2016 Postmortem

pandr32

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167. That's not logic

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:18 PM

Dec 2015

Sorry. How do you know that the DNC "buckled?" Why if true?
Please use reason to show how you reached this assertion. Perhaps there is another explanation you refuse to consider.
We already know that data was saved (downloaded into their files) by BS staffers, so the discussion is really both an ethical and a legal one...does unauthorized gleaning of sensitive data belonging to a presidential opponent constitute a theft? Of course we also have to solve the problem of whether the fact that the firewall was temporarily down changes anything...just because one can, should one?
Then there is the problem of the lawsuit itself...could it possibly be a strategy? Investigations usually take time, and sometimes a long time, just as a point to consider. There are so many legal steps and filings. Anyone can file a lawsuit.
Your assertion in line three is based on what fact? Please link.

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The Bernie campaign never stole anything. Discontinue spreading this misinformation. [View all] retrowire Dec 2015 OP

Why'd an innocent guy get fired? Real loyalty there. LMAO. nt LexVegas Dec 2015 #1

spin spin spin spin spin retrowire Dec 2015 #5

He's the Capt of his ship....... Historic NY Dec 2015 #33

What rule was broken? 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #162

A folder was breached that shouldn't have been. nt retrowire Dec 2015 #164

How does one look in a folder(s) ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #172

Easy, retrowire Dec 2015 #178

Uretsky SAVED data, he didn't just peek.nt SunSeeker Dec 2015 #182

From the security firm themselves... retrowire Dec 2015 #191

The audit subsequently found otherwise. And Uretsky ADMITTED he saved data. SunSeeker Dec 2015 #197

Fine, then who is telling the truth? retrowire Dec 2015 #198

I think the vendor spoke before they had all the facts. SunSeeker Dec 2015 #200

His or her link doesn't support the claim. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #211

+1 BeanMusical Dec 2015 #218

Nice try but your source doesn't say that. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #210

There's hundreds of ways to save data. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #208

So, if I break into your house SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #163

That's breaking and entering. retrowire Dec 2015 #166

I think you just reinforced my point SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #168

Liar. It's more like adjoining hotel rooms with the adjoining security door missing tdb63 Dec 2015 #177

Good analogy. But THEY don't care. THEY have their scripts and are well paid. erronis Dec 2015 #185

not to mention green917 Dec 2015 #187

but but they peeked at my unmentionables! Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #196

Liar ?? SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #199

No, he called you a liar because your post was bullshit. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #212

It wouldn't be breaking and entry if you left the doors wide open. n/t Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #190

He was not innocent. He violated protocols. He was fired. longship Dec 2015 #19

I'd love to put it to bed but one side keeps putting endless OPs out yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #84

I have just what you need randys1 Dec 2015 #109

Bad (political) judgement newthinking Dec 2015 #67

Pound Of Flesh Blue State Bandit Dec 2015 #71

I see that the OP's point went straight over your head. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #209

Yes, why did they fire Josh Uretsky? Because bernie wanted to throw an innocent man under the Cha Dec 2015 #225

ummm why leave this out! boston bean Dec 2015 #2

Exactly! BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #13

No data was retained. Read the OP. nt retrowire Dec 2015 #15

regardless of what your OP says, you are wrong. boston bean Dec 2015 #27

Hmmm... trust the media orrr trust the actual security firm responsible? Hmmmm... nt retrowire Dec 2015 #48

Amazing how Hillary can't seem to secure her stuff. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #86

Maybe she needs to upgrade from wiping clothes to chamois? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #203

Bam! Great point. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #213

I don't think The Revolution gets that cut-and-paste LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #96

Here's some logic for you. retrowire Dec 2015 #108

That's not logic pandr32 Dec 2015 #167

Who took this to Time" and further, from the IT's words libdem4life Dec 2015 #115

What about screen shots? brush Dec 2015 #134

Well obviously if this had been done... retrowire Dec 2015 #136

Didn't the DNC want an audit done to see if any data was taken? brush Dec 2015 #153

Them dropping in face of a lawsuit puts that in a odd light... Lancero Dec 2015 #169

Allowing the lawsuit to proceed was a political non-starter ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #170

How do you know xerox copies weren't made? JaneyVee Dec 2015 #207

Because the DNC gave Bernie back his data? retrowire Dec 2015 #214

This Citizen Would Never Suspect That Mere Facts Would Stand In Way Of Team HRC cantbeserious Dec 2015 #3

Thank you! The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2015 #4

See post 2. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #6

No data was retained. Read the OP. nt retrowire Dec 2015 #16

They could have run off xerox copies. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #41

Hmmm... trust the media orrr trust the actual security firm responsible? Hmmmm... nt retrowire Dec 2015 #47

Media. Treant Dec 2015 #156

Plus.... retrowire Dec 2015 #110

They can not stop the lies PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #7

Lets face it,this is a typical campaign style INdemo Dec 2015 #131

Or worried about the outcome of an investigation, perhaps? Duval Dec 2015 #184

This is so low though as many have said but INdemo Dec 2015 #215

Atwater, Clinton - perhaps a good link. erronis Dec 2015 #188

Interesting link. Thanks! Duval Dec 2015 #194

Yeah it's settled. The Bernie Sanders campaign stole hillary data. moobu2 Dec 2015 #8

Didn't read the official statement from the security firm in my OP? lol dude stop lmao nt retrowire Dec 2015 #18

They ignore this..from an HP story Tommy2Tone Dec 2015 #63

lying like a cheap watch. Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #82

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #98

oh, it's "adult" to just let lies stand? Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #104

Truth and facts have no place in Camp Weathervane. 99Forever Dec 2015 #9

Dirty campaign, huh? You mean like stealing data? No, not that dirty. That's Sanders territory. DanTex Dec 2015 #14

Didn't read the official statement from the security firm in my OP? lol dude stop lmao nt retrowire Dec 2015 #21

"only one campaign took actions that could possibly have led to it retaining data to which it should DanTex Dec 2015 #26

No data was retained. Read the OP. nt retrowire Dec 2015 #31

The word "retained" was used by the vendor. I get that you disagree with the vendor, but DanTex Dec 2015 #34

Who's the exception? hmmm... nt retrowire Dec 2015 #46

That would be the Bernie Sanders campaign... DanTex Dec 2015 #49

And if they had that dirt they would spill it. retrowire Dec 2015 #53

Conspiracy! DanTex Dec 2015 #58

Whole OP is false? retrowire Dec 2015 #61

Yup. Bernie's campaign stole data. Your own links show that. May even have retained the data. DanTex Dec 2015 #68

... retrowire Dec 2015 #72

They definitely accessed it improperly, and they may or may not have retained the data. DanTex Dec 2015 #76

No that's not theft. retrowire Dec 2015 #81

These aren't physical valuables, it's data. DanTex Dec 2015 #95

You gonna memorize hundreds of phone numbers and voter demographics? lol retrowire Dec 2015 #111

Highlight, cut and paste. LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #121

Clearly. retrowire Dec 2015 #130

Not me, unlike Bernie's campaign, I don't steal data. DanTex Dec 2015 #122

lmao you're really trying. retrowire Dec 2015 #126

It's very simple. The data was stolen, nobody knows what they did with it afterwards. DanTex Dec 2015 #128

They stole it, even though no one knows if they stole it. retrowire Dec 2015 #132

Everyone knows they stole it. Nobody knows what they did with it after they stole it. DanTex Dec 2015 #137

But nobody knows whether or not they retained anything. retrowire Dec 2015 #139

And you will be in the same situation once you send me all your passwords. DanTex Dec 2015 #141

You're being weird. retrowire Dec 2015 #145

LOL. Dodge. But I get it, when it's Clinton's data, there's a whole different standard. DanTex Dec 2015 #148

Yeah, it's a dodge because I treat people online how I'd treat them in real life. retrowire Dec 2015 #152

It's a dodge because you have no response to my argument. DanTex Dec 2015 #160

Funny how the listing weathervane of Sanders ethics Skidmore Dec 2015 #20

Now that's fucking FUNNY! 99Forever Dec 2015 #102

Navel gazing will only get you Skidmore Dec 2015 #129

Dude. 99Forever Dec 2015 #205

Technically correct RandySF Dec 2015 #10

This is clearly opinion and speculation. Which has no room in the world of facts. nt retrowire Dec 2015 #23

Truth will win. Bernie will win. NowSam Dec 2015 #11

In other words, his campaign stole data. DanTex Dec 2015 #12

Yep. Ad nauseam. And they're still in denial that Sanders campaign did anything wrong. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #17

It's really revealing and amazing. retrowire Dec 2015 #25

"only one campaign took actions that could possibly have led to it retaining data DanTex Dec 2015 #30

Hmmm... trust the media orrr trust the actual security firm responsible? Hmmmm... nt retrowire Dec 2015 #43

That quote is from the actual security firm. From your link. Did you even read it? DanTex Dec 2015 #45

What's the one campaign? Why not name it? retrowire Dec 2015 #50

Everyone knows who it is. They mentioned the Sanders campaign by name earlier in the article. DanTex Dec 2015 #55

Keep trying. I'm sorry that it's not sticking. retrowire Dec 2015 #60

Outside of the Bernie bubble, everyone knows exactly what happened: Bernie's campaign stole data. DanTex Dec 2015 #65

Keep hoping. retrowire Dec 2015 #70

Odd, the words "nothing was stolen" don't appear anywhere. DanTex Dec 2015 #74

Odd, the words "Bernie's campaign stole data" don't appear anywhere. retrowire Dec 2015 #114

The access logs demonstrate that they did. And you're the one who made this OP, claiming that DanTex Dec 2015 #119

Lol actually... retrowire Dec 2015 #124

The list of logs shows improper access, i.e. stealing data. Like I said, what they did with the DanTex Dec 2015 #125

Access isn't stealing. lmao retrowire Dec 2015 #127

OK, send my all your usernames and passwords, I'll just go checking around, I promise I won't DanTex Dec 2015 #133

well, hillarians aren't a very bright bunch it would appear stupidicus Dec 2015 #51

And take note... They're not even naming what campaign that is. retrowire Dec 2015 #56

well stupidicus Dec 2015 #73

Exactly. retrowire Dec 2015 #77

We know that the Bernie camp looked at data they shouldn't have had access to, the only question is DanTex Dec 2015 #62

what hogwash stupidicus Dec 2015 #78

Stealing data isn't like stealing a car. DanTex Dec 2015 #87

yes, the false equivalence is a 3rdwayer mainstay stupidicus Dec 2015 #140

Tell you what, send me all your passwords. I'll look at your private data. DanTex Dec 2015 #144

sorry, you seem to be 'sure" some chicanery is involved stupidicus Dec 2015 #150

Not "sure" of anything, just like you won't be after I look through all your private data. DanTex Dec 2015 #151

so DWS let him off the hook then? stupidicus Dec 2015 #158

I don't know the legal details, depending on the contract, it could easily be the case that she DanTex Dec 2015 #165

oh, I see stupidicus Dec 2015 #174

here you go Florencenj2point0 Dec 2015 #22

CNN owned by Time Warner who is a major contributor to Hillary? retrowire Dec 2015 #29

well played, retrowire. nt restorefreedom Dec 2015 #35

yes and they have super powers of creating data files from thin air Florencenj2point0 Dec 2015 #42

Hmmm... trust the media orrr trust the actual security firm responsible? Hmmmm... nt retrowire Dec 2015 #44

Yes that table would be impossible to construct without magical mystical powers and a little help Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #112

But not the facts... Agschmid Dec 2015 #69

Oh dear... retrowire Dec 2015 #75

It's clearly not a conspiracy... Sanders fired someone. Agschmid Dec 2015 #79

He fired the person because they breached a folder. retrowire Dec 2015 #85

You are in denial. Agschmid Dec 2015 #91

I just said what they did wrong. They breached a folder. retrowire Dec 2015 #93

You have no idea what they or did not do. Agschmid Dec 2015 #97

You just blew my mind retrowire Dec 2015 #105

I'm glad I was able to have such a profound effect on you. Agschmid Dec 2015 #138

So do I! Quoting CNN, we all know they Duval Dec 2015 #192

Huge +1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #223

This message was self-deleted by its author retrowire Dec 2015 #100

If they wanted the data they would grab the data, not fart around constructing detailed queries for Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #116

These people have no understanding nor intention to understand how any of this works in real life. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #117

They sure as shit HOPE it works this way in real life. lol nt retrowire Dec 2015 #120

LOL, this coming from the side that promises a unicorn in every meadow? Amimnoch Dec 2015 #204

Here you go. retrowire Dec 2015 #135

If they didn't do anything wrong, why was he staffer fired? lunamagica Dec 2015 #24

I did answer that. retrowire Dec 2015 #28

Than what did he do that was wrong? lunamagica Dec 2015 #32

Breached a folder. nt retrowire Dec 2015 #37

Think again frazzled Dec 2015 #36

Hmmm... trust the media orrr trust the actual security firm responsible? Hmmmm... nt retrowire Dec 2015 #39

Too specific to ignore frazzled Dec 2015 #83

And the perp said he never stole anything. retrowire Dec 2015 #88

I'd trust the logs, not the perp /nt frazzled Dec 2015 #171

Then why are they even asking the perp? nt retrowire Dec 2015 #179

Why is Bernie hiding behind his campaign spokespeople? MoonRiver Dec 2015 #38

Why is Hillary hiding? retrowire Dec 2015 #40

why do Hillarians always change the subject stupidicus Dec 2015 #57

you would think this would settle it restorefreedom Dec 2015 #52

The poor Clintons-everyone is out to get them. jalan48 Dec 2015 #54

I do not care if unethically they went into her data and hand wrote notes or downloaded. Theft. seabeyond Dec 2015 #59

*shrugs* ok, suit yourself. nt retrowire Dec 2015 #64

It is that bright light of integrity that is blinding so many. Cheating, ... Gets one a shrug. seabeyond Dec 2015 #80

Except no theft was ever confirmed. so.. nt retrowire Dec 2015 #89

ya. See. Sanders fired the dude for nuthin'. seabeyond Dec 2015 #103

He fired him for accessing a folder. retrowire Dec 2015 #107

He stole data. Download, Notes or Brain. He stole data. This is not a tough one. seabeyond Dec 2015 #113

Uh... no. retrowire Dec 2015 #118

The "crime" wasn't a big deal, the spin blaming Clinton was utter BS. Hoyt Dec 2015 #66

It may be a stretch yes. The DNC is the true problem. nt retrowire Dec 2015 #92

All Camp Weathervane does is lie, lie, and lie some more. Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #90

The "Anything it takes" campaign. retrowire Dec 2015 #94

Yeah, how dare they make Bernie Sanders staff steal Hillary's data right? moobu2 Dec 2015 #101

Snopes says you're a liar. Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #106

No it doesn't. Snopes was pretty equivocal -- and it is an outdated post at this point. SunSeeker Dec 2015 #201

k+r Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #99

So how many times has the Hill Campaign been looking through the Sanders data? SoapBox Dec 2015 #123

Best summary and assement..... PosterChild Dec 2015 #142

And they took the appropriate actions and fired the staffer for doing so. retrowire Dec 2015 #146

Indeed. eom PosterChild Dec 2015 #149

Bernie's campaign stole data. stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #143

Yep, sure did. retrowire Dec 2015 #147

Yep, sure did. stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #154

Good to see there's a federal investigation ongoing. retrowire Dec 2015 #161

she may need a private email server. stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #176

I think they "buckled" because... PosterChild Dec 2015 #157

Haha Lokijohn Dec 2015 #206

Yes, of course I do.... PosterChild Dec 2015 #217

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #155

If I enter your database and look at your modeling files, have I not ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #159

Have you noticed the time stamps on the breaches? Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #183

You have seen the audit report? Can you post a link. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #189

I hope Bernie slams the DNC for this matt819 Dec 2015 #173

It's a cheap Rovian tactic Matariki Dec 2015 #175

but so, so predictable. AlbertCat Dec 2015 #202

This just gets crazier and crazier. Not the story, but the discussion concreteblue Dec 2015 #180

Thanks so much retrowire. I really like Duval Dec 2015 #181

Exactly. This was a white-hat job. backscatter712 Dec 2015 #186

Sorry to find out Bernie lack the stones Cryptoad Dec 2015 #193

Uhh where have you been? lmao retrowire Dec 2015 #195

"His supporters werer the reason I left his camp" BeanMusical Dec 2015 #219

Lol, yes, you were in beanies camp! Lol! IM me! Nt Logical Dec 2015 #224

Kick smiley Dec 2015 #216

Sorry kid, this is theft Tarc Dec 2015 #220

So was it the Clinton campaign or the DNC that took the guy into the back room mythology Dec 2015 #221

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #222

Go to work and turn on your computer, go to your file, and there is Clinton's shit, not once, twice. ViseGrip Dec 2015 #226

Here's What Actually Happened in the Great Sanders-Clinton Data Theft MrWendel Dec 2015 #227