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Dragonfli

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80. Understandable that you are concerned with the definition of progressive, especially since the DLC
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 04:04 PM
Dec 2015

has been trying to co-opt the word for their rather regressive economic values based on some of their moderately progressive social values.

I should find a better word, I could use liberal, but the same problem is contained in that word as well, neo-liberalism favors the privatization of the commons and most of the good things that government had been doing post FDR. They also believe strongly in globalization to reach a level playing field, they would say it is to bring standards up globally, but by all evidence thus far it results instead in a race to the bottom where all workers lose for the betterment of the Oligarchs. The DLC types are neo-liberals but describe themselves as liberal.

I wish we had better words. If it helps I use a definition like this when I use Progressive:
(of a group, person, or idea) favoring or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas.
"a relatively progressive governor"
An attempt to progress the society in a positive way, not just for the few, but for the majority, so when I use the word, that is the way I use it.

When i say Papantonio appears to me to be a progressive, it is using that definition, that being said, it is only my impression, you of course may have your own and you should follow your own instincts.

My thought was (an inexcusably defensive one) that you were , like many on this site, attempting to imply, or paint the source as libertarian, somehow right wing, or with an agenda unfavorable to the party and to the (excuse the word) progressives that listen to him. I no longer think that was or is your intention, I am glad you responded to me.

Edited to add: Many journalists like to maintain their independence from any political party, at least where it concerns their work. Nadin does so as well, it would seem a natural reaction to me for a journalist to be forceful in expressing such independence, if they did not, they would lose all credibility as an objective observer and reporter. That may account for his forceful tone, someone may have been trying to brand him as impartial because "Democrat", he would be a fool to allow that to happen.

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to the swarm, anything that's not for Hillary is "right wing" Doctor_J Dec 2015 #1
Soon the only official left wing site will be Correct The Record LOL. /nt Dragonfli Dec 2015 #2
I remember epic meltdowns here when Correct the Record R B Garr Dec 2015 #15
Could you refer me to those? I missed the ruckus as I make it a point to generally avoid DU during Dragonfli Dec 2015 #22
:crickets: BeanMusical Dec 2015 #48
and videos of her own quotes MisterP Dec 2015 #42
Dave Sirota works for Bernie Sanders. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #3
Probably paid for by Sanders, it isnt going to help the cause, this crap rolls off of Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #6
Like, how are they going to walk this back if she's the nominee? JaneyVee Dec 2015 #8
No need to "walk it back" if there is nothing to hide Dragonfli Dec 2015 #11
Telling only one side of the story is cherry picking. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #12
Which gives you the perfect opportunity to tell the other side of the story Dragonfli Dec 2015 #16
What is the other side of the story? BeanMusical Dec 2015 #50
HINT: Primaries are for the purpose of weeding-out candidates who are unelectable in the GE 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #14
Cruz's chances of winning the Republican primary are improving by the day. Broward Dec 2015 #25
What you say re: Cruz appears to be true 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #41
Let's see; President Santorum, President Huckabee redstateblues Dec 2015 #66
The Primary race is about choices, to make choices well one must be informed about the candidates Dragonfli Dec 2015 #7
All this BS is not going to work cosmicone Dec 2015 #10
Just because you don't care doesn't mean nobody else cares. Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #24
Only in the world of ponies, unicorns and rainbows n/t cosmicone Dec 2015 #27
I agree with Motown_Johnny. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #54
So, because you care others must care also? Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #74
I think you nailed it, Conservatives, no matter the party, tend to have that same trait in common /n Dragonfli Dec 2015 #82
So do you believe there are Hillary supporters here that INdemo Dec 2015 #17
I believe that is "worked for" not "works for". Past tense, not present. Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #23
+1 Absolutely. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #59
Why do you keep "trashing our side" then, Janey? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #62
And nauseating. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #65
Siorta hasn't worked for Sanders in more than a decade. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #70
Truth exposure kick. 99Forever Dec 2015 #4
Meh cosmicone Dec 2015 #5
One can not create what already exists, tho one may wish to try to hide from it. /nt Dragonfli Dec 2015 #9
Anything can be created taking several things out of context cosmicone Dec 2015 #13
Then put them in context! Fight the good fight. Dragonfli Dec 2015 #18
Meh .. not necessary cosmicone Dec 2015 #28
What about the General Election? Do you think the RW will just concede? /nt Dragonfli Dec 2015 #33
They won't concede but they won't have their usual tools against Hillary cosmicone Dec 2015 #38
I only wish someday that a woman of character will have the opportunity to lead the way Dragonfli Dec 2015 #40
I doubt your daughters/gd will struggle any more or less... thesquanderer Dec 2015 #52
Hate to burst your little "meh" party, but people are not coming to Bill's events. They libdem4life Dec 2015 #57
Bill Clinton couldn't even persuade the voters of his home state to re-elect Blanche Lincoln Art_from_Ark Dec 2015 #79
Can't get traction on his own? Omaha Steve Dec 2015 #43
Your definition of "the fringe" seems pretty large sometimes Armstead Dec 2015 #29
It is actually quite narrow cosmicone Dec 2015 #34
I tried it (not this one, but a different one) several weeks ago. Honestly ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #19
Corrupt to the core. (nt) Ino Dec 2015 #20
Even the left RandySF Dec 2015 #21
Fringe Left actually has more in my opinion n/t cosmicone Dec 2015 #30
Nothing in that Ring of Fire video is speculation or fabrication, face the facts. 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #31
Or people who don't support, platitudes, Poetry, and Coronations . orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #37
K&R MissDeeds Dec 2015 #26
HRC Is A Pawn Of the Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks That Pay For Her Campaign cantbeserious Dec 2015 #32
The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary... SidDithers Dec 2015 #35
And the corporate core adores her..... daleanime Dec 2015 #45
Lol! BeanMusical Dec 2015 #64
Over $1.5 millions from just Goldman-Sachs and Citibank..... daleanime Dec 2015 #67
+1 BeanMusical Dec 2015 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author Broward Dec 2015 #46
And her and the Dom are Dopplegangers . n/t orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #36
K&R Paka Dec 2015 #39
We need to know more..... daleanime Dec 2015 #44
Host is an Independent chknltl Dec 2015 #47
It is a Progressive show and he is a Progressive host. /nt Dragonfli Dec 2015 #49
Unless my ears fail me... chknltl Dec 2015 #51
What is your contention? I am curious as I have followed his work since the Bush years Dragonfli Dec 2015 #53
First contention: not debate with Dragonfli chknltl Dec 2015 #75
Understandable that you are concerned with the definition of progressive, especially since the DLC Dragonfli Dec 2015 #80
Perhaps it is just me but I don't truly know what Progressive means today. chknltl Dec 2015 #90
Kick and R BeanMusical Dec 2015 #55
Thnx for Successfully Posting tea and oranges Dec 2015 #56
The corruption runs wide and deep and in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #58
I'd guess it's one step further. 99Forever Dec 2015 #63
If it walks like a duck....... nc4bo Dec 2015 #60
She's deeply imbedded ... it will come out. Better now, while we still have a strong libdem4life Dec 2015 #61
I have expressed similar concerns to Hillary supporters in this thread, trying to encourage them Dragonfli Dec 2015 #76
Power for the sole purpose of self enrichment. She'll make a great President FlatBaroque Dec 2015 #68
Corrupt to the core. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #69
Uh-Oh. The baggage car is leaking again. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #72
Kick for TRUTH! n/t in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #73
This story seems to be getting fredamae Dec 2015 #77
Thankyou this needs to come out now before it's too late azurnoir Dec 2015 #78
Absolutely. nt mother earth Dec 2015 #81
Is this Faux pas Dec 2015 #83
It is many things, a lawyer would have to sort your question Dragonfli Dec 2015 #84
Well said Faux pas Dec 2015 #89
I am not a crook! BeanMusical Dec 2015 #85
Thread winner !! libdem4life Dec 2015 #86
kickin it Ino Dec 2015 #87
just a little bit. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #88
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