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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
19. You couldn't primary him because Democrats don't think like you...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 02:49 AM
Sep 2012

You're irrational. I know that sounds harsh, but you are. Most Democrats, specifically even liberals like Elizabeth Warren, support Obama unequivocally, even if they've been disappointed with him at times. Unlike you, they don't want to dump him because they know he represents a huge step in the right direction ... even if he isn't going to be the one who gets us there.

I mean, look at your own list of candidates you wanted to potentially run against Obama in the primary.

1. Elizabeth Warren - she's in battle for a senate seat in one of the most liberal states in the country and struggling.

2. Matt Damon - seriously? You trollin' us? Matt Damon is an actor who, while very intelligent, has absolutely zero political and governing experience. If he primaried Obama, he would've absolutely gone nowhere as a candidate and been the butt of a million jokes.

3. Bernie Sanders - Uh, he's not a Democrat and I doubt he'd register as a Democrat to just run against Obama.

As for anyone else, obviously the high-profiled people (read: those who count) didn't want to dump him like you.

Again, it comes back to irrationality. You're irrational. You expect Obama to make a hard-left turn, run this country as if he had all the control, and reverse 30 years of politically damaging polices that have been in place pretty much non-stop since the Reagan era.

Give me a break. I hate to break it to you, but Democrats can't do better than Obama. Not right now. If Obama decided to not run in this election, and unless he was replaced by Hillary Clinton, Mitt Romney would have walked to the White House.

Liberals need to understand how the process works - it doesn't happen over night. It takes a step in the right direction to just get us moving and Obama is that step. He might not be what you're looking for ... but he's the best we can realistically get and I'll tell you, I'd take that 100 times over than nominating someone you think is politically pure who gets his or her teeth kicked in by the Republicans. The Democrats have tried that in the past and it has failed. It is not a surprise the two most successful Democrats nationally, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, have been called turncoats and Republican-lite by the party. It boggles the mind how, after decades of getting embarrassed in presidential politics (from McGovern to Mondale to Dukakis to even Kerry), many liberals are right there saying "thank you sir, may I have another..."

Well that type of mindset is exactly what ceded control of this country to the Republicans. Because we punted the presidential elections of '72, '80, '84 and '88, Republicans were able to move in, push their agenda so much for so long that it dominated the political discourse for decades.

Remember this, Reagan didn't just manifest out of nowhere. It took the Republicans regaining the White House with a moderate (Eisenhower) after years of Democratic control JUST to get their foot back into the door and once that door was nudged slightly open, it provided Nixon a chance to waltz on through eight years later (after again the liberals crippled Democrats by destroying their convention and failing to unite around the fairly liberal Humphrey), which laid the foundation for Ronald Reagan.

But Republicans get it. They've always gotten it (well up until the past few years ... but now they find themselves repeating the mistakes of Democrats by running ideologues). They knew you couldn't just up and change the dynamics of the country. They had to stomach the more moderate politicians just to ease the pendulum a bit to the right every election until finally, in '80, it allowed them to nominate, and elect, Ronald Reagan.

Imagine how far the left movement would be if, in 2000, Al Gore had followed up the Clinton presidency. But because purists, and I'm not suggesting you were one, were so dissatisfied with Gore and Clinton that they went out and voted Nader, or didn't vote at all, Bush won and continued pulling this country even further to the right. Well, let's not make that mistake again. Obama winning is an important step for liberalism, even if liberals don't see it.

If you want to sell your ideology, you've first got to package it in a way that moderate and independent voters can tolerate it. No other president, at least a Democratic president, has done it as well as Obama. He's come out in favor of marriage equality, which four years ago no candidate would ever imagine doing, he's come out in support of a woman's right to choose more than any recent presidential candidate, he's opened the door to the idea that, gosh, the federal government isn't such a bogeyman after all when, for 30 years, we've heard, even from a Democratic president, that we needed smaller government ... he has taken once toxic issues for liberals and made them moderate and that's how you sell your ideology. Because of Obama, deregulation is a bad word. Because of Obama, the rhetoric against illegals isn't nearly as awful and damaging as it was in 2006. Because of Obama, healthcare reform isn't necessarily a bad thing anymore.

