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The Velveteen Ocelot

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20. So I'm confused. Are you saying that Clinton is not allowed to be criticized

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:44 PM

Dec 2015

by the liberal wing of the party for any reason unless a disclaimer is included to the effect that she's still better than the Republicans, and unless this is done, said criticism is a "smear"? I don't think so. In the context of primary elections it seems to me that the various candidates are subject to fair and reasonable criticism regarding their positions and past actions. It goes without saying that the GOPers are worse.

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Can someone please explain to me the difference between: [View all] Cary Dec 2015 OP

IMO, she is one of them. Hepburn Dec 2015 #1

That's not an answer to my question. n/t Cary Dec 2015 #2

I believe it is. Hepburn Dec 2015 #5

bullshit VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #9

Her poll numbers show nothing more than people recognize the name. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #17

"She is hated" is not a fact, as pointed out to you by others Cary Dec 2015 #36

Your game.... daleanime Dec 2015 #152

Do you ever say anything other than BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #137

I realize that you are deeply invested in this cultish thinking Cary Dec 2015 #159

I'll elaborate Cary Dec 2015 #3

OK...fine... Hepburn Dec 2015 #10

when are you going to start? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #11

What part of "It's NOT a smear to tell the truth" did you not understand? nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #26

Still not an answer. Cary Dec 2015 #37

Guess you don't get it. Hepburn Dec 2015 #53

I don't think so. Cary Dec 2015 #56

The former is bs; whereas, the latter is ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #4

I feel for the OP, the sad thing about all this is actual liberals are scared to death randys1 Dec 2015 #16

You are EXACTLY right! Bernie supporters here R B Garr Dec 2015 #42

Ha! Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #104

None... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #6

+1 Skidmore Dec 2015 #22

Thank you. A simple answer to a simple question. Cary Dec 2015 #38

If that's "all you've heard"... 99Forever Dec 2015 #7

Please define "smear" for me notadmblnd Dec 2015 #8

Anything short of blind devotion. Scuba Dec 2015 #13

That's pretty much what I was thinking. notadmblnd Dec 2015 #15

Here's your answer. Everything posted about upaloopa Dec 2015 #29

I hope you were looking in a mirror as you typed that. notadmblnd Dec 2015 #32

Is this a serious response? This is what is actually believed? n/t JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #66

Speaking for myself not belief but known upaloopa Dec 2015 #68

No, I think a smear is something designed to make someone look bad without any particular relevance Cary Dec 2015 #39

No one can make someone else look bad notadmblnd Dec 2015 #41

Nice philosophy but not true. Cary Dec 2015 #51

Those were lies, and no, they did not make Kerry look bad notadmblnd Dec 2015 #64

The conservative smears are smears. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2015 #12

Nobody on the left would ever criticize Hillary in respect to running for WH without including randys1 Dec 2015 #18

So I'm confused. Are you saying that Clinton is not allowed to be criticized The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2015 #20

You know exactly what I mean, you have seen the hundreds, possibly thousands of not posts randys1 Dec 2015 #25

Half truths, sure. And thanks for the thoughtful answer. Cary Dec 2015 #40

Poll numbers. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #14

Accurately quoting Clinton or accurately stating her history is not a smear. jeff47 Dec 2015 #19

You forgot to put quotation marks around "liberal" in your second option. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #21

I don't see why I need quotations around the word liberal Cary Dec 2015 #43

How do you define a conservative smear? Your question cannot be answered with that definition. arcane1 Dec 2015 #23

Are you equating criticism with smears? Ino Dec 2015 #24

I guess this means you can't answer the simple question. Cary Dec 2015 #44

Geez, I can't keep up with your non sequiturs... Ino Dec 2015 #69

Yes, yes. Cary Dec 2015 #70

#2 isn't really liberals, they are either... giftedgirl77 Dec 2015 #27

Or they are true Liberals UglyGreed Dec 2015 #31

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #33

HMMM UglyGreed Dec 2015 #34

& let's say ppl that constantly bitch about everything democrats giftedgirl77 Dec 2015 #92

Been here since UglyGreed Dec 2015 #97

Textbook example of a smear right there. frylock Dec 2015 #87

Oooh, because we must like everyone right? giftedgirl77 Dec 2015 #90

You made very specific accusations that have no basis in reality. frylock Dec 2015 #94

Oh, you're talking about my initial post. giftedgirl77 Dec 2015 #95

Have a lovely day. frylock Dec 2015 #96

Still I'm giving them the benefit of that doubt, for the purpose of my questions Cary Dec 2015 #45

Lol, what's that? That it's the big bad democrats fault? giftedgirl77 Dec 2015 #93

The difference: It's called a PRIMARY Election, to elect a party nominee. 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #28

sure... HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #30

"liberal" v. "conservative" is so '90's tularetom Dec 2015 #35

That's funny. Could you tell this to the radical righties? Cary Dec 2015 #47

Because attacking Hillary from the left is a conservative smear. Broward Dec 2015 #46

Hmmm. Cary Dec 2015 #48

Because the Bernie supporters have made this R B Garr Dec 2015 #49

Thanks. Cary Dec 2015 #54

Understandable, but not worth it as you can see R B Garr Dec 2015 #156

Very, very familiar Cary Dec 2015 #160

What's a "conservative" smear? demwing Dec 2015 #50

There is an old saying in my business... Cary Dec 2015 #52

Wow, what a failure demwing Dec 2015 #57

Yep...totally agree and thank you Admin for the Ignore feature! n/t Hepburn Dec 2015 #59

No. I'm looking for honest answers. Cary Dec 2015 #62

If you are looking for honest answers you should ask honest questions. Kalidurga Dec 2015 #154

Exactly. They are a waste of time. n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #80

"if you're explaining, you're losing" - isn't that a Ronald Reagan quote? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #58

Nope. Trial lawyers. n/t Cary Dec 2015 #61

Google puts it in reagan's mouth. Oh well, either way it's a con artist strategy Scootaloo Dec 2015 #65

It has nothing to do with a con. Cary Dec 2015 #74

And if you Google properly you will find more. n/t Cary Dec 2015 #75

Your argument supposes all criticism of Clinton to be "conservative smears." Scootaloo Dec 2015 #55

Except I didn't make an argument. I asked a question. Cary Dec 2015 #60

You made a positive assertion and misused a question mark Scootaloo Dec 2015 #63

Amazing Cary Dec 2015 #72

They are not, they are the mirror image of each other. Beacool Dec 2015 #67

and yet, here you are demwing Dec 2015 #105

Well, someone other than Sanders' supporters better be here. Beacool Dec 2015 #145

The vast majority of liberal criticism of Hillary is fRom a liberal pov cali Dec 2015 #71

Believe it or not I wasn't trying to provoke anyone here. Cary Dec 2015 #73

Wait. You think my post was hostile? Wow. It was completely respectful. cali Dec 2015 #77

No. I said clearly your post was thoughtful and thanked you. Cary Dec 2015 #79

I am trying to discuss something with you. Cary Dec 2015 #81

Oh please, the criticism of Hillary here is nothing compared to the nasty smears against Bernie. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #76

Ok, but am I guilty of this? Cary Dec 2015 #78

So it's okay for you to smear all of us without proof but you don't want to be associated with them? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #86

I have no idea what you think you're talking about Cary Dec 2015 #88

"Go find someone else to troll." Funny, that's what we've been telling you. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #89

I haven't seen an elbow drop like that since Wrestlemania III - well done! nt. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #98

LOL! Complaining about the response to their op? Priceless! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #99

??? Cary Dec 2015 #110

"What on earth are you babbling about?"* We're asking you the same thing. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #111

Whatever. Cary Dec 2015 #115

'in there with you in that head?'* You're the one talking to yourself. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #116

is that right? n/t Cary Dec 2015 #118

Yes, chamomile is good although my mom used to make a nice mint tea. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #119

You don't say? n/t Cary Dec 2015 #120

I do say! :) beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #121

is that right? n/t Cary Dec 2015 #122

mmm hmmmm beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #123

You don't say? n/t Cary Dec 2015 #126

lol wendylaroux Dec 2015 #166

lol Dem2 Dec 2015 #167

Well done? Cary Dec 2015 #168

You said it Dem2 Dec 2015 #169

Yes, an exercise in stupidity Cary Dec 2015 #170

OUTSTANDING! merrily Dec 2015 #107

Thank you, merrily! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #127

is that right? n/t Cary Dec 2015 #128

Reading through this mess of a thread Trajan Dec 2015 #82

^^this demwing Dec 2015 #83

So what? Cary Dec 2015 #85

you had you chance at civil discourse with me demwing Dec 2015 #103

liar, there was never any such chance Cary Dec 2015 #108

You're accusing yourself of 'trolling' your own thread now? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #112

Whatever. Cary Dec 2015 #113

"Get a life" Maybe you should take your own advice? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #114

You don't say? n/t Cary Dec 2015 #124

I was going to alert on that Mnpaul Dec 2015 #148

Maybe they should alert on themselves! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #149

Good idea Mnpaul Dec 2015 #150

Someone already alerted on one of my posts where all I did was repeat the op's own words. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #151

I guess that is the last refuge when you are losing Mnpaul Dec 2015 #153

'Go find someone else to troll' = asking a question in good faith* beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #155

This is the very first of these particular pissing matches that I have been sucked into Cary Dec 2015 #161

Project much? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #162

Dude. I have to keep reminding you that you came to me. Cary Dec 2015 #164

Yes, and check the post count on that one R B Garr Dec 2015 #174

I can't see your post count on this interface Cary Dec 2015 #175

Oh good grief. Cary Dec 2015 #84

If you can't figure that one out on your own, there's no use explaining the difference Armstead Dec 2015 #91

Or not. Cary Dec 2015 #102

Liberals are smearing Hillary Clinton with "conservative" smears? Autumn Dec 2015 #100

As of this post: 1454 views, 108 replies, 4 recs merrily Dec 2015 #109

I believe I have the record. Cary Dec 2015 #117

If someone at DU has policy differences with the Clinton Campaign and expresses them here, guillaumeb Dec 2015 #101

Is that ALL that ever happens? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #131

Sure. Here's an example. HassleCat Dec 2015 #106

That is NOT an example of the smears and vitriol VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #132

I can't figure out what you mean HassleCat Dec 2015 #171

Sure you can VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #172

I think I get it, but I also think you're wrong. HassleCat Dec 2015 #173

Please give examples of these "smears". Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #125

It's all crap. Cary Dec 2015 #130

Sorry you feel that way, but your OP was very broad in scope. Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #136

I'm sorry I feel this way too. Cary Dec 2015 #138

I think your OP was in error Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #139

That doesn't excuse the response. n/t Cary Dec 2015 #140

Well, your OP was offensive. Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #142

There was nothing wrong with my question. Cary Dec 2015 #143

Or don't answer. That too is always a civil option. Cary Dec 2015 #144

how about the e-mails? Chitown Kev Dec 2015 #134

No, he said he was tired of hearing about those damned emails. Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #135

Big picture people dont see the differences between Bernie and HIllary and exploit randys1 Dec 2015 #129

Spot on! eom BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #133

I don't care about personalities. I care about policies. n/t Cary Dec 2015 #141

I care about policies. AlbertCat Dec 2015 #146

And I've seen this movie before... Cary Dec 2015 #147

One of the funniest threads I've seen here Kentonio Dec 2015 #157

I posted a video of her speech from CSPAN and was accused of editing it. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #158

I don't know anything about that. Cary Dec 2015 #165

There's nothing to explain Rebkeh Dec 2015 #163