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92. I think it will be very hard to beat the Republicans this year no matter

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Dec 2015

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Clinton is going to lose in a general election [View all] Harmony Blue Dec 2015 OP

wishful thinking? wyldwolf Dec 2015 #1

It's definitely not wishful thinking. highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #117

The left says that in every election year wyldwolf Dec 2015 #118

So the Democrats think the left are dumb beasts... MattSh Dec 2015 #119

The ultra left kicks ITSELF over and over again by NOT VOTING and being the TEA LEFT. RBInMaine Dec 2015 #133

In short, yes. And lack of enthusiasm through similar tactics, has lost us many recent elections. highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #122

You realize that, in the real world outside the DU bubble, almost nobody knows what DLC was? brooklynite Dec 2015 #2

And Is That Not The True Travesty - The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Want To Keep It That Way cantbeserious Dec 2015 #6

A lot of people know about the DLC Harmony Blue Dec 2015 #17

That's true...but if they did, can you imagine? Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #41

You realize that too many of your arguments rely on "people are too stupid to know better"? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #61

And they'd love to keep it that way JackInGreen Dec 2015 #102

Yeah ok. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #3

I couldn't disagree more Dem2 Dec 2015 #4

Get your vision checked... Gloria Dec 2015 #5

Sour grapes over her win tonight. Dawson Leery Dec 2015 #7

I do not think she can win a general either. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #8

Agreed Harmony Blue Dec 2015 #15

I agree but I think her 'wishful thinking' is nothing more than window dressing. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #19

At the debate last night, she was proud of what she left in Libya. Many died there. DhhD Dec 2015 #139

Well at least we agree on one thing. Sanders isn't going to be the nominee Freddie Stubbs Dec 2015 #9

Which republican, in your view, can beat her? Beaverhausen Dec 2015 #10

All but Carson. Hepburn Dec 2015 #14

Really? Fiorina? Paul? Jeb! Beaverhausen Dec 2015 #20

No, add Paul and Fiorina... Hepburn Dec 2015 #25

I think Rubio could beat her if he can make traction in the primary. EndElectoral Dec 2015 #47

I'm bookmarking this for November 2016 alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #11

I am going to be crying not laughing Harmony Blue Dec 2015 #18

Uh huh alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #43

None of us are going to be laughing at Hillary's failed campaign jfern Dec 2015 #99

i think she did very well. i've never been her DesertFlower Dec 2015 #12

No Robbins Dec 2015 #38

Her negatives are very high. She can't win. Just look at numbers. onecaliberal Dec 2015 #56

I still think she is with the disaster capitalists. pangaia Dec 2015 #39

Nope. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #13

I agree. What I don't think her supporters are understanding SheilaT Dec 2015 #16

That hatred is rooted to the fact that she IS the ESTABLISHMENT Harmony Blue Dec 2015 #21

I think it's more fundamental than that. SheilaT Dec 2015 #50

It's misogyny straight up rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #128

To simplify the dislike of her, and to dismiss at SheilaT Dec 2015 #143

Yeah right rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #145

The hate is deep SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #22

The radical right didn't hate Obama? Beaverhausen Dec 2015 #23

IMO, to me that was unfortunately hatred based on race and hidden as anti-liberal. Hepburn Dec 2015 #31

Obama had all of the new voters. Hillary has gone out of her way to push them away Doctor_J Dec 2015 #35

What Hepburn and Dr J said. SheilaT Dec 2015 #57

But why is she consistently polling nearly double Sanders' numbers . . . brush Dec 2015 #26

he has gotten over 30% in some national polls Robbins Dec 2015 #34

I don't think she is and I do believe that the DNC stunt this week was done to hurt Sanders Hepburn Dec 2015 #46

One grocery store anecdote does not disprove all the polls though brush Dec 2015 #76

That was only one example... Hepburn Dec 2015 #82

It's also true that many polls show that SheilaT Dec 2015 #58

Not actually relevant though if he doesn't get to the general brush Dec 2015 #86

The other what's up is her negatives. SheilaT Dec 2015 #90

But you're acting as though all those repug clown car candidates don't have negatives brush Dec 2015 #93

Yes, the Republican candidates all have their own negatives, SheilaT Dec 2015 #116

We outnumber them, remember. brush Dec 2015 #124

Are you saying we should let the radical right choose our Democratic candidate? They hate Obama. Hekate Dec 2015 #29

Exactly. SunSeeker Dec 2015 #49

No. What a dumb suggestion. SheilaT Dec 2015 #69

LOL! There will NEVER be a Dem pol who will be universally loved in the party KittyWampus Dec 2015 #45

You right that there will never be a Dem pol who SheilaT Dec 2015 #73

Right will turn out in records to vote against her. Will left turn out in droves to vote for her? EndElectoral Dec 2015 #54

You summed it up exactly. Hepburn Dec 2015 #59

To whom? oberliner Dec 2015 #24

Hillary will eat Trump's lunch and leave him crying. She's genuinely tough and smart... Hekate Dec 2015 #27

She may win the primary but many Democrats will write in somebody else in the general. AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #28

If it happens, blame the people that didn't turn out NYCButterfinger Dec 2015 #30

No, we'll blame a crap candidate if she's the nominee. No more Third Way posers. AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #36

