2016 Postmortem

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I guess Bernie just won a useless online poll. [View all] retrowire Dec 2015 OP

Not scientific... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #1

Sure there was. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #4

do you know what a VPN is? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #5

You had to provide... HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #8

do you have more than one email address? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #10

Maybe you didn't read my first response, but here it is again. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #13

Here is what you need to understand about online polling....easily spoofed VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #14

A couple things HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #17

I see that "crickets" so far is the answer to this one. highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #26

This is kind of what I really don't like about conservatives mindwalker_i Dec 2015 #32

BULLSHIT LynneSin Dec 2015 #244

I'm not speaking for Sanders, I'm speaking for myself mindwalker_i Dec 2015 #247

So that makes the poster a conservative and why your post was bullshit LynneSin Dec 2015 #253

I did not call the poster conservative mindwalker_i Dec 2015 #273

I can do this and that too... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #52

Sorry, I guess you can't fly-swat the endorsement away. n/t Gore1FL Dec 2015 #72

Did I try VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #83

The endorsement was based on that poll. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #116

So? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #117

It's what the thread is about. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #122

No its not.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #123

The Democracy for America endorsement was awarded to Sanders. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #126

Ha, endoresements provided by people voting aren't valid but endorsements provided without Live and Learn Dec 2015 #172

If this thread were a noise artislife Dec 2015 #195

No kidding, the absurdity is absolutely breathtaking. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #207

It's actually about the DFA endorsement Gore1FL Dec 2015 #263

This sub thread IS about that.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #239

It was a poll. It was online. It was restricted to the membership of those conducting it. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #261

What part of that doesn't matter....do you not understand? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #262

I imagine elections will at some point allow people to vote online. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #264

but not now.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #266

Who is suggesting that it shoudl be done that way? Gore1FL Dec 2015 #269

Your sparring partner has an agenda Plucketeer Dec 2015 #276

Yeah. Talking points more than logic. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #287

The volume of the populace is too large to ensure security Gore1FL Dec 2015 #286

She doesn't. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #242

So what do you think, Bernie paying out millions to pay people to hack online polls? A Simple Game Dec 2015 #80

Did I say Bernie paid anyone? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #84

I don't think enough people would bother to make much of a difference. A Simple Game Dec 2015 #92

You only need one... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #96

You should get into the habit of reading your posts before you hit the "Post my reply!" button A Simple Game Dec 2015 #101

Hahahahahzbagshzgzx VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #104

I realize, I had you figured out a long time ago. n/t A Simple Game Dec 2015 #106

Figured out???? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #107

I see, your problem isn't that you don't read what you post, it's that you don't understand what A Simple Game Dec 2015 #113

You are right...I do not......when they do not know VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #114

I am enjoying your posts! Thanks. nt artislife Dec 2015 #197

I have to admit that sometimes it is just too easy. A Simple Game Dec 2015 #227

Bernie won 88% of the votes. There were, I have read, a total of 200,000 votes. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #206

Comparing Democrats to freepers was the worst part. You could say that A Simple Game Dec 2015 #229

Now you are being ridiculous. Don't you think the polling site would know if it was hit by a DOS Live and Learn Dec 2015 #176

I can tell you very few would bother. And I would bet those few would be Hillary supporters. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #175

my thoughts exactly. Probably why some are so upset that she lost by so much. A Simple Game Dec 2015 #271

She has know earthly idea what she is talking about. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #127

No I am not... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #142

Why don't you try doing it and then speak from experience? nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #177

It'ds not the topic of the thread Gore1FL Dec 2015 #238

its the topic of this one...starting with VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #241

Amazing isn't it. Just like al those "illegals" the GOP claims are voting in droves when most Live and Learn Dec 2015 #174

It doesn't take millions of people... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #240

You know what is funny? catnhatnh Dec 2015 #91

You think none of the mostly young men that support Sanders VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #93

Now you are being sexist too? Why would only young men that support Sanders do it? nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #178

Do you not understand that security measures are in place to make sure that doesn't happen and Live and Learn Dec 2015 #179

By your own admission, it is not easy. Setting up multiple email and using different ip addresses Live and Learn Dec 2015 #168

I am a 72-year-old woman who can't hack or program, and I voted for Bernie in the DFA JDPriestly Dec 2015 #205

Funny Plucketeer Dec 2015 #274

LOL Bernie supporters rigging polls...I think I'll follow your Duval Dec 2015 #62

You think his fanboys wouldn't? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #85

Fanboys???? Your sexism and condescension are duly noted. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #181

That, right there, is why Hillary could actually lose the general. beerandjesus Dec 2015 #243

thanks so much for taking on this ridiculous piece of work ALBliberal Dec 2015 #152

For what? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #166

Because the GE is a bit more important, maybe? And, we are using computers to vote these days. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #185

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #90

l.o.o.s.e.e-2 partner taking over on this one... "easily spoofed"? l.o.o.s.e.e-2 Dec 2015 #132

Sigh.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #133

l.o.o.s.e.e-2 back now... l.o.o.s.e.e-2 Dec 2015 #150

So thats a no... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #154

Sorry, we don't like animated "GIFs" l.o.o.s.e.e-2 Dec 2015 #158

So impressed.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #160

Did I say I was a script kiddy? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #135

Thanks. That was getting rather annoying. n/t bvf Dec 2015 #137

What was? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #138

*You* were, dear. bvf Dec 2015 #140

Of course dear... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #141

I have robots for that. Doubt you could do a better job. bvf Dec 2015 #144

Of course you do... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #155

Ahhh......! bvf Dec 2015 #164

I do.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #165

You're at 60%. You're not trying. bvf Dec 2015 #170

Only because its bedtime....you should see me at VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #173

No thanks. bvf Dec 2015 #184

Your loss VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #186

Let us know when you find it, won't you? bvf Dec 2015 #193

The real challenge would be anyone proving they knew less about hacking than you. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #190

You forgot the old standby: Live and Learn Dec 2015 #188

Ain't that a hoot? Fawke Em Dec 2015 #145

It certainly is. And one gets the impression bvf Dec 2015 #146

+10,000 Actually, I think they are saying that only Bernie supporters are smart enough to do so. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #189

This has been something else. artislife Dec 2015 #198

Or listen to Gershwin or Queen. n/t bvf Dec 2015 #204

you make a great point daybranch Dec 2015 #224

Oh they do? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #231

Was looking at drug intraction.... Fed up in NJ Dec 2015 #246

What does that have to do with anything said here.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #275

Hillary doesn't. eom Fawke Em Dec 2015 #65

Roflmao! BeanMusical Dec 2015 #77

+10,000 nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #191

I hate to tell you this but most Bernie supporters are far too busy actually campaigning for Bernie Live and Learn Dec 2015 #159

Name, email address, and zip code. That's all. George II Dec 2015 #252

You make it sound as if there's some conspiracy to promote Bernie. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #57

No....but online polling is notoriously bogus VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #86

So really, Hillary got a lot less then since VPN and hacking and stuff. cui bono Dec 2015 #103

Okay then.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #105

Love it! Even with Hillary supporters using VPN and hacking and stuff Bernie is way ahead. cui bono Dec 2015 #108

WOW!!!!!! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #110

Whoosh! cui bono Dec 2015 #131

Uh huh.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #136

Shame on you. bvf Dec 2015 #148

For what? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #162

Whoosh! bvf Dec 2015 #180

Vroom! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #182

Yeah, "whatevs." Whoosh! bvf Dec 2015 #192

Uh huh. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #215

Good one! bvf Dec 2015 #219

Fir sur... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #221

Tell everyone how the internet works again. bvf Dec 2015 #222

Do you or dont you VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #223

See #153. How many times do you have to be told? bvf Dec 2015 #226

No....answer the question you cannot think and VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #228

Calm down, would you? bvf Dec 2015 #230

What makes you think I am not? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #232

I just *told* you, FFS. bvf Dec 2015 #235

So what is your answer? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #284

Can you read? bvf Dec 2015 #293

Agreed. But your assertion that the overwhelming votes for Sanders are repeat voters cleanhippie Dec 2015 #125

It doesnt HAVE to be the overwhelming.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #139

Again, your assertion that it's over-voting and not actual support is either wishful thinking cleanhippie Dec 2015 #248

No...it doesn't take many people or many computers... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #249

It just HAS to be fraud, right? There's no way it could be actual support for Sanders? cleanhippie Dec 2015 #254

did I say that? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #255

Lol, ok, whatever you say. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #256

Yeah....so answer the question... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #257

Trust online polls enough for what? cleanhippie Dec 2015 #258

Exactly what I said... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #259

Do online polls effect the way I will vote in the GE? cleanhippie Dec 2015 #260

hahahahaha... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #265

Wishful thinking or willful ignorance. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #268

Your story would be different if it rolled for the other candidate. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #283

So, can you provide a single unique user ID from the poll that says they didn't AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #282

This person isn't really debating Android3.14 Dec 2015 #69

+1 BeanMusical Dec 2015 #78

Anyone know how many DFA members voted? George II Dec 2015 #250

This Bernie's supporters cheat meme is getting old. tecelote Dec 2015 #19

Don't you just love it? 88%! Duval Dec 2015 #63

Yeah... but... tecelote Dec 2015 #68

Did you read that anywhere? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #89

It's a lot harder for one person to pull off a DOS attack than it is Fawke Em Dec 2015 #149

You still haven't proposed a mechanism that explains a2liberal Dec 2015 #153

That was not my point..... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #157

Huh? a2liberal Dec 2015 #161

All online polls are.. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #163

See #153 (nt) a2liberal Dec 2015 #183

No thanks... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #187

So you didn't bother to actually read his previous reply which already answered your question? Kentonio Dec 2015 #216

Answer the question VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #217

They answered your predictable question before you even asked it. Kentonio Dec 2015 #218

Oh really VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #220

False equivalence. Kentonio Dec 2015 #237

+1000 nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #208

The DFA poll was not an ordinary internet poll. Each voter had to identify him- or herself. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #211

It is pretty exciting! artislife Dec 2015 #200

No but online polls are bullshit VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #88

Not at all and especially not for the silly reasons you have mentioned. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #209

Are Hillary voters less scientific than Bernie voters? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #20

Here's the thing: they have craploads of time to spend writing Fawke Em Dec 2015 #67

"couldn't have Hillary voters figured out how to do the same thing?" BeanMusical Dec 2015 #82

The Scientific Polls showing Hillary ahead usually are a scientifically skewed Demographic Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #42

If only the demographic was representative of all Americans. tecelote Dec 2015 #56

Really now VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #97

2 million individual donations. tecelote Dec 2015 #109

Sounds like projection from the HRC crowd... modestybl Dec 2015 #79

So you trust a poll done with bad science Lordquinton Dec 2015 #87

Do you trust open online polling to say.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Dec 2015 #299

"not scientific" cui bono Dec 2015 #102

You mean the site that Nate Silver often quotes.? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #167

Quotes as what? cui bono Dec 2015 #298

You are only saying that because you don't like the results. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #233

Okay arikara Dec 2015 #277

I guess it wouldn't be "useless" if someone else had won it. n/t winter is coming Dec 2015 #2

Oh no. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #6

If you wouldn't mind linking leftynyc Dec 2015 #31

I'm not sure Herb can find one because Hillary never wins them. nt retrowire Dec 2015 #44

LOL leftynyc Dec 2015 #98

i'll answer that cause i know the answer. boston bean Dec 2015 #115

Oy vey leftynyc Dec 2015 #213

It would be held up as proof that said winner is really a liberal. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #12

Useless being the key word. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #3

Good luck with that.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #7

Yeah, we know what Hillary has. Congrats. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #9

then you understand how she is going to win! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #11

Has what? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #171

You honestly think she has Obama's ground game? You need to catch up..LOL...n/t monmouth4 Dec 2015 #15

Yes I do.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #30

Sorry, it will be Bernie that has ths ground game. Tote Life Dec 2015 #60

It worked well for her in 2008 n/t Gore1FL Dec 2015 #73

President Sanders. NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #111

How about this poll? Its called the millionaire poll and it roguevalley Dec 2015 #39

Thanks, roguevalley. senz Dec 2015 #100

It is a self-selected group. mythology Dec 2015 #16

well that's the thing, this poll was accessible retrowire Dec 2015 #18

And if I am not mistaken each voter had to varify their jwirr Dec 2015 #21

yep! confirmation emails and everything. nt retrowire Dec 2015 #23

Yes emsimon33 Dec 2015 #214

Yes, we did. chervilant Dec 2015 #280

I'm starting to believe that the political polling process in America is completely subjective. Maedhros Dec 2015 #22

it is a bit mind bending isn't it? nt retrowire Dec 2015 #24

We know that electronic voting machines are routinely compromised. Maedhros Dec 2015 #33

It is only natural of the human mind to make connections. retrowire Dec 2015 #41

Exit polls will be CRITICAL Lorien Dec 2015 #199

Because Bernie Supporters know, rally and press one another Sheepshank Dec 2015 #25

and yet this poll would've granted Hillary retrowire Dec 2015 #27

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #28

You should edit or self-delete this. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #43

If people knew the truth MSM would be running for the hills, Bernie is the only candidate telling us orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #29

I guess since no polling is accurate, then I guess the only subjective measurement there LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #34

We would be saying President Paul right now if that were a solid metric. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2015 #40

If this was such an unimportant/unscientific poll why did Hillary send THIS email? dorkzilla Dec 2015 #35

Ha! Punkingal Dec 2015 #59

"I'm the only Democrat in this race who's pledged not to raise taxes on families making less than stillwaiting Dec 2015 #236

Didn't . . . Gamecock Lefty Dec 2015 #36

Not useless. But why did only 25% of DFA members participate? onenote Dec 2015 #37

Dfa are Dean fans from 2004 PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #45

Because more often than not Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #46

Thanks for the info. onenote Dec 2015 #58

You think a dataset of nearly 271,000 isn't large enough to make quality projection? What about Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #95

That's not what I said. onenote Dec 2015 #151

Nope. That's a pretty useful one. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2015 #38

The Sanderstorm continues... SoapBox Dec 2015 #47

And DFA will now do.....what? brooklynite Dec 2015 #48

This. retrowire Dec 2015 #49

Thanks so much, retrowire! nt Duval Dec 2015 #66

Not the answer tazkcmo Dec 2015 #94

Or, maybe this.... postatomic Dec 2015 #129

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #50

Thanks for the KnR Uncle Joe. :) n/t retrowire Dec 2015 #51

It was cosmic, 50th post on this thread and 50th rec. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #54

You would do well to know a bit of history about media/poll winning, here let me help you with that. NotHardly Dec 2015 #53

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #55

Yeah, I guess DFA is some obscure Duval Dec 2015 #61

Revolution Calling!! *Runs off to listen to Queensryche* AzDar Dec 2015 #64

Right. All one has to do is give a name (real or not), email address (real or not) and zip code.... George II Dec 2015 #70

I know, lots of people have more than one email. cwydro Dec 2015 #71

Like you, I have two that are pretty active (one I use to respond to spam) and........ George II Dec 2015 #74

Yeah, you know that's true. cwydro Dec 2015 #120

no haha, you just proved you're lying orr retrowire Dec 2015 #75

They also proved h supporters have multiple email accounts and she still lost. nt artislife Dec 2015 #203

Bernie had a huge majority in this actual bona fide vote, no doubt about it. thereismore Dec 2015 #76

exactly. nt retrowire Dec 2015 #81

This was a poll of members of liberal organization. They follow politics closely. Eric J in MN Dec 2015 #99

Yawn... Historic NY Dec 2015 #112

But clickitty click and stuff?!?!! AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #118

kick! n/t in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #119

kick! n/t in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #121

This was not a poll... PosterChild Dec 2015 #124

It was a DFA membership poll. Words have meanings. They don't change meanings when Bernie merrily Dec 2015 #128

They didn't call it a poll.... PosterChild Dec 2015 #292

Who claimed that an organization's endorsement represents the nation as a whole? merrily Dec 2015 #294

In my reading, the OP did... PosterChild Dec 2015 #295

Maybe read it again? merrily Dec 2015 #296

I did... PosterChild Dec 2015 #297

Another one??? ronnykmarshall Dec 2015 #130

Bouncy! MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #134

But it wasn't "scientific!" RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #143

If it were "scientific" they would have only polled 400 DNC Dems Lorien Dec 2015 #201

I am glad that I am not the only one RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #225

Well in order to game that particular poll, I guess SandersDem Dec 2015 #147

It is so funny to scroll through and see who is pearl clutching! artislife Dec 2015 #156

Yep, one of the most amusing in quite a while. n/t bvf Dec 2015 #194

I think that Autumn Dec 2015 #196

Terrified enough to start the dirty tricks: Lorien Dec 2015 #202

Hmm, so the DNC vendor screws up and Bernie's campaign reports the screw up and they suspend Live and Learn Dec 2015 #210

It makes a lot of sense when you realize the DNC released this at this time so Autumn Dec 2015 #251

+1. bvf Dec 2015 #212

K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #234

Pretty much. book_worm Dec 2015 #245

Thing is, they wouldn't have NEEDED to hack it jmowreader Dec 2015 #267

your entire post basically says retrowire Dec 2015 #278

Either that, or Hillary supporters don't care about online polls jmowreader Dec 2015 #281

The Hillary supporters "all think and do alike" defense doesn't work retrowire Dec 2015 #289

K&R. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #270

I don't see any randomness in the sampling method, which throws up statistical red flags. eom yawnmaster Dec 2015 #272

I like Bernie, but I don't think you understand polling etherealtruth Dec 2015 #279

Polls Sanders_Activitism Dec 2015 #285

And even then, most people don't answer their cell phones for strange numbers.... retrowire Dec 2015 #290

Is that better or worse than a useless online post? LanternWaste Dec 2015 #288

It's better. retrowire Dec 2015 #291