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zeemike

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48. They are just adopting the right wing argument for their own

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Mon Dec 21, 2015, 11:29 AM

Dec 2015

It is the one that the right has been using for decades now.

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Why did Hillary use a discredited Rupert Murdoch lie to smear Sanders? [View all] cali Dec 2015 OP

Because what else would she use to smear Sanders? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #1

the only people who get 'free' things are the 1%, her natural constituency. Everyone roguevalley Dec 2015 #121

ummm... because she's Hillary? InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2015 #126

So how much will it cost then? JaneyVee Dec 2015 #2

Good question Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #4

I'm all for expanding access to healthcare... JaneyVee Dec 2015 #5

Couldn't the same be said for every social program? bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #7

Not every progressive policy needs... JaneyVee Dec 2015 #8

Sorry, I thought we were being serious here. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #9

Are you denying... JaneyVee Dec 2015 #11

Yes I am. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #12

They are just adopting the right wing argument for their own zeemike Dec 2015 #48

Huge +1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #62

Oh I know. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #64

"They are just adopting the right wing argument for their own" BeanMusical Dec 2015 #125

Hmm. National Health Care bad due to layoffs.....Free Trade good due to layoffs??? hollowdweller Dec 2015 #52

Yooge plus one! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #63

Good one! Populist_Prole Dec 2015 #120

...+1 840high Dec 2015 #131

So, military spending angrychair Dec 2015 #69

Well, with the exception of Bernie, that is the plan. As amazing as it seems. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #93

There's major layoffs under the existing system. harun Dec 2015 #102

Layoffs if we all went on Medicare... PatrickforO Dec 2015 #133

Yup! And while we are at it, how about getting rid of the stupid "Cadillac tax" on insurance plans? AllyCat Dec 2015 #148

Are you speaking of the insurance industry? NV Whino Dec 2015 #14

Every progressive policy needs to revolutionize ALL industries Proserpina Dec 2015 #19

The insurance industry lives on human misery kenfrequed Dec 2015 #24

That's the right answer Roy Rolling Dec 2015 #53

Nice! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #68

Precisely. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #65

Thanks, I couldn't have said it better. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #66

Perfect Analogy! NT hueymahl Dec 2015 #135

The same 'collapse of industry' arguments are made by those wanting to ignore climate change Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #95

Holy Shit - you are serious hueymahl Dec 2015 #134

if u collapse the insurance industry and lay off millions of middle men... Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #137

The insurance industry needs to collapse AllyCat Dec 2015 #147

+1 a huge bunch! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #59

Exactly! PatrickforO Dec 2015 #127

If you really do want those things you are supporting the wrong candidate. She won't even commit to rhett o rick Dec 2015 #111

We have to raise the defense budget, can't be laying off any bomb makers, can we? A Simple Game Dec 2015 #149

Calculating the Cost of Bernie Sanders' Single-Payer Health Program zalinda Dec 2015 #10

Fantasy land. Indydem Dec 2015 #21

Watch this movie zalinda Dec 2015 #39

You wouldn't mind Uponthegears Dec 2015 #51

Just beautiful! Thanks for stepping in here are illuminating us with the facts. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #73

You can't have it both ways. Indydem Dec 2015 #90

My my Uponthegears Dec 2015 #108

So much ignorance.... Indydem Dec 2015 #109

Oh my Uponthegears Dec 2015 #118

Indywhat? dem? Nope, doesn't at all match the text. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #130

Its like listening to Fox News hueymahl Dec 2015 #136

Wow. A democrat arguing against National Health Care and Medicaid! hollowdweller Dec 2015 #55

This would have been shocking in the past. Incredible. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #74

Only on the DU would this be a surprise. Indydem Dec 2015 #92

Trying to understand Uponthegears Dec 2015 #151

Things change. Indydem Dec 2015 #153

Ya know Uponthegears Dec 2015 #154

why do you hate America? SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #142

Do you know how many doctors would starve to death if they refused to take medicare when everyone A Simple Game Dec 2015 #150

Excellent! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #70

Did you read the article linked to in the OP? And the Friedman article linked in that article? JDPriestly Dec 2015 #43

I really hope Hillary comes out for lower taxes on the rich Loudestlib Dec 2015 #46

I just didn't think she's veer to the right so soon! When will she want a SURGE in Syria? hollowdweller Dec 2015 #56

Answers are out there angrychair Dec 2015 #88

Nonsense.Paying 20% overhead now.3%with Medicare for all. bjobotts Dec 2015 #123

Another good question: mwooldri Dec 2015 #132

As we see with most programs, more then expected yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #30

Did you read the article linked to in the article in the OP? JDPriestly Dec 2015 #45

Actually, no. The ACA is costing less than projected. jeff47 Dec 2015 #94

Not for many individuals. yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #97

Yes, even for many individuals. jeff47 Dec 2015 #100

The HC costs would be much more without ACA bjobotts Dec 2015 #124

It will cost less than if we have to pay insurance premiums RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #32

And those damned deductibles! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #76

From what I read on DU, it's not a smear. It just requires context. Renew Deal Dec 2015 #3

Half truths are the most dangerous kinds of lies. nt Lucky Luciano Dec 2015 #17

Here is the link to the article by Friedman debunking Hillary's statements. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #49

It should be painfully clear to anyone that's even remotely paying attention that Hillary Broward Dec 2015 #6

anything reddread Dec 2015 #13

1% citizens at that. n/t RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #33

+1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #78

+1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #77

Um....9/11? n/t ejbr Dec 2015 #15

It's carelessness--careless with fact, with truth, with other people Proserpina Dec 2015 #16

Yay, Proserpina! Right on! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #79

So, why won't he give us some figures? leftofcool Dec 2015 #18

Because nobody will have EXACT figures until RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #35

He does. Here ya go... PotatoChip Dec 2015 #36

Lots of moving parts in their to move through Skidmore Dec 2015 #110

You are right - Let's not even try. NT hueymahl Dec 2015 #138

So, give up to Republicans? Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #141

Bernie's plan is not HR 676. His plan would have states administer single payer. nt SunSeeker Dec 2015 #145

Did you read the Friedman article? JDPriestly Dec 2015 #50

You just keep popping up chervilant Dec 2015 #54

Yooge plus one! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #80

+1 BeanMusical Dec 2015 #129

this has been debunked many times already. restorefreedom Dec 2015 #20

Precisely. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #81

Because of personal ambition? Gregorian Dec 2015 #22

We've got dueling economic analyses. You really want to call one of them a lie? Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #23

If you would have been spending the money before.... daleanime Dec 2015 #28

No, it is not the case here. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #29

So screw the people... daleanime Dec 2015 #37

LOL! God, I love this. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #40

A field of Strawmen.... daleanime Dec 2015 #44

I suggest you reread the OP. You didn't get it the first time. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #85

It is a savings! It is a massive savings! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #82

This has been discredited and the article provides hard evidence cali Dec 2015 #31

"Hard evidence"? Economic projections never rise to the level of hard evidence. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #34

We have the entire developed world's health care as examples. They all pay far less Enthusiast Dec 2015 #87

SHHH - Don't confuse him with facts hueymahl Dec 2015 #140

I think I've heard this sort of thing can be chalked up to "any port in a storm." Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #25

And she doesn't believe.... daleanime Dec 2015 #26

The Wall Street Journal??? mountain grammy Dec 2015 #27

Duh because they are old friends Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #38

That is fucking nauseating. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #96

Hillary doesn't poll well for trustworthiness Oilwellian Dec 2015 #41

Huge +1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #89

Why hasn't Sanders said how much his proposal would cost? After all, it's HIS proposal. George II Dec 2015 #42

Well, durn, chervilant Dec 2015 #57

This is a "Pro-Bernie" thread? Looks more like an anti-Clinton thread.... George II Dec 2015 #67

I know, I know... chervilant Dec 2015 #103

The fact remains, "Why did Hillary use a discredited Rupert Murdoch lie to smear Sanders?" George II Dec 2015 #107

Because.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2015 #47

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #58

Hillary and Rupert are best buds Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #60

Rupert liked Tony Blair too Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #116

Hey! Bernie wants to take away my "good insurance" for a "gub't program!" bread_and_roses Dec 2015 #61

Huge +1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #98

Thanks for this post dreamnightwind Dec 2015 #146

because she knows she can't win with baggage like integrity stupidicus Dec 2015 #71

Another example dpatbrown Dec 2015 #72

Heh kenfrequed Dec 2015 #75

I am furious with her for doing that. It's something I've gotten used to with her. stillwaiting Dec 2015 #83

It's all about that prize...nt MadDAsHell Dec 2015 #84

She's like a good bartender JackInGreen Dec 2015 #86

Kicked and recommended! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #91

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #99

Thank you, cali. senz Dec 2015 #101

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #104

Same reason a progressive would use a Conaway investigation.... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #105

Sen Sanders is progressive. H. Clinton pretends to be progressive for a few social justice issues rhett o rick Dec 2015 #112

Ok. Have a wonderful evening. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #113

That's what right wingers do. Use Fox talking points. ThePhilosopher04 Dec 2015 #106

Well, Ole' Rupe did hold a few fundraisers for her in 2008! Fuddnik Dec 2015 #119

This is how triangulation works. leftupnorth Dec 2015 #114

Because he's squeeky clean. They have never had to deal NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #115

Because she has nothing else? jwirr Dec 2015 #117

Here is another answer line to your OP Question. HClinton is using the other part of the lie DhhD Dec 2015 #122

It is a bit disconcerting that there people here who against pushing the Party to Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #128

She's a lying right-winger jfern Dec 2015 #139

She just can't wait for the moment she may verge back to the right. eom Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #143

Because she lies easily, and her supporters will likely say that it is okay to lie in order djean111 Dec 2015 #144

Maybe she lied for consistency's sake? If one is going to have a neocon foreign policy, Karmadillo Dec 2015 #152