2016 Postmortem

chknltl

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75. First contention: not debate with Dragonfli

Mon Dec 14, 2015, 03:24 PM

Dec 2015

I admire your work and recognize that in any debate I would be horribly outmatched anyway. I listen in often to Ring Of Fire. When Mike Papantonio(sp?-now I am being lazy because I am at home on my computer), described himself politically his definition distinctly caught my attention. He almost sounded angry when he made the claim that he was not a Democrat-that he was instead an Independent. Now barring definitions of the Political description 'Progressive', I would agree with you that Mike is every bit the Progressive you say he is but the problem I am having is the fact that most of us ARE 'barring definitions' when it comes to the word Progressive. I swear my intention is not to be a nit-picker but how would we describe Pap-is he a Bernie Sanders Progressive or a Teddy Roosevelt Progressive or would he not even describe himself as a Progressive at all? The fact that he describes himself as an Independent works for me, I'm more OK with calling him what he calls himself than calling him something I think he is.

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Ring of Fire Video about Hillary Clinton's Legacy As Secretary of State [View all] Dragonfli Dec 2015 OP

to the swarm, anything that's not for Hillary is "right wing" Doctor_J Dec 2015 #1

Soon the only official left wing site will be Correct The Record LOL. /nt Dragonfli Dec 2015 #2

I remember epic meltdowns here when Correct the Record R B Garr Dec 2015 #15

Could you refer me to those? I missed the ruckus as I make it a point to generally avoid DU during Dragonfli Dec 2015 #22

:crickets: BeanMusical Dec 2015 #48

and videos of her own quotes MisterP Dec 2015 #42

Dave Sirota works for Bernie Sanders. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #3

Probably paid for by Sanders, it isnt going to help the cause, this crap rolls off of Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #6

Like, how are they going to walk this back if she's the nominee? JaneyVee Dec 2015 #8

No need to "walk it back" if there is nothing to hide Dragonfli Dec 2015 #11

Telling only one side of the story is cherry picking. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #12

Which gives you the perfect opportunity to tell the other side of the story Dragonfli Dec 2015 #16

What is the other side of the story? BeanMusical Dec 2015 #50

HINT: Primaries are for the purpose of weeding-out candidates who are unelectable in the GE 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #14

Cruz's chances of winning the Republican primary are improving by the day. Broward Dec 2015 #25

What you say re: Cruz appears to be true 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #41

Let's see; President Santorum, President Huckabee redstateblues Dec 2015 #66

The Primary race is about choices, to make choices well one must be informed about the candidates Dragonfli Dec 2015 #7

All this BS is not going to work cosmicone Dec 2015 #10

Just because you don't care doesn't mean nobody else cares. Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #24

Only in the world of ponies, unicorns and rainbows n/t cosmicone Dec 2015 #27

I agree with Motown_Johnny. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #54

So, because you care others must care also? Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #74

I think you nailed it, Conservatives, no matter the party, tend to have that same trait in common /n Dragonfli Dec 2015 #82

So do you believe there are Hillary supporters here that INdemo Dec 2015 #17

I believe that is "worked for" not "works for". Past tense, not present. Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #23

+1 Absolutely. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #59

Why do you keep "trashing our side" then, Janey? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #62

And nauseating. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #65

Siorta hasn't worked for Sanders in more than a decade. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #70

Truth exposure kick. 99Forever Dec 2015 #4

Meh cosmicone Dec 2015 #5

One can not create what already exists, tho one may wish to try to hide from it. /nt Dragonfli Dec 2015 #9

Anything can be created taking several things out of context cosmicone Dec 2015 #13

Then put them in context! Fight the good fight. Dragonfli Dec 2015 #18

Meh .. not necessary cosmicone Dec 2015 #28

What about the General Election? Do you think the RW will just concede? /nt Dragonfli Dec 2015 #33

They won't concede but they won't have their usual tools against Hillary cosmicone Dec 2015 #38

I only wish someday that a woman of character will have the opportunity to lead the way Dragonfli Dec 2015 #40

I doubt your daughters/gd will struggle any more or less... thesquanderer Dec 2015 #52

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Bill Clinton couldn't even persuade the voters of his home state to re-elect Blanche Lincoln Art_from_Ark Dec 2015 #79

Can't get traction on his own? Omaha Steve Dec 2015 #43

Your definition of "the fringe" seems pretty large sometimes Armstead Dec 2015 #29

It is actually quite narrow cosmicone Dec 2015 #34

I tried it (not this one, but a different one) several weeks ago. Honestly ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #19

Corrupt to the core. (nt) Ino Dec 2015 #20

Even the left RandySF Dec 2015 #21

Fringe Left actually has more in my opinion n/t cosmicone Dec 2015 #30

Nothing in that Ring of Fire video is speculation or fabrication, face the facts. 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #31

Or people who don't support, platitudes, Poetry, and Coronations . orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #37

K&R MissDeeds Dec 2015 #26

HRC Is A Pawn Of the Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks That Pay For Her Campaign cantbeserious Dec 2015 #32

The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary... SidDithers Dec 2015 #35

And the corporate core adores her..... daleanime Dec 2015 #45

Lol! BeanMusical Dec 2015 #64

Over $1.5 millions from just Goldman-Sachs and Citibank..... daleanime Dec 2015 #67

+1 BeanMusical Dec 2015 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author Broward Dec 2015 #46

And her and the Dom are Dopplegangers . n/t orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #36

K&R Paka Dec 2015 #39

We need to know more..... daleanime Dec 2015 #44

Host is an Independent chknltl Dec 2015 #47

It is a Progressive show and he is a Progressive host. /nt Dragonfli Dec 2015 #49

Unless my ears fail me... chknltl Dec 2015 #51

What is your contention? I am curious as I have followed his work since the Bush years Dragonfli Dec 2015 #53

First contention: not debate with Dragonfli chknltl Dec 2015 #75

Understandable that you are concerned with the definition of progressive, especially since the DLC Dragonfli Dec 2015 #80

Perhaps it is just me but I don't truly know what Progressive means today. chknltl Dec 2015 #90

Kick and R BeanMusical Dec 2015 #55

Thnx for Successfully Posting tea and oranges Dec 2015 #56

The corruption runs wide and deep and in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #58

I'd guess it's one step further. 99Forever Dec 2015 #63

If it walks like a duck....... nc4bo Dec 2015 #60

She's deeply imbedded ... it will come out. Better now, while we still have a strong libdem4life Dec 2015 #61

I have expressed similar concerns to Hillary supporters in this thread, trying to encourage them Dragonfli Dec 2015 #76

Power for the sole purpose of self enrichment. She'll make a great President FlatBaroque Dec 2015 #68

Corrupt to the core. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #69

Uh-Oh. The baggage car is leaking again. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #72

Kick for TRUTH! n/t in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #73

This story seems to be getting fredamae Dec 2015 #77

Thankyou this needs to come out now before it's too late azurnoir Dec 2015 #78

Absolutely. nt mother earth Dec 2015 #81

Is this Faux pas Dec 2015 #83

It is many things, a lawyer would have to sort your question Dragonfli Dec 2015 #84

Well said Faux pas Dec 2015 #89

I am not a crook! BeanMusical Dec 2015 #85

Thread winner !! libdem4life Dec 2015 #86

kickin it Ino Dec 2015 #87

just a little bit. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #88