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In reply to the discussion: Even if Bernie Sanders doesn't win the primary, he has given every indication that he will [View all]Jarqui
(10,123 posts)99. So I looked at this link
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice
1. Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).
I'm not. I support Bernie. I've never supported the GOP over the last six decades.
2. Vote for Democrats.
I've always supported Democrats. There were times I didn't mind Nader but not over a Democrat.
3. No bigoted hate speech.
I haven't done that. I'm firmly against such a thing.
4. Don't go overboard with the crazy talk.
I haven't done that. I back up all my stuff with a pretty good set of sane facts or evidence - often with links.
5. Don't willfully and habitually infringe on others' copyrights.
I could use a little improvement there. I always provide a link but I do not always remember the source - except at the top of a thread - when they ask for it. But in the posts above, that certainly got covered.
6. Don't threaten anyone (including yourself).,
7. Respect people's privