2016 Postmortem

Bluenorthwest

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57. And yet Bill did DOMA, which said others have no right to such spousal privilege.

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 12:44 PM

Dec 2015

Makes that line of argument seem extremely selective. DOMA represented a hugely moralistic, black and white view of marriage, did it not? It was all about outsiders having the right to control other couple's decisions, was it not? Why do you feel that some adults have such rights but others only have them if the majority says so?
If Bill and Hillary could back DOMA, and thus judge millions of other couples, they can not righteously claim that the privileges of marriage are for themselves sacrosanct. They can not have the cake and also eat the cake. The way you treat others, that's how you get treated according to the religion they say they believe so devoutly, the faith Hillary openly says she shares with Rick Warren as she praises all the good he does in his church for some pander points.

Hillary recently defended Bill's DOMA actions. Had she not done so, I'd not be mentioning this today. But she did. Cake and eat it too.

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YouGov Poll: Hillary Clinton Is MOST Dishonest And Untrustworthy Candidate [View all] Segami Dec 2015 OP

When you edge out assTrumpet for dishonesty you're doing it wrong. nt. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #1

Imagine that.... Segami Dec 2015 #3

She Old Codger Dec 2015 #75

I agree. That's an undeniable part of it. forest444 Dec 2015 #77

Yes...some is gnerated by the Media, bvar22 Dec 2015 #117

True that. forest444 Dec 2015 #119

There will be a female President one day. Aerows Dec 2015 #136

Right. She has a long, public, track record of dishonesty. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #94

Hillary has a long track of honestly: She is the cleanest person in politics lewebley3 Dec 2015 #100

Your assertion isn't borne out in these poll numbers. You might be Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #103

My assertion is born out in every other poll: The American's want Hillary lewebley3 Dec 2015 #105

No. They don't. Voice for Peace Dec 2015 #132

On real Clear poltics HIllary is leading everywhere lewebley3 Dec 2015 #156

The poll numbers reflect a perception formed during decades of right wing propaganda. Nitram Dec 2015 #121

If Hillary has lost any numbers on dishonesty: its because Sanders people are telling lewebley3 Dec 2015 #158

Right. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #159

Oh, then why did she just lie about her $150,000 O&G lobbyist donations? Tote Life Dec 2015 #146

If Hillary lied about anything she will be invesitgate by the press and the GOP lewebley3 Dec 2015 #155

Compared Old Codger Dec 2015 #140

Months of fake email scandals. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #2

One would correctly assume that Dem Ind Rep would include Republicans, as well. libdem4life Dec 2015 #8

You make it obvious that you never even read it. Way to stay informed about the candidates. n/t A Simple Game Dec 2015 #62

We have to live in reality. Hillary, no matter how much you like her, is not a realistic candidate. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #89

Hillary is only realist Candidate: Hillary is her own person: No one owns Hillary lewebley3 Dec 2015 #102

The polls that measure the trust and honesty factors are the ones that count the most. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #113

Prisetly, you need to face reality. No matter how much you dislike her, Clinton is the best candidat Nitram Dec 2015 #123

Americans, in general, do not trust Hillary. That makes them vulnerable to believing utter JDPriestly Dec 2015 #124

The primary is but a puppy, the GE a far off goal. Nitram Dec 2015 #127

Your answer is a poll-driven answer Tote Life Dec 2015 #147

She brought this on herself. 840high Dec 2015 #93

High, that's like saying the victims of McCarthyism brought it on themselves. Nitram Dec 2015 #128

nah - no comparison. Hillary thinks 840high Dec 2015 #142

Well... kenfrequed Dec 2015 #148

Hillary had the "honesty" problem... bvar22 Dec 2015 #137

K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #4

Bernie leads the pack as most trustworthy; Hillary limpin' in DEAD LAST! Divernan Dec 2015 #5

This will change once Bernie Sanders conceids and endorses Hillary moobu2 Dec 2015 #6

Yes, it's Bernie's fault and all of his Superpowerful DU supporters. Just happened libdem4life Dec 2015 #11

Of course you spent the 08 primary saying Obama can't win. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #51

Reply for the sole purpose of being able to come back to it later FlatBaroque Dec 2015 #64

Me Too! bvar22 Dec 2015 #138

Wow! I feel bad when I hold President Obama's feet to the fire like he asked us to do. A Simple Game Dec 2015 #73

