2016 Postmortem

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I worked on the DNC IT Department(db specialist) during the 2004 election. My opinion on the breach: [View all] bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 OP

I see it that way too. nt thereismore Dec 2015 #1

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #3

When calling the DNC Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #36

Wonderful info..I shall share it on my FB. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2015 #166

" sorry, no one is available right now...leave a message" dixiegrrrrl Dec 2015 #169

No, it's only good when originating from a known Big Bank phone exchange. erronis Dec 2015 #172

Except this is NOT related to a known leak that was allowed to persist. pnwmom Dec 2015 #64

AFAIK, its the same leak that kept recurring cprise Dec 2015 #78

You seem to know a lot more than has been made public. nt thereismore Dec 2015 #82

I read that the system was being "tweaked" today when the error occurred. pnwmom Dec 2015 #84

How do you know that? Unknown Beatle Dec 2015 #86

I don't have a link but I heard that as well. I I remember the system was being worked on napi21 Dec 2015 #132

K&R Go Vols Dec 2015 #2

So the company did nothing when notified azmom Dec 2015 #4

Well...security hole was still there. jeff47 Dec 2015 #7

I thought maybe this was a different hole. azmom Dec 2015 #14

Nope, same hole. jeff47 Dec 2015 #16

I don't know the exact nature of the security flaw, but... bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #26

From the little bits and pieces that have been leaked jeff47 Dec 2015 #29

O.M.G. nt SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #68

An outage notification should have been sent out and all access denied during that time frame.. frylock Dec 2015 #75

I guess they don't believe in tech windows for updates. valerief Dec 2015 #104

Team Clinton seems to know fuckall about best practice. frylock Dec 2015 #107

I doubt the "security hole" had anything to do with firewalls/routers/etc. erronis Dec 2015 #174

Unless it was a feature *masquerading* as a bug. nt tblue37 Dec 2015 #175

The vendor has a monoply on Democratic voter data. PDittie Dec 2015 #120

Sanders honesty is apparent and DWS has an agenda bjobotts Dec 2015 #142

It is simple safe practice to have removed external access until patched and PROPERLY TESTED newthinking Dec 2015 #98

Thanks for the professional input Hepburn Dec 2015 #5

To attempt to answer this: Jarqui Dec 2015 #6

I didn't know that piece of info, thank you. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #28

And that he apparently asked others to do stuff to prove the breach using their real email addresses Jarqui Dec 2015 #35

I have a feeling Clinton will come out clean. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #37

If they got the email addresses this time, why wouldn't they have them from 8 weeks ago? Jarqui Dec 2015 #41

The DNC provided that info, right? bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #43

Either they or the vendor Jarqui Dec 2015 #46

I'm suspicious Plucketeer Dec 2015 #90

Well here is the real damning evidence of that. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #115

You mean wipe it? Like with a dishtowel? Divernan Dec 2015 #112

Where is anonymous? They could sort this out very honestly! peacebird Dec 2015 #94

Hadn't thought of that. Veeeery intersting navarth Dec 2015 #167

Hillary and DWS are busy using their dust clothes to wipe jwirr Dec 2015 #72

What do you want to bet that the security logs from October have been overwritten? frylock Dec 2015 #79

Darn good chance, yep. Jarqui Dec 2015 #83

That would be a perfectly ordinary test case for a new software installation. valerief Dec 2015 #67

I suspect it is a combination of things that were needed Jarqui Dec 2015 #80

Maybe their user access didn't give them access to it. It wasn't like they defined their own valerief Dec 2015 #87

It could have gone like that - Jarqui Dec 2015 #91

We may never know what really happened. nt valerief Dec 2015 #95

"except gone after O'Malley's data instead " blackspade Dec 2015 #133

Yeah right rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #177

And I should believe you? blackspade Dec 2015 #178

I completely agree on the sabotage. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #96

The rnc is probably surfing that shit right now elehhhhna Dec 2015 #156

The RNC probably pop in and download the whole thing once a month Jarqui Dec 2015 #157

How about the 1%er like donors? DhhD Dec 2015 #158

I would like to add that every software vendor I have ever felt with says the same LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #8

Like the black hatters who hacked a Jeep Bernin4U Dec 2015 #21

Yep... LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #25

I've been in software for 35 years Jarqui Dec 2015 #38

Spot on. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #45

Yeah, I know people in s/w QA Bernin4U Dec 2015 #57

Bingo! QA was first to go. nt valerief Dec 2015 #70

This was not an ordinary software glich... PosterChild Dec 2015 #125

I go to my boss and say "our data was compromised ... there was a security glitch" Jarqui Dec 2015 #127

What your boss didn't say in your example is.... PosterChild Dec 2015 #138

Something similar with the Chris Roberts case pugetres Dec 2015 #51

Why did you write so much? upaloopa Dec 2015 #9

Try reading all those words. I know there's a lot of them, but I'm sure you can get through it. jeff47 Dec 2015 #11

"I shouldn't give some people the benefit of the doubt" Android3.14 Dec 2015 #15

Jesus, present a well-reasoned and thoughtful analysis by someone with real world experience dorkzilla Dec 2015 #42

That's so funny. Too much information, not enough talking point invective? Facts which might get Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #17

You missed my point in that comment. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #18

Bobbo, it seems to me that... hedda_foil Dec 2015 #151

Yes, I took a look at the software after I wrote the OP bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #159

Thank you for looking into this, bobbobobbins. hedda_foil Dec 2015 #165

DNC/DWS is "in the bag for Clinton". <-this is a very commonplace supposition 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #27

why do you just make stuff up? stupidicus Dec 2015 #34

Why don't you just admit you cannot follow the conversation? nt artislife Dec 2015 #58

4 seperate accounts and 25 searches. Tommy2Tone Dec 2015 #10

I don't get your point. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #19

They didn't report this breach. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #12

It was the same breach. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #20

IMO, he should have called up his counterpart at the Clinton campaign jeff47 Dec 2015 #13

Thats good in theory... bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #22

Yes, hence the last line about practical (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #23

Sorry, I was just expanding on that. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #31

Oh, nothing to apologize about. I was agreeing with you. jeff47 Dec 2015 #32

K & R Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 #24

Thanks for your insight. bigwillq Dec 2015 #30

I am a security professional that deals with these types of data loss incidents. Maedhros Dec 2015 #33

I currently have access to Votebuilder (new user) PADemD Dec 2015 #49

For sensitive systems, there is usually a notice that is displayed when logging on. Maedhros Dec 2015 #76

How is it that you have access to Votebuilder murielm99 Dec 2015 #148

Not the Sanders campaign. PADemD Dec 2015 #152

I know that many campaigns use it. murielm99 Dec 2015 #154

That makes four of us on this thread who agree. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #61

...^ that 840high Dec 2015 #122

K&R nt magical thyme Dec 2015 #39

Thank You. As an ex IT tech manager....... Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #40

Thank you! bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #47

LOL Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #53

About that job opening.... Jim Lane Dec 2015 #121

Haha, that would be awesome! bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #160

I do appreciate your taking the time and making the effort to explain this here Samantha Dec 2015 #44

Thank you for adding this. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #55

"interested in the repercussions of the denial of data to Sanders" 6chars Dec 2015 #92

Thank you kenfrequed Dec 2015 #48

Stu was wiping his keyboard clean, with a cloth Agony Dec 2015 #50

Haha! bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #62

My impression the door was left open on purpose... DVRacer Dec 2015 #52

Thats possible. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #77

Or it is possible... Curmudgeoness Dec 2015 #124

Thats the most likely scenario. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #163

The likely reason the firewall was repeatedly compromised was to NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #168

K & R, bob! Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #54

It was not concerning the same database. boston bean Dec 2015 #56

What are you referring to? bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #63

The database the sanders persons informed the DNC boston bean Dec 2015 #93

So the DNC had two messed up databases? bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #97

It certainly does show some misstating of facts boston bean Dec 2015 #102

That isn't really a misstating of facts. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #108