He has made many liberal issues moderate enough where independent voters can get on board with those ideas. It's why Reagan was so successful in the 80s and so was Nixon in the 70s - they took positions that were more right of center than where the nation might have been, but masked it in moderate rhetoric and the people accepted it.

But having a flaming lefty in the White House ... having Dennis Kucinich running a national campaign ... that ain't gonna get you anywhere.

the Obama voters leaving him is a Right Wing Media myth. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #1
or maybe central scrutinizer Sep 2012 #2
or maybe frazzled Sep 2012 #4
Aleady caught some of them. freshwest Sep 2012 #7
I wonder how many people actually speculate in any detail about exactly how things get done. patrice Sep 2012 #3
Thank you for teaching civics. Presidents have limited powers and the House controls the purse. JRLeft Sep 2012 #5
This puts everyone in a difficult situation when we try to do as we really should and talk to patrice Sep 2012 #8
+1,000 freshwest Sep 2012 #9
Absolutely Agreed kurt_cagle Sep 2012 #38
Yep. Some of those who scream loudest about "Freedom" are actually absolutists and/or ideologues. patrice Sep 2012 #40
Because CheapShotArtist Sep 2012 #6
Yes, we are on the correct path! freshwest Sep 2012 #10
Because Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2012 #11
"Breaking up," huh? Did we have an affair? I don't think so. Just more lies. freshwest Sep 2012 #12
Yeah, isn't that a weird way to put it? whathehell Sep 2012 #26
Fits to the juvenile middle school or elementary school level of the right. Immature bullies. freshwest Sep 2012 #29
Who in their right mind leaves an intelligent caring man for a robotic unfeeling jerk? Jennicut Sep 2012 #13
But what if this isn’t how they see things? neeksgeek Sep 2012 #14
I would love to dump Obama dreamnightwind Sep 2012 #15
Well said SilveryMoon Sep 2012 #16
Thanks dreamnightwind Sep 2012 #17
You couldn't primary him because Democrats don't think like you... Drunken Irishman Sep 2012 #19
BRAVO!! babylonsister Sep 2012 #21
In time I have come to see that your point of view is correct johnlucas Sep 2012 #22
Excellent! broiles Sep 2012 #27
Reality speaks-thank you nt Progressive dog Sep 2012 #28
Wise words you write my friend riverbendviewgal Sep 2012 #30
DI, may I buy you one? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #34
Definitely kurt_cagle Sep 2012 #41
No, because all of the money said to not primary him dreamnightwind Sep 2012 #42
I have facts on my side... Drunken Irishman Sep 2012 #43
You completely miss what's happening dreamnightwind Sep 2012 #44
Those "conversions" are fake, IMHO. I talk to Dems daily, and never once have I heard one..... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #18
Thing is, you're always going to find 'conversions' every election cycle... Drunken Irishman Sep 2012 #20
The national debt never makes it into any conversations I have with people Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2012 #25
I'm sure it may come up in some circles, but I've never heard anyone in my family, or.... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #33
Whoever shifts so easily from Obama to Romney Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2012 #35
"He made it worse" is simply false treestar Sep 2012 #23
Show of hands: JoeyT Sep 2012 #24
I often wondered why Mitt Romney supporters don't leave him? UCmeNdc Sep 2012 #31
They don't really like Romney. Nobody really does Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2012 #37
It is very simple. The republicans have said they want to dismantle social security and medicare. still_one Sep 2012 #32
Because people don't have those sort of relationships with their politicians? Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2012 #36
Any thinking person knows it is much better to have a reasoning right-of-center moderate rather indepat Sep 2012 #39
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