2016 Postmortem

AtheistCrusader

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282. So, can you provide a single unique user ID from the poll that says they didn't

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:15 PM

Dec 2015

actually vote in it, or a user id from the poll that does not exist in meatspace?

Thought not.

Certainly people could register fake users, or real people without their knowledge. Pony up some evidence that happened.

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I guess Bernie just won a useless online poll. [View all] retrowire Dec 2015 OP

Not scientific... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #1

Sure there was. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #4

do you know what a VPN is? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #5

You had to provide... HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #8

do you have more than one email address? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #10

Maybe you didn't read my first response, but here it is again. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #13

Here is what you need to understand about online polling....easily spoofed VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #14

A couple things HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #17

I see that "crickets" so far is the answer to this one. highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #26

This is kind of what I really don't like about conservatives mindwalker_i Dec 2015 #32

BULLSHIT LynneSin Dec 2015 #244

I'm not speaking for Sanders, I'm speaking for myself mindwalker_i Dec 2015 #247

So that makes the poster a conservative and why your post was bullshit LynneSin Dec 2015 #253

I did not call the poster conservative mindwalker_i Dec 2015 #273

I can do this and that too... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #52

Sorry, I guess you can't fly-swat the endorsement away. n/t Gore1FL Dec 2015 #72

Did I try VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #83

The endorsement was based on that poll. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #116

So? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #117

It's what the thread is about. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #122

No its not.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #123

The Democracy for America endorsement was awarded to Sanders. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #126

Ha, endoresements provided by people voting aren't valid but endorsements provided without Live and Learn Dec 2015 #172

If this thread were a noise artislife Dec 2015 #195

No kidding, the absurdity is absolutely breathtaking. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #207

It's actually about the DFA endorsement Gore1FL Dec 2015 #263

This sub thread IS about that.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #239

It was a poll. It was online. It was restricted to the membership of those conducting it. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #261

What part of that doesn't matter....do you not understand? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #262

I imagine elections will at some point allow people to vote online. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #264

but not now.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #266

Who is suggesting that it shoudl be done that way? Gore1FL Dec 2015 #269

Your sparring partner has an agenda Plucketeer Dec 2015 #276

Yeah. Talking points more than logic. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #287

The volume of the populace is too large to ensure security Gore1FL Dec 2015 #286

She doesn't. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #242

So what do you think, Bernie paying out millions to pay people to hack online polls? A Simple Game Dec 2015 #80

Did I say Bernie paid anyone? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #84

I don't think enough people would bother to make much of a difference. A Simple Game Dec 2015 #92

You only need one... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #96

You should get into the habit of reading your posts before you hit the "Post my reply!" button A Simple Game Dec 2015 #101

Hahahahahzbagshzgzx VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #104

I realize, I had you figured out a long time ago. n/t A Simple Game Dec 2015 #106

Figured out???? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #107

I see, your problem isn't that you don't read what you post, it's that you don't understand what A Simple Game Dec 2015 #113

You are right...I do not......when they do not know VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #114

I am enjoying your posts! Thanks. nt artislife Dec 2015 #197

I have to admit that sometimes it is just too easy. A Simple Game Dec 2015 #227

Bernie won 88% of the votes. There were, I have read, a total of 200,000 votes. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #206

Comparing Democrats to freepers was the worst part. You could say that A Simple Game Dec 2015 #229

Now you are being ridiculous. Don't you think the polling site would know if it was hit by a DOS Live and Learn Dec 2015 #176

I can tell you very few would bother. And I would bet those few would be Hillary supporters. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #175

my thoughts exactly. Probably why some are so upset that she lost by so much. A Simple Game Dec 2015 #271

She has know earthly idea what she is talking about. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #127

No I am not... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #142

Why don't you try doing it and then speak from experience? nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #177

It'ds not the topic of the thread Gore1FL Dec 2015 #238

its the topic of this one...starting with VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #241

Amazing isn't it. Just like al those "illegals" the GOP claims are voting in droves when most Live and Learn Dec 2015 #174

It doesn't take millions of people... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #240

You know what is funny? catnhatnh Dec 2015 #91

You think none of the mostly young men that support Sanders VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #93

Now you are being sexist too? Why would only young men that support Sanders do it? nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #178

Do you not understand that security measures are in place to make sure that doesn't happen and Live and Learn Dec 2015 #179

By your own admission, it is not easy. Setting up multiple email and using different ip addresses Live and Learn Dec 2015 #168

I am a 72-year-old woman who can't hack or program, and I voted for Bernie in the DFA JDPriestly Dec 2015 #205

Funny Plucketeer Dec 2015 #274

LOL Bernie supporters rigging polls...I think I'll follow your Duval Dec 2015 #62