NGP is like Windows - multiple add-ons to an original product IllinoisBirdWatcher Dec 2015 #176

that poster is incorrect questionseverything Dec 2015 #171

And your point? paleotn Dec 2015 #99

Thanks for adding this. OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #71

Would you mind clarifying? bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #88

To be honest, I didn't read much of your post. OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #101

I'm not misstating it. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #109

Who cares about facts and evidence? It's gotten the obligatory "Head in Sand" 220 recs dammit! Number23 Dec 2015 #143

It's today's Meme Hydra. Tomorrow it'll be back to Lizard People. OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #144

Yep. It's like these sudden "poc" that suddenly felt compelled to out themselves when the issue of Number23 Dec 2015 #145

It only makes sense. OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #146

He clearly states ejbr Dec 2015 #89

Best response to this manufactured crisis that saidsimplesimon Dec 2015 #59

While I prefer Hillary to Bernie, DWS enrages me elfin Dec 2015 #60

Your whole post is predicated on a point that isn't supported by published reports. pnwmom Dec 2015 #65

I believe the reports state it was the same recurring leak. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #100

They alerted the DNC to a previous glitch, but I've never seen them say this door was open pnwmom Dec 2015 #105

Thats not a valid analogy. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #111

The door was not sitting open the whole time. And Uretsky knew very well he wasn't allowed pnwmom Dec 2015 #113

If a company is holding someones data bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #116

But you don't check your data by going into your competitor's data and downloading their files. pnwmom Dec 2015 #118

And that worked really well when they first found the security flaw in October. valerief Dec 2015 #126

Then he should have told them again and told them he'd take it to the media pnwmom Dec 2015 #128

DNC spokesman Luis Miranda admitted to bringing it first to the media. nt valerief Dec 2015 #129

"Admitted to"? The Sanders campaign SHOULD have, if they couldn't get the DNC to do anything. pnwmom Dec 2015 #130

Yes, I heard him say it on a clip. This could have been a non-issue if he hadn't told the press. nt valerief Dec 2015 #131

Thank you. This makes sense to me. nt SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #66

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #69

1 of the first reasonable analyses.. pretty clear that DWS is overstepping & hurting Democrats highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #73

We know they are desperate to find dirt on Bernie's campaign, it's no surprise that they would leap GoneFishin Dec 2015 #74

Thank you for some factual background. PatrickforO Dec 2015 #81

IT and data management has come a long way in the last 11 years. George II Dec 2015 #85

Yes it has...and somehow I've managed to keep up with it... bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #103

Vote for Hillary Clinton and prepare yourself for four years of this shit tularetom Dec 2015 #106

The Angel of Revenge with her voluminous Enemies List! Divernan Dec 2015 #117

drip ... drip ... drip ... baldguy Dec 2015 #110

K&R Paka Dec 2015 #114

Hillary supporters, where are your rationalizations for this one? But then again, Indepatriot Dec 2015 #119

I generally agree with you, except on the second point.... PosterChild Dec 2015 #123

I agree in hindsight they should have stopped immediately. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #162

I wish that I could rec this twice...... glinda Dec 2015 #134

Thanks For Posting... It's Time DWS is Outed!!! ChiciB1 Dec 2015 #135

One explanation for checking vulnerability of Hillary's info was to see if breach was "selective"... cascadiance Dec 2015 #136

Thanks for the insight... Thespian2 Dec 2015 #137

Excellent OP blackspade Dec 2015 #139

Something I'd be interested in knowing moondust Dec 2015 #140

Add to all of that the vendor was Hillary's IT guy from 2008. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #141

I was astounded at the dirty tricks that DWS is pulling emsimon33 Dec 2015 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #150

I wonder if we throw water on her if she will go up in smoke! emsimon33 Dec 2015 #153

DNC cannot safeguard donor information then blames Sanders... LS_Editor Dec 2015 #149

The main point is that the Chairwoman, Debbie and all the rest of the DNC committee should be fired rladdi Dec 2015 #155

You just went on lots of Hillary supporters' "Enemies" lists. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #161

Haha, they can bring it. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #164

K & R SoapBox Dec 2015 #170

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #173