2016 Postmortem

CoffeeCat

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91. She does come off as abrasive...

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:41 AM

Dec 2015

...and many of her supporters, especially online, come off as abrasive.

If you care about what people think about you, and if you care about how you make them feel--then those things do matter.

As far as her GE chances, she polls at six percent with Independents. Six. That stat alone makes it impossible for her to win.

A Presidential candidate cannot win the White House with only six percent from Independent voters.

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Clinton is going to lose in a general election [View all] Harmony Blue Dec 2015 OP

wishful thinking? wyldwolf Dec 2015 #1

It's definitely not wishful thinking. highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #117

The left says that in every election year wyldwolf Dec 2015 #118

So the Democrats think the left are dumb beasts... MattSh Dec 2015 #119

The ultra left kicks ITSELF over and over again by NOT VOTING and being the TEA LEFT. RBInMaine Dec 2015 #133

In short, yes. And lack of enthusiasm through similar tactics, has lost us many recent elections. highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #122

You realize that, in the real world outside the DU bubble, almost nobody knows what DLC was? brooklynite Dec 2015 #2

And Is That Not The True Travesty - The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Want To Keep It That Way cantbeserious Dec 2015 #6

A lot of people know about the DLC Harmony Blue Dec 2015 #17

That's true...but if they did, can you imagine? Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #41

You realize that too many of your arguments rely on "people are too stupid to know better"? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #61

And they'd love to keep it that way JackInGreen Dec 2015 #102

Yeah ok. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #3

I couldn't disagree more Dem2 Dec 2015 #4

Get your vision checked... Gloria Dec 2015 #5

Sour grapes over her win tonight. Dawson Leery Dec 2015 #7

I do not think she can win a general either. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #8

Agreed Harmony Blue Dec 2015 #15

I agree but I think her 'wishful thinking' is nothing more than window dressing. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #19

At the debate last night, she was proud of what she left in Libya. Many died there. DhhD Dec 2015 #139

Well at least we agree on one thing. Sanders isn't going to be the nominee Freddie Stubbs Dec 2015 #9

Which republican, in your view, can beat her? Beaverhausen Dec 2015 #10

All but Carson. Hepburn Dec 2015 #14

Really? Fiorina? Paul? Jeb! Beaverhausen Dec 2015 #20

No, add Paul and Fiorina... Hepburn Dec 2015 #25

I think Rubio could beat her if he can make traction in the primary. EndElectoral Dec 2015 #47

I'm bookmarking this for November 2016 alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #11

I am going to be crying not laughing Harmony Blue Dec 2015 #18

Uh huh alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #43

None of us are going to be laughing at Hillary's failed campaign jfern Dec 2015 #99

i think she did very well. i've never been her DesertFlower Dec 2015 #12

No Robbins Dec 2015 #38

Her negatives are very high. She can't win. Just look at numbers. onecaliberal Dec 2015 #56

I still think she is with the disaster capitalists. pangaia Dec 2015 #39

Nope. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #13

I agree. What I don't think her supporters are understanding SheilaT Dec 2015 #16

That hatred is rooted to the fact that she IS the ESTABLISHMENT Harmony Blue Dec 2015 #21

I think it's more fundamental than that. SheilaT Dec 2015 #50

It's misogyny straight up rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #128

To simplify the dislike of her, and to dismiss at SheilaT Dec 2015 #143

Yeah right rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #145

The hate is deep SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #22

The radical right didn't hate Obama? Beaverhausen Dec 2015 #23

IMO, to me that was unfortunately hatred based on race and hidden as anti-liberal. Hepburn Dec 2015 #31

Obama had all of the new voters. Hillary has gone out of her way to push them away Doctor_J Dec 2015 #35

What Hepburn and Dr J said. SheilaT Dec 2015 #57

But why is she consistently polling nearly double Sanders' numbers . . . brush Dec 2015 #26

he has gotten over 30% in some national polls Robbins Dec 2015 #34

I don't think she is and I do believe that the DNC stunt this week was done to hurt Sanders Hepburn Dec 2015 #46

One grocery store anecdote does not disprove all the polls though brush Dec 2015 #76

That was only one example... Hepburn Dec 2015 #82

It's also true that many polls show that SheilaT Dec 2015 #58

Not actually relevant though if he doesn't get to the general brush Dec 2015 #86

The other what's up is her negatives. SheilaT Dec 2015 #90

But you're acting as though all those repug clown car candidates don't have negatives brush Dec 2015 #93

Yes, the Republican candidates all have their own negatives, SheilaT Dec 2015 #116

We outnumber them, remember. brush Dec 2015 #124

Are you saying we should let the radical right choose our Democratic candidate? They hate Obama. Hekate Dec 2015 #29

Exactly. SunSeeker Dec 2015 #49

No. What a dumb suggestion. SheilaT Dec 2015 #69

LOL! There will NEVER be a Dem pol who will be universally loved in the party KittyWampus Dec 2015 #45

You right that there will never be a Dem pol who SheilaT Dec 2015 #73

Right will turn out in records to vote against her. Will left turn out in droves to vote for her? EndElectoral Dec 2015 #54

You summed it up exactly. Hepburn Dec 2015 #59

To whom? oberliner Dec 2015 #24

Hillary will eat Trump's lunch and leave him crying. She's genuinely tough and smart... Hekate Dec 2015 #27

She may win the primary but many Democrats will write in somebody else in the general. AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #28

If it happens, blame the people that didn't turn out NYCButterfinger Dec 2015 #30

No, we'll blame a crap candidate if she's the nominee. No more Third Way posers. AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #36

I'll blame everyone that voted for her in the primaries pengu Dec 2015 #113

If it happens - it's Hillary's fault. No one elses. 840high Dec 2015 #127

"Many" Democrats? How many? Hekate Dec 2015 #33

those aren't Democrats.They're sanctimonious, unrealistic idiots. KittyWampus Dec 2015 #53

A lot of registered Dems came out to elect Ronnie Raygun... Hepburn Dec 2015 #65

Temper tantrum alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #62

Most on the DU will, but we are not representative of the Dem party. Hepburn Dec 2015 #74

Clinton will massacre Trump in the general alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #77

I don't think she can beat him. Hepburn Dec 2015 #79

Oh Lawd alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #81

Well, you seem confident...but I do believe you are going to be very disappointed. Hepburn Dec 2015 #84

Buh bye alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #85

+1 SMH grossproffit Dec 2015 #120

Come on! And Trump doesn't have negatives? brush Dec 2015 #87

Getting blisters. okasha Dec 2015 #89

and the guy who had a Soviet flag in his office is going to win? KittyWampus Dec 2015 #32

You can lolz all you want Harmony Blue Dec 2015 #55

Oh my alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #60

someone used to have a self-immolation smilie KittyWampus Dec 2015 #63

It's funny that whats-'is-name ended up getting the shitcan over nothing alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #67

You go on with your bad self, then. MineralMan Dec 2015 #111

Only those in the DU world leftofcool Dec 2015 #144

I didn't see that at all. I found her brillliant, knowlegeable and easy to listen to lunamagica Dec 2015 #37

Her wanting to take out Assad while ISIS and Al Qaeda are running around jfern Dec 2015 #40

I thought she came off tonight more genuine than I've witnessed in the past, we cannot AuntPatsy Dec 2015 #42

I think the GOP will rip her to pieces Jarqui Dec 2015 #44

they've been trying for decades and always come out looking stupid. KittyWampus Dec 2015 #66

60% of Americans don't trust her Jarqui Dec 2015 #83

You can pretend that "likability" isn't a problem, but that doesn't make it so. Bonobo Dec 2015 #48

You wish! leftofcool Dec 2015 #51

Your concern is noted. JoePhilly Dec 2015 #52

Hillary Clinton is more radioactive than Jeb Bush Harmony Blue Dec 2015 #64

Nonsense. JoePhilly Dec 2015 #70

Should be easy enough for Senator Sanders to beat her, then alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #71

So you are saying Trump and the clowns come of as genuine and are never abrasive? Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #68

Trump has a message that some Americans are lapping up. 840high Dec 2015 #130

Anyone that laps Trump's message would never vote for a Democrat of any kind. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #132

Of course. But there are many, many people who like what 840high Dec 2015 #140

Democrats who like Trump. That puts the "only" in DINO. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #141

I think it's anyone's guess. KentuckyWoman Dec 2015 #72

She will win the primary and if the hate brings votes to another in the GE Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #75

Your probably right. The smart money is on Bernie Android3.14 Dec 2015 #78

She'll win .... Historic NY Dec 2015 #80

Well, this was entertaining. Beacool Dec 2015 #88

She does come off as abrasive... CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #91

Bernie Sanders apologized for the conduct of his staff, and she was gracious in how she accepted MADem Dec 2015 #94

I think it will be very hard to beat the Republicans this year no matter doc03 Dec 2015 #92

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I have seen polls quoted where Republicans win. All it would take is one doc03 Dec 2015 #100

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I have seen both. But it is extremly unlikely you get a person from the same party doc03 Dec 2015 #109

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Hillary is not Bill, most Democrats I know either will vote for the Republican doc03 Dec 2015 #105

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If Democrats get out and vote they win, the hard part is getting them to vote. doc03 Dec 2015 #110

that is hard to say. But, I am afraid it is quite possible. I certainly don't want Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #97

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #104

Bullshit. Please, enough of this bullshit. RBInMaine Dec 2015 #98

Is that what you're hoping for? MineralMan Dec 2015 #103

Relax. Read a book. randome Dec 2015 #106

I disagree with you DesertRat Dec 2015 #107

We'll see n/t JustAnotherGen Dec 2015 #112

Yes, but remember, she now has riversedge Dec 2015 #114

Clinton will get NO republicans to cross over and vote for her regardsless of how insane THEIR Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #115

There are some Republicans that wil vote for Hillary Nonhlanhla Dec 2015 #125

I don't think that's true. I expect r's like Jeb! to vote for her HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #136

At one time I thought moderate Rs (especially women) would vote for HRC but, Hiraeth Dec 2015 #147

If you say so, but I doubt it greatly. beaglelover Dec 2015 #121

yet she has a massive lead in the polls DrDan Dec 2015 #123

No she won't. She won't be in the general election. nt thereismore Dec 2015 #126

She is, um, up 30% in national polling. Welcome to reality. RBInMaine Dec 2015 #129

Almost a year to go. 1 more 840high Dec 2015 #134

National polling doesn't matter at this point. Ask Obama. Hell, ask Hillary. nt thereismore Dec 2015 #135

Okay, she's ahead in every State except New Hampshire. brooklynite Dec 2015 #142

It's interesting to hear... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #131

And if by chance that comes about Dan Dec 2015 #137

Clinton WILL NOT lose in the general election if we nominate Sanders! Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #138

Maybe bobGandolf Dec 2015 #146