2016 Postmortem

ljm2002

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164. Which makes my point...

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:26 PM

Dec 2015

...that saying, essentially, "where there's smoke, there's fire" is often not borne out by the facts of the case.

You attempted to make that argument in today's case, by asking: If there is nothing nefarious, then why the uproar? -- I showed why that is not a good argument, by citing two examples that apply to Clinton. Your argument here reinforces mine. QED

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The Lawsuit has been filed!! [View all] Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 OP

I'm a Bernie supporter but I'm mmonk Dec 2015 #1

Why are you sad? (nt) bigwillq Dec 2015 #4

Probably because it's alleged that the campaign DID download information. nt MADem Dec 2015 #7

Not quite that simple. mmonk Dec 2015 #13

I agree that everything has not been revealed, but what they are revealing on ABC is horrible. MADem Dec 2015 #65

Please think logically. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #80

I agree with you GitRDun Dec 2015 #87

Who is 'reporting' that they reported? MADem Dec 2015 #91

Evidence Gathering 101! An important step in an effort to discover their exposure JimDandy Dec 2015 #126

I asked an actual question--and you replied with Junior Detective Snark. Why? MADem Dec 2015 #137

Perhaps because they got all they needed or wanted, and they were on the verge..... George II Dec 2015 #111

"...on the verge..." Fawke Em Dec 2015 #120

But that's how it works on the movies! Scootaloo Dec 2015 #177

SNORT. I really did laugh out loud at this! Fawke Em Dec 2015 #178

... Scootaloo Dec 2015 #179

OMG! Is that a Commode Door! Fawke Em Dec 2015 #180

I think you need to stop rofl-ing. MADem Dec 2015 #184

I think that company just violated federal law. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #185

That's not what the former supervisor of the computer crimes division at the Justice Department MADem Dec 2015 #187

Okay silenttigersong Dec 2015 #182

To be clear angrychair Dec 2015 #97

K&R (nt) Babel_17 Dec 2015 #112

What was the reason for four people to do dozens of keyword searches over a four hour period? MADem Dec 2015 #140

... questionseverything Dec 2015 #154

I can repeat the question if you didn't understand it the first time. MADem Dec 2015 #159

They admitted it. tecelote Dec 2015 #45

No. They DOWNLOADED material, they didn't just "look at it and report it," they stole a copy, MADem Dec 2015 #63

Turn on ABC!! WOW !! YIKERS>>> A B C !!! pangaia Dec 2015 #66

I'm going to just memorialize that. MADem Dec 2015 #69

Thanks for the heads up.. I corrected my typo from ABEC to ABC. pangaia Dec 2015 #72

I am not watching it either Samantha Dec 2015 #103

Well, too late now, anyway--but it lives online, I'm sure. MADem Dec 2015 #144

Upon information and belief is a legal term I have typed thousands of times Samantha Dec 2015 #156

And you can have one percent information and 99 percent belief. MADem Dec 2015 #161

Then, why did they report it in the past. tecelote Dec 2015 #68

I don't think this is as much about Bernie as his STAFF. MADem Dec 2015 #76

It already HAS bitten the DNC. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #104

And those can be "brigaded" as well. MADem Dec 2015 #145

You ask, "If nothing was nefarious, why the uproar?"... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #121

Ah, but what you are trying to do is called "Changing the subject" and it's a common tactic when MADem Dec 2015 #150

No I did not change the subject... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #155

Well, those cases petered out. They're regarded by most people--save those with a desire to "get" MADem Dec 2015 #162

Which makes my point... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #164

Perhaps it makes mine--Sanders will have his day in court, and the court just may MADem Dec 2015 #166

can't WAIT for DISCOVERY!!! nashville_brook Dec 2015 #176

I would guess party division. Such a waste. Gregorian Dec 2015 #16

It is. I don't see how anyone reading this could think this is a good thing for Sanders Number23 Dec 2015 #22

let this old lady tell you something, infants. This is what a REAL dem roguevalley Dec 2015 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Mika Dec 2015 #29

And let this "infant" tell you something, self described "old lady" Number23 Dec 2015 #30

We're shaking in our wheelchairs !! pangaia Dec 2015 #70

you should. consider guiilt by association. schultz makes no bones but whatever makes you happy. :D roguevalley Dec 2015 #125

Wait,, I'm on your side... pangaia Dec 2015 #146

That's great! Exercise is good for the mind and body. Number23 Dec 2015 #169

I get plenty of exercise at the gym, on my bike and walking in the woods, thank you. pangaia Dec 2015 #174

That's wonderful too. Number23 Dec 2015 #175

Did you bother to read the lawsuit? chervilant Dec 2015 #71

The DNC breached their contract. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #106

No, they didn't. He's suspended, not terminated. MADem Dec 2015 #147

self described hillarian, this is going to blow up in their faces. She had two months to fix this roguevalley Dec 2015 #124

Yep, senz Dec 2015 #143

Are you having trouble keeping track? Number23 Dec 2015 #170

Are you speaking for yourself? You are a "self described hillarian" and you sport that avatar? MADem Dec 2015 #183

Hey senz Dec 2015 #138

Oh, I'm all for it. Gregorian Dec 2015 #33

I'm with you, "old lady." Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #48

+100000000000000! UglyGreed Dec 2015 #49

This old lady liberal Dem is with you all the way! n/t Hepburn Dec 2015 #73

hugs, Hepburn. One of my old uncle's best friends was Hubert Humphrey roguevalley Dec 2015 #128

Happiest of Holidays to you, my dear Rogue! Hepburn Dec 2015 #131

My heroes. We have a shoe pin for Adlai. :D LOVED that man and roguevalley Dec 2015 #132

My first memory was working in 1960 for JFK Hepburn Dec 2015 #133

Yes. redwitch Dec 2015 #123

"Real Dems?" He couldn't be bothered with us for a third of a century. Whatever. nt MADem Dec 2015 #136

Like I said, they need an army of pick axes to find them, they're so deep in denial Number23 Dec 2015 #171

We've been devided for ages. Liberals are the red headed step child to third wayers. haikugal Dec 2015 #53

There ya UglyGreed Dec 2015 #57

I add my "AMEN!" Hepburn Dec 2015 #88

I hear you loud and clear UglyGreed Dec 2015 #101

Oh, SNAP! chervilant Dec 2015 #90

You are sad, I'm laughing at the IRONY.. OLDMADAM Dec 2015 #139

I wonder if the $120,000 paid to the Iowa Democratic Party is just for the Iowa database? LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #2

" rights of termination to cases of prolonged and volunt ary breach." Gregorian Dec 2015 #3

Excellent! He cannot treat this type DWS action with kid gloves. Shows he is not going to be bullied peacebird Dec 2015 #5

You know what? Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #8

Agree totally peacebird Dec 2015 #11

Why, he wasn't in it to win? pocoloco Dec 2015 #127

I don't think they'll win, particularly since it is coming out that they DOWNLOADED information. MADem Dec 2015 #6

Your time Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #9

OK. MADem Dec 2015 #81

DWS lied. The database contractor states plainly there was NO EXPORT, NO SAVE. peacebird Dec 2015 #15

Apparently there were dozens of keyword searches and downloads. nt MADem Dec 2015 #79

So Hillarys 2008 tech guy is completely incompetent? He didn't know data could be exported or saved? peacebird Dec 2015 #83

Look, I am uninterested in going far afield with who's who in this zoo. Someone from the Sanders MADem Dec 2015 #96

Let's get an INDEPENDENT investigation. Not Hillary's former tech guy & campaign manager peacebird Dec 2015 #105

I've no problem with that. nt MADem Dec 2015 #151

LOL. They have said and will say ANYTHING to cover their asses. We need a full independent audit of mhatrw Dec 2015 #18

They have evidence VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #31

Of course they have evidence. Clinton's Cronyforce vendor created the security breach and sat back mhatrw Dec 2015 #38

Thats not a crime my dear... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #40

LOL. A Clinton staffer wrote the program and has full unfettered access to the database! mhatrw Dec 2015 #50

Compiling evidence of negligence isn't a crime, either cprise Dec 2015 #61

Yeah I'm wondering if they weren't pulling a 'sneakers' type move Volaris Dec 2015 #114

This happens regularly in tech cprise Dec 2015 #163

Well at least some branch of journalism has some standards.. Volaris Dec 2015 #167

Apparently four Sanders people ran keyword searches and downloaded material. MADem Dec 2015 #67

They were caught defending themselves against a corrupt vendor. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #108

Really--and the way you "defend yourself" is to start looking for marketing info in Clinton's files? MADem Dec 2015 #148

Yes. You see what they can do with your data by seeing what you can do with their data. nt mhatrw Dec 2015 #158

Come on. That's just absurd. Sorry, Not for a second do I buy that as an excuse. nt MADem Dec 2015 #160

Burnie shoots himself in the foot again workinclasszero Dec 2015 #10

Actually you better do an internet search Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #12

Thank You for That. Phlem Dec 2015 #64

See my post 15 peacebird Dec 2015 #17

Let's get those facts on the table then. nt mhatrw Dec 2015 #19

Paragraph 14 Hepburn Dec 2015 #14

Yeah but, paragraph 16) Gregorian Dec 2015 #20

That is true, but the issue is Hepburn Dec 2015 #23

I'm just playing. I agree. Gregorian Dec 2015 #39

The DNC looks dirty on this... Hepburn Dec 2015 #62

I'm sending this to my friends that have worked or been in contract. Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #25