You think his fanboys wouldn't? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #85

Fanboys???? Your sexism and condescension are duly noted. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #181

That, right there, is why Hillary could actually lose the general. beerandjesus Dec 2015 #243

thanks so much for taking on this ridiculous piece of work ALBliberal Dec 2015 #152

For what? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #166

Because the GE is a bit more important, maybe? And, we are using computers to vote these days. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #185

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #90

l.o.o.s.e.e-2 partner taking over on this one... "easily spoofed"? l.o.o.s.e.e-2 Dec 2015 #132

Sigh.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #133

l.o.o.s.e.e-2 back now... l.o.o.s.e.e-2 Dec 2015 #150

So thats a no... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #154

Sorry, we don't like animated "GIFs" l.o.o.s.e.e-2 Dec 2015 #158

So impressed.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #160

Did I say I was a script kiddy? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #135

Thanks. That was getting rather annoying. n/t bvf Dec 2015 #137

What was? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #138

*You* were, dear. bvf Dec 2015 #140

Of course dear... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #141

I have robots for that. Doubt you could do a better job. bvf Dec 2015 #144

Of course you do... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #155

Ahhh......! bvf Dec 2015 #164

I do.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #165

You're at 60%. You're not trying. bvf Dec 2015 #170

Only because its bedtime....you should see me at VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #173

No thanks. bvf Dec 2015 #184

Your loss VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #186

Let us know when you find it, won't you? bvf Dec 2015 #193

The real challenge would be anyone proving they knew less about hacking than you. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #190

You forgot the old standby: Live and Learn Dec 2015 #188

Ain't that a hoot? Fawke Em Dec 2015 #145

It certainly is. And one gets the impression bvf Dec 2015 #146

+10,000 Actually, I think they are saying that only Bernie supporters are smart enough to do so. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #189

This has been something else. artislife Dec 2015 #198

Or listen to Gershwin or Queen. n/t bvf Dec 2015 #204

you make a great point daybranch Dec 2015 #224

Oh they do? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #231

Was looking at drug intraction.... Fed up in NJ Dec 2015 #246

What does that have to do with anything said here.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #275

Hillary doesn't. eom Fawke Em Dec 2015 #65

Roflmao! BeanMusical Dec 2015 #77

+10,000 nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #191

I hate to tell you this but most Bernie supporters are far too busy actually campaigning for Bernie Live and Learn Dec 2015 #159

Name, email address, and zip code. That's all. George II Dec 2015 #252

You make it sound as if there's some conspiracy to promote Bernie. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #57

No....but online polling is notoriously bogus VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #86

So really, Hillary got a lot less then since VPN and hacking and stuff. cui bono Dec 2015 #103

Okay then.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #105

Love it! Even with Hillary supporters using VPN and hacking and stuff Bernie is way ahead. cui bono Dec 2015 #108

WOW!!!!!! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #110

Whoosh! cui bono Dec 2015 #131

Uh huh.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #136

Shame on you. bvf Dec 2015 #148

For what? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #162

Whoosh! bvf Dec 2015 #180

Vroom! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #182

Yeah, "whatevs." Whoosh! bvf Dec 2015 #192

Uh huh. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #215

Good one! bvf Dec 2015 #219

Fir sur... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #221

Tell everyone how the internet works again. bvf Dec 2015 #222

Do you or dont you VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #223

See #153. How many times do you have to be told? bvf Dec 2015 #226

No....answer the question you cannot think and VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #228

Calm down, would you? bvf Dec 2015 #230

What makes you think I am not? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #232

I just *told* you, FFS. bvf Dec 2015 #235

So what is your answer? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #284

Can you read? bvf Dec 2015 #293

Agreed. But your assertion that the overwhelming votes for Sanders are repeat voters cleanhippie Dec 2015 #125

It doesnt HAVE to be the overwhelming.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #139

Again, your assertion that it's over-voting and not actual support is either wishful thinking cleanhippie Dec 2015 #248

No...it doesn't take many people or many computers... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #249

It just HAS to be fraud, right? There's no way it could be actual support for Sanders? cleanhippie Dec 2015 #254

did I say that? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #255

Lol, ok, whatever you say. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #256

Yeah....so answer the question... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #257

Trust online polls enough for what? cleanhippie Dec 2015 #258

Exactly what I said... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #259

Do online polls effect the way I will vote in the GE? cleanhippie Dec 2015 #260

hahahahaha... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #265

Wishful thinking or willful ignorance. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #268

Your story would be different if it rolled for the other candidate. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #283

So, can you provide a single unique user ID from the poll that says they didn't AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #282

