 #50

A qualification is to have a Ph.D (roughly), and no that is not an exaggeration. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #62

The other day you said you would vote for Trump if Sanders was the nominee AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #88

As chairman of the fed I disagree. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #130

An actual economist says "um no". Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #144

Bet I can guess what tax bracket you are in. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #45

Fess up, this is David Koch's secret DU account, right? Matariki Dec 2015 #53

As a consummate liberal, I find your characterization insulting cosmicone Dec 2015 #95

Making stuff up doesn't make you a "messenger" Matariki Dec 2015 #101

So what does that make you cosmicone Dec 2015 #102

you post a defense of the status quo, this neoliberal thatcherite nightmare we are stuck in Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #154

And they STILL won't own up to their fake chart. arcane1 Dec 2015 #161

LMAO! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #109

Oh Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #72

That is not relevant cosmicone Dec 2015 #97

Kick & highly recommended! William769 Dec 2015 #89

A ridiculous counterfactual post. blackspade Dec 2015 #90

just to clarify one of your points restorefreedom Dec 2015 #92

Then why bring up billionaires? cosmicone Dec 2015 #94

becsuse the billionaires are the problem. restorefreedom Dec 2015 #96

You think all billionaires hide their money offshore? cosmicone Dec 2015 #98

then i guess the 20 trillion restorefreedom Dec 2015 #99

That money is owned by companies - not by individuals cosmicone Dec 2015 #100

Amazing Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #103

They may not be by themselves cosmicone Dec 2015 #104

A full THIRD of Americans have NO retirement income zigby Dec 2015 #166

both corps and individuals restorefreedom Dec 2015 #129

I am trying to get sympathy for poor people cosmicone Dec 2015 #131

ahhh so you are a fan of trickle down restorefreedom Dec 2015 #136

You are exactly correct... Sancho Dec 2015 #120

Is that a worldwide chart? Eric J in MN Dec 2015 #107

2 ops from a place of privilege about Bernie being "disingenuous"...oh, I get it. It's today's word! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #108

The 1 % is starting to clutch its pearls. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #111

Eeek! Bernie's gonna take my yacht and give it to a homeless guy! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author aikoaiko Dec 2015 #116

I don't have faith in this pro-Wall Street plan. aikoaiko Dec 2015 #117

Great OP...and Bernie is missing the boat on some other points. Thanks cosmicone ! Sancho Dec 2015 #119

Baffling bullshit. GeorgeGist Dec 2015 #121

more ridiculous crap probably passed to the true believers by hills handlers bowens43 Dec 2015 #133

Thank you. However, I don't need spoon-feeding cosmicone Dec 2015 #135

It is seriously baffling to see people defending Reaganonmics in this thread. Matariki Dec 2015 #143

"Whatever It Takes" is the unofficial campaign slogan. arcane1 Dec 2015 #150

The Massachusetts Bay Colony made it illegal to feed indentured servants lobster Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #140

lobster used to be 'prison food'. Matariki Dec 2015 #152

Your "zero sum game" premise is plain wrong. thesquanderer Dec 2015 #145

Thank you for a well-thought-out post cosmicone Dec 2015 #151

42% is the sweet spot? I'm not sure everyone agrees... thesquanderer Dec 2015 #159

Hillary supporters: the new Tax Protesters and "Reagan Democrats". Romulox Dec 2015 #149

The economy designed by and for the billionaires IS a zero-sum game. OPfail. Orsino Dec 2015 #153

When will we DARE TO QUESTION ECONOMIC GROWTH Ron Green Dec 2015 #165