I'll blame everyone that voted for her in the primaries pengu Dec 2015 #113

If it happens - it's Hillary's fault. No one elses. 840high Dec 2015 #127

"Many" Democrats? How many? Hekate Dec 2015 #33

those aren't Democrats.They're sanctimonious, unrealistic idiots. KittyWampus Dec 2015 #53

A lot of registered Dems came out to elect Ronnie Raygun... Hepburn Dec 2015 #65

Temper tantrum alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #62

Most on the DU will, but we are not representative of the Dem party. Hepburn Dec 2015 #74

Clinton will massacre Trump in the general alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #77

I don't think she can beat him. Hepburn Dec 2015 #79

Oh Lawd alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #81

Well, you seem confident...but I do believe you are going to be very disappointed. Hepburn Dec 2015 #84

Buh bye alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #85

+1 SMH grossproffit Dec 2015 #120

Come on! And Trump doesn't have negatives? brush Dec 2015 #87

Getting blisters. okasha Dec 2015 #89

and the guy who had a Soviet flag in his office is going to win? KittyWampus Dec 2015 #32

You can lolz all you want Harmony Blue Dec 2015 #55

Oh my alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #60

someone used to have a self-immolation smilie KittyWampus Dec 2015 #63

It's funny that whats-'is-name ended up getting the shitcan over nothing alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #67

You go on with your bad self, then. MineralMan Dec 2015 #111

Only those in the DU world leftofcool Dec 2015 #144

I didn't see that at all. I found her brillliant, knowlegeable and easy to listen to lunamagica Dec 2015 #37

Her wanting to take out Assad while ISIS and Al Qaeda are running around jfern Dec 2015 #40

I thought she came off tonight more genuine than I've witnessed in the past, we cannot AuntPatsy Dec 2015 #42

I think the GOP will rip her to pieces Jarqui Dec 2015 #44

they've been trying for decades and always come out looking stupid. KittyWampus Dec 2015 #66

60% of Americans don't trust her Jarqui Dec 2015 #83

You can pretend that "likability" isn't a problem, but that doesn't make it so. Bonobo Dec 2015 #48

You wish! leftofcool Dec 2015 #51

Your concern is noted. JoePhilly Dec 2015 #52

Hillary Clinton is more radioactive than Jeb Bush Harmony Blue Dec 2015 #64

Nonsense. JoePhilly Dec 2015 #70

Should be easy enough for Senator Sanders to beat her, then alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #71

So you are saying Trump and the clowns come of as genuine and are never abrasive? Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #68

Trump has a message that some Americans are lapping up. 840high Dec 2015 #130

Anyone that laps Trump's message would never vote for a Democrat of any kind. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #132

Of course. But there are many, many people who like what 840high Dec 2015 #140

Democrats who like Trump. That puts the "only" in DINO. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #141

I think it's anyone's guess. KentuckyWoman Dec 2015 #72

She will win the primary and if the hate brings votes to another in the GE Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #75

Your probably right. The smart money is on Bernie Android3.14 Dec 2015 #78

She'll win .... Historic NY Dec 2015 #80

Well, this was entertaining. Beacool Dec 2015 #88

She does come off as abrasive... CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #91

Bernie Sanders apologized for the conduct of his staff, and she was gracious in how she accepted MADem Dec 2015 #94

I think it will be very hard to beat the Republicans this year no matter doc03 Dec 2015 #92

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I have seen polls quoted where Republicans win. All it would take is one doc03 Dec 2015 #100

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I have seen both. But it is extremly unlikely you get a person from the same party doc03 Dec 2015 #109

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Hillary is not Bill, most Democrats I know either will vote for the Republican doc03 Dec 2015 #105

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If Democrats get out and vote they win, the hard part is getting them to vote. doc03 Dec 2015 #110

that is hard to say. But, I am afraid it is quite possible. I certainly don't want Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #97

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Bullshit. Please, enough of this bullshit. RBInMaine Dec 2015 #98

Is that what you're hoping for? MineralMan Dec 2015 #103

Relax. Read a book. randome Dec 2015 #106

I disagree with you DesertRat Dec 2015 #107

We'll see n/t JustAnotherGen Dec 2015 #112

Yes, but remember, she now has riversedge Dec 2015 #114

Clinton will get NO republicans to cross over and vote for her regardsless of how insane THEIR Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #115

There are some Republicans that wil vote for Hillary Nonhlanhla Dec 2015 #125

I don't think that's true. I expect r's like Jeb! to vote for her HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #136

At one time I thought moderate Rs (especially women) would vote for HRC but, Hiraeth Dec 2015 #147

If you say so, but I doubt it greatly. beaglelover Dec 2015 #121

yet she has a massive lead in the polls DrDan Dec 2015 #123

No she won't. She won't be in the general election. nt thereismore Dec 2015 #126

She is, um, up 30% in national polling. Welcome to reality. RBInMaine Dec 2015 #129

Almost a year to go. 1 more 840high Dec 2015 #134

National polling doesn't matter at this point. Ask Obama. Hell, ask Hillary. nt thereismore Dec 2015 #135

Okay, she's ahead in every State except New Hampshire. brooklynite Dec 2015 #142

It's interesting to hear... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #131

And if by chance that comes about Dan Dec 2015 #137

Clinton WILL NOT lose in the general election if we nominate Sanders! Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #138

Maybe bobGandolf Dec 2015 #146