This person isn't really debating Android3.14 Dec 2015 #69

+1 BeanMusical Dec 2015 #78

Anyone know how many DFA members voted? George II Dec 2015 #250

This Bernie's supporters cheat meme is getting old. tecelote Dec 2015 #19

Don't you just love it? 88%! Duval Dec 2015 #63

Yeah... but... tecelote Dec 2015 #68

Did you read that anywhere? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #89

It's a lot harder for one person to pull off a DOS attack than it is Fawke Em Dec 2015 #149

You still haven't proposed a mechanism that explains a2liberal Dec 2015 #153

That was not my point..... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #157

Huh? a2liberal Dec 2015 #161

All online polls are.. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #163

See #153 (nt) a2liberal Dec 2015 #183

No thanks... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #187

So you didn't bother to actually read his previous reply which already answered your question? Kentonio Dec 2015 #216

Answer the question VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #217

They answered your predictable question before you even asked it. Kentonio Dec 2015 #218

Oh really VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #220

False equivalence. Kentonio Dec 2015 #237

+1000 nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #208

The DFA poll was not an ordinary internet poll. Each voter had to identify him- or herself. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #211

It is pretty exciting! artislife Dec 2015 #200

No but online polls are bullshit VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #88

Not at all and especially not for the silly reasons you have mentioned. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #209

Are Hillary voters less scientific than Bernie voters? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #20

Here's the thing: they have craploads of time to spend writing Fawke Em Dec 2015 #67

"couldn't have Hillary voters figured out how to do the same thing?" BeanMusical Dec 2015 #82

The Scientific Polls showing Hillary ahead usually are a scientifically skewed Demographic Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #42

If only the demographic was representative of all Americans. tecelote Dec 2015 #56

Really now VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #97

2 million individual donations. tecelote Dec 2015 #109

Sounds like projection from the HRC crowd... modestybl Dec 2015 #79

So you trust a poll done with bad science Lordquinton Dec 2015 #87

Do you trust open online polling to say.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Dec 2015 #299

"not scientific" cui bono Dec 2015 #102

You mean the site that Nate Silver often quotes.? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #167

Quotes as what? cui bono Dec 2015 #298

You are only saying that because you don't like the results. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #233

Okay arikara Dec 2015 #277

I guess it wouldn't be "useless" if someone else had won it. n/t winter is coming Dec 2015 #2

Oh no. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #6

If you wouldn't mind linking leftynyc Dec 2015 #31

I'm not sure Herb can find one because Hillary never wins them. nt retrowire Dec 2015 #44

LOL leftynyc Dec 2015 #98

i'll answer that cause i know the answer. boston bean Dec 2015 #115

Oy vey leftynyc Dec 2015 #213

It would be held up as proof that said winner is really a liberal. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #12

Useless being the key word. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #3

Good luck with that.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #7

Yeah, we know what Hillary has. Congrats. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #9

then you understand how she is going to win! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #11

Has what? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #171

You honestly think she has Obama's ground game? You need to catch up..LOL...n/t monmouth4 Dec 2015 #15

Yes I do.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #30

Sorry, it will be Bernie that has ths ground game. Tote Life Dec 2015 #60

It worked well for her in 2008 n/t Gore1FL Dec 2015 #73

President Sanders. NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #111

How about this poll? Its called the millionaire poll and it roguevalley Dec 2015 #39

Thanks, roguevalley. senz Dec 2015 #100

It is a self-selected group. mythology Dec 2015 #16

well that's the thing, this poll was accessible retrowire Dec 2015 #18

And if I am not mistaken each voter had to varify their jwirr Dec 2015 #21

yep! confirmation emails and everything. nt retrowire Dec 2015 #23

Yes emsimon33 Dec 2015 #214

Yes, we did. chervilant Dec 2015 #280

I'm starting to believe that the political polling process in America is completely subjective. Maedhros Dec 2015 #22

it is a bit mind bending isn't it? nt retrowire Dec 2015 #24

We know that electronic voting machines are routinely compromised. Maedhros Dec 2015 #33

It is only natural of the human mind to make connections. retrowire Dec 2015 #41

Exit polls will be CRITICAL Lorien Dec 2015 #199

Because Bernie Supporters know, rally and press one another Sheepshank Dec 2015 #25

and yet this poll would've granted Hillary retrowire Dec 2015 #27

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #28

You should edit or self-delete this. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #43

If people knew the truth MSM would be running for the hills, Bernie is the only candidate telling us orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #29

I guess since no polling is accurate, then I guess the only subjective measurement there LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #34

We would be saying President Paul right now if that were a solid metric. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2015 #40