Anything to get off this hook right? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #27

We shall see Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #34

I am a retired lawyer. Hepburn Dec 2015 #35

Thank you that's what my reading of the contract meant Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #41

You did a good job on understanding what is going on. Hepburn Dec 2015 #47

Daniel Sheehan...the Pentagon Paper and Karen Silkwood among other Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #52

Thanks for this analysis, Hepburn. elleng Dec 2015 #46

Heya...love the law, but love being retired! Hepburn Dec 2015 #51

I love it too, and do NOT love being retired! elleng Dec 2015 #54

I am fairly current, but mostly CA law. Hepburn Dec 2015 #59

IL admission, elleng Dec 2015 #74

Lead me on to it! Hepburn Dec 2015 #78

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251913855 elleng Dec 2015 #89

Hey, Ellen...thanks! Hepburn Dec 2015 #92

You're welcome, and I agree, elleng Dec 2015 #95

Thank you elleng Autumn Dec 2015 #115

You're welcome, Autumn. elleng Dec 2015 #116

What is your opinion on this asked down thread by another poster? Autumn Dec 2015 #117

DNC's still messing up. elleng Dec 2015 #119

Wow. That is scary, I fear the DNC may have just given the White House to the GOP in 2016 Autumn Dec 2015 #122

Dems specialize in such, elleng Dec 2015 #129

Boy did the some respond to this post besides Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #75

It surely is a major case! elleng Dec 2015 #107

Really? Where is the federal jurisdiction ? Gothmog Dec 2015 #58

First and second paragraphs: elleng Dec 2015 #98

Hahahaa.. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #28

The "theft" of what exactly? What was "stolen"? How did this "theft" hurt Clinton or help Sanders? mhatrw Dec 2015 #42

They try in vain everyday to prove otherwise. nt. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #152

kick! Segami Dec 2015 #21

He better lawyer up! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #26

+1 stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #60

A cursory reading would suggest that they have cause for reinstatement... OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #32

What basis for redress for Clinton campaign? elleng Dec 2015 #37

For you and my other interlocutor: OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #85

Redress? How did the access of data the vendor failed to secure hurt Clinton or help Sanders? mhatrw Dec 2015 #43

i bet during the trial we will find more wrongdoing from the Sander's campaign ProudToBeLiberal Dec 2015 #36

LOL. A Clinton staffer wrote the program and has full unfettered access to the database! nt mhatrw Dec 2015 #44

Here is a clue: Hepburn Dec 2015 #55

It is poorly drafted and there is no federal jurisdiction Gothmog Dec 2015 #56

Call me prescient but about a week ago I started getting the Cleita Dec 2015 #77

Well, Bernie went and started one for ya! bigwillq Dec 2015 #84

This infighted, he did this, she did that elmac Dec 2015 #82

This situation will not even influence the primary bigwillq Dec 2015 #86

Low turnout do to disenfranchised voters elmac Dec 2015 #99

Think again. nt Duppers Dec 2015 #94

We will see elmac Dec 2015 #102

And THIS is how Bernie will handle the RNC Duppers Dec 2015 #93

anybody else catch this? Lazy Daisy Dec 2015 #100

If this situation gets worse elmac Dec 2015 #109

My thoughts exactly PFunk1 Dec 2015 #110

Bernie could be seen as the conquering hero. Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #118

Clinton's top donors would rather have a republican than a Sanders n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #130

IMO, you are correct. Hepburn Dec 2015 #134

I saw that, seems top me it says this vendor has a history of problems HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #113

Petulant whinge Tarc Dec 2015 #135

Bully for him. Isn't he the man. seabeyond Dec 2015 #141

I give it to no later than Monday noon before it's laughed out of court. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #142

Go Bernie. Truth to power. dinkytron Dec 2015 #149

I suspect this is going nowhere. DCBob Dec 2015 #153

Oh sure .... senz Dec 2015 #168

Yeah, maybe the whole thing should've been taken care of in-house. frylock Dec 2015 #173

I'm afraid Sanders' staff pulled the rug out from under him. MADem Dec 2015 #189

I think the four illegal downloaders could face charges. MADem Dec 2015 #181

I love hearing from Yahoo, who are yahoos. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #186

Awww, sorry--that isn't "Yahoo." It's ASSOCIATED PRESS, offered through that portal. MADem Dec 2015 #188

Bernie is our next president. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #190

GOOD !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #157

The "Clubhouse" kept the data from both candidates and The Second Stone Dec 2015 #165

Well, Bernie finally got Karma13612 Dec 2015 #172