They are the ones that leave me scratching my head.... blackspade Dec 2015 #81

Talk about "relentless attacks" arcane1 Dec 2015 #133

Wow... kenfrequed Dec 2015 #150

No, it's Mrs. Clinton's 30 years in the public eye. earthside Dec 2015 #59

once Bernie Sanders conceids and endorses Hillary AlbertCat Dec 2015 #70

No kidding. Jackilope Dec 2015 #82

Personally, I would like to see some voting..... blackspade Dec 2015 #85

The right wing has done their job well. Nitram Dec 2015 #7

Oh please Robbins Dec 2015 #12

War mongering? Wall Street ties? Selling out the safety net? Please! Nitram Dec 2015 #14

Yep, Monica Lewinsky was a TOTAL lie. Hepburn Dec 2015 #20

What does Hillary Clinton have to do with a lie about Monica Lewinsky? Guilt by association? Nitram Dec 2015 #27

Ask me if I would have stood by my LYING husband and played dutiful wife? Hepburn Dec 2015 #38

That is betweeen a husband and a wife when it happens. Nitram Dec 2015 #47

And yet Bill did DOMA, which said others have no right to such spousal privilege. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #57

I fail to see how the choice to work out problems in your marriage is related to DOMA. Nitram Dec 2015 #78

Hillary made it between husband, wife and our nation. Hepburn Dec 2015 #97

Hepburn, there's a reason spouses do not have to testify against each other in court. Nitram Dec 2015 #110

Again: When you have some facts, let me know and we will talk. Hepburn Dec 2015 #139

Again, give me evidence that Clinton covered up her husband's affair and we will talk. Nitram Dec 2015 #153

It wasn't between the wife and husband in the 2008 campaign. bvar22 Dec 2015 #129

I agree, BVAR. nt Nitram Dec 2015 #130

That is a very poor thing to say upaloopa Dec 2015 #58

We aren't talking about "a husband". We are talking about Bill Clinton. Laser102 Dec 2015 #87

Yeah, that smile on her face as she greeted the children on the runway. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #45

being under sniper fire Lazy Daisy Dec 2015 #99

let's see Robbins Dec 2015 #46

We have her donor lists... kenfrequed Dec 2015 #151

'Sniper fire at the airport' & 'dead broke' when leaving white house were self inflicted wounds peacebird Dec 2015 #16

Pretty dim proof of war mongering and lying. Nitram Dec 2015 #19

So being warned and saying falsely she was under fire are the same thing? Hepburn Dec 2015 #22

I didn't say they were the same thing. I wrote that she exaggerated. Did you get that far? Nitram Dec 2015 #29

So not telling the truth is merely an exaggeration and not a lie? Hepburn Dec 2015 #44

In a life and death situation the line gets fuzzier. Nitram Dec 2015 #67

Are you claiming Bosnia was a life and death situation? Ino Dec 2015 #114

Potentially, yes. Nitram Dec 2015 #131

You said a lot of things... Ino Dec 2015 #141

You've said this several times now... Ino Dec 2015 #76

Ino, thanks for adding another factor. Sleep deprivation and stress. Nitram Dec 2015 #80

If a little sleep deprivation and stress cause her to make exagerations, she has no business running Bubzer Dec 2015 #95

Bubzer, now you're exaggerating. Nitram Dec 2015 #108

Would I change your mind about him? Depends on the context. Bubzer Dec 2015 #120

Not would you change MY mind. Would you change YOUR mind? nt Nitram Dec 2015 #126

She lied to give herself some combat/foreign experience. Ino Dec 2015 #101

Well, that's obviously false. Nitram Dec 2015 #107

You need to read beyond the headline. Ino Dec 2015 #111

Well I guess Brian Williams should get a pass? blackspade Dec 2015 #90

So Hillary had good reason to fear for her safety? If that is so answer this question for me. A Simple Game Dec 2015 #104

Simple, I've lived in countries where terrorist attacks were a regular occurence. Nitram Dec 2015 #109

You think this exaggeration benefited Hillary? Maybe you should give it another think. A Simple Game Dec 2015 #112

War mongering? Where did I mention that in my post? I just said they were self inflicted wounds peacebird Dec 2015 #25

Peacebird, my reply was ddirected to Robbins. nt Nitram Dec 2015 #31

Ok, thx! peacebird Dec 2015 #34

No, she was totally honest. Here is the videographic proof from the landing... xocet Dec 2015 #35

Oh my, that's an oldie but a goodie! peacebird Dec 2015 #36

Xocet, is shooting at straw men a pastime with you? Nitram Dec 2015 #37

The gulf between totally honest and outright lie is wide and deep. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #50

Your response to that satire and to my sarcasm is ironic; e.g., "shooting". Satire and sarcasm... xocet Dec 2015 #116

LOL! Segami Dec 2015 #40

Some liberals are drunk off their workinclasszero Dec 2015 #83

You got it! Skidmore Dec 2015 #122

No surprises there. Scuba Dec 2015 #9

The polls mean nothing, election is 11 months away nt firebrand80 Dec 2015 #10

So, how does she turn this around? Hepburn Dec 2015 #13

Bernie and the Obama campaigning for her, and firebrand80 Dec 2015 #18

LOL...try answering the question. Hepburn Dec 2015 #24

Except for those polls that show Her Inevitableness with a commanding lead, you mean tularetom Dec 2015 #56

You're off script. earthside Dec 2015 #63

I'm a Bernie supporter. katsy Dec 2015 #15

Thank you, Katsy. Nitram Dec 2015 #32

Yeah I agree with you on that Nyan Dec 2015 #69

Holy Shit! Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 #17

codswallop Botany Dec 2015 #21

Very simple Q: Is Hillary a liar, yes or no? Segami Dec 2015 #23

I don't think you have to ask that question... Hepburn Dec 2015 #26

No. nt Nitram Dec 2015 #39

See my post above about Hillary claiming she ran ducking sniper fire at the airport peacebird Dec 2015 #28

And yet, among Democrats, she scores higher than Bernie MineralMan Dec 2015 #30

The impact of NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #52

Because you win the general election with 30% of the electorate. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #71

I agree bigwillq Dec 2015 #33

Not even a surprise. SoapBox Dec 2015 #41

This is very interesting in many aspects Nyan Dec 2015 #42

So surpised!!!!! Faux pas Dec 2015 #43

Thanks to push poll proof, Sanders & Clinton are my "YIN & YANG DREAM TEAM". Thank you :P Sunlei Dec 2015 #48

Well, we could always use the Sanders supporters' reason for being so low in the polls.... George II Dec 2015 #49

Shows what billionaires can accomplish, given a few decades. Orsino Dec 2015 #53

Hillary's honesty edges out Sanders's among Dems? Didn't see that coming. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #54

It only demonstrates what success if any all upaloopa Dec 2015 #55

Did you overlook the point that neither the article or the graphs use the word "dishonest"? George II Dec 2015 #60

Well,... Segami Dec 2015 #66

If so then why did you feel the need to change the wording of the poll questions? George II Dec 2015 #74

Semantic distraction SwampG8r Dec 2015 #115

Whoa. The country has The Hillary and The Donald pegged! in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #61

And there you have it ladies and gentlemen. Autumn Dec 2015 #65

Damn. TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #68

lol, that is pretty amazing. Vattel Dec 2015 #143

Pretty disturbing too. TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #144

Wow.. Really getting desperate. I trust her. I'm voting for her. So are millions of others. Laser102 Dec 2015 #72

Kick and R BeanMusical Dec 2015 #79

No wonder Hillary and the GOP want to control the internet Android3.14 Dec 2015 #84

RW propaganda works. Who knew? baldguy Dec 2015 #86

I think there's a dislike for Hillary that has... one_voice Dec 2015 #88

Hillary is so toast! Helen Borg Dec 2015 #91

Proving tbat Americans are breathtakingly stupid Cary Dec 2015 #92

Or that she is dishonest. You decide. The American people have. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #96

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #106

I picture Team Hillary meeting to determine if this whole "trust" thing is important. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #98

... SidDithers Dec 2015 #118

And that's the problem in a nutshell. thesquanderer Dec 2015 #154

Thanks for your deep concern. Nt Bleacher Creature Dec 2015 #125

I think Americans, in general, have Stockholm Syndrome Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #134

The latest in news everybody but Hillary Aerows Dec 2015 #135

kick! n/t in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #145

kick in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #149

Why is Bernie so far behind? redstateblues Dec 2015 #152

good point. by the same logic by which they think more debates treestar Dec 2015 #157

This should be a bright red flag for anyone who wants Democrats to win the GE. eom Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #160

Ayup. AzDar Dec 2015 #161