If this was such an unimportant/unscientific poll why did Hillary send THIS email? dorkzilla Dec 2015 #35

Ha! Punkingal Dec 2015 #59

"I'm the only Democrat in this race who's pledged not to raise taxes on families making less than stillwaiting Dec 2015 #236

Didn't . . . Gamecock Lefty Dec 2015 #36

Not useless. But why did only 25% of DFA members participate? onenote Dec 2015 #37

Dfa are Dean fans from 2004 PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #45

Because more often than not Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #46

Thanks for the info. onenote Dec 2015 #58

You think a dataset of nearly 271,000 isn't large enough to make quality projection? What about Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #95

That's not what I said. onenote Dec 2015 #151

Nope. That's a pretty useful one. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2015 #38

The Sanderstorm continues... SoapBox Dec 2015 #47

And DFA will now do.....what? brooklynite Dec 2015 #48

This. retrowire Dec 2015 #49

Thanks so much, retrowire! nt Duval Dec 2015 #66

Not the answer tazkcmo Dec 2015 #94

Or, maybe this.... postatomic Dec 2015 #129

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #50

Thanks for the KnR Uncle Joe. :) n/t retrowire Dec 2015 #51

It was cosmic, 50th post on this thread and 50th rec. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #54

You would do well to know a bit of history about media/poll winning, here let me help you with that. NotHardly Dec 2015 #53

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #55

Yeah, I guess DFA is some obscure Duval Dec 2015 #61

Revolution Calling!! *Runs off to listen to Queensryche* AzDar Dec 2015 #64

Right. All one has to do is give a name (real or not), email address (real or not) and zip code.... George II Dec 2015 #70

I know, lots of people have more than one email. cwydro Dec 2015 #71

Like you, I have two that are pretty active (one I use to respond to spam) and........ George II Dec 2015 #74

Yeah, you know that's true. cwydro Dec 2015 #120

no haha, you just proved you're lying orr retrowire Dec 2015 #75

They also proved h supporters have multiple email accounts and she still lost. nt artislife Dec 2015 #203

Bernie had a huge majority in this actual bona fide vote, no doubt about it. thereismore Dec 2015 #76

exactly. nt retrowire Dec 2015 #81

This was a poll of members of liberal organization. They follow politics closely. Eric J in MN Dec 2015 #99

Yawn... Historic NY Dec 2015 #112

But clickitty click and stuff?!?!! AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #118

kick! n/t in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #119

kick! n/t in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #121

This was not a poll... PosterChild Dec 2015 #124

It was a DFA membership poll. Words have meanings. They don't change meanings when Bernie merrily Dec 2015 #128

They didn't call it a poll.... PosterChild Dec 2015 #292

Who claimed that an organization's endorsement represents the nation as a whole? merrily Dec 2015 #294

In my reading, the OP did... PosterChild Dec 2015 #295

Maybe read it again? merrily Dec 2015 #296

I did... PosterChild Dec 2015 #297

Another one??? ronnykmarshall Dec 2015 #130

Bouncy! MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #134

But it wasn't "scientific!" RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #143

If it were "scientific" they would have only polled 400 DNC Dems Lorien Dec 2015 #201

I am glad that I am not the only one RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #225

Well in order to game that particular poll, I guess SandersDem Dec 2015 #147

It is so funny to scroll through and see who is pearl clutching! artislife Dec 2015 #156

Yep, one of the most amusing in quite a while. n/t bvf Dec 2015 #194

I think that Autumn Dec 2015 #196

Terrified enough to start the dirty tricks: Lorien Dec 2015 #202

Hmm, so the DNC vendor screws up and Bernie's campaign reports the screw up and they suspend Live and Learn Dec 2015 #210

It makes a lot of sense when you realize the DNC released this at this time so Autumn Dec 2015 #251

+1. bvf Dec 2015 #212

K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #234

Pretty much. book_worm Dec 2015 #245

Thing is, they wouldn't have NEEDED to hack it jmowreader Dec 2015 #267

your entire post basically says retrowire Dec 2015 #278

Either that, or Hillary supporters don't care about online polls jmowreader Dec 2015 #281

The Hillary supporters "all think and do alike" defense doesn't work retrowire Dec 2015 #289

K&R. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #270

I don't see any randomness in the sampling method, which throws up statistical red flags. eom yawnmaster Dec 2015 #272

I like Bernie, but I don't think you understand polling etherealtruth Dec 2015 #279

Polls Sanders_Activitism Dec 2015 #285

And even then, most people don't answer their cell phones for strange numbers.... retrowire Dec 2015 #290

Is that better or worse than a useless online post? LanternWaste Dec 2015 #288

It's better. retrowire Dec 2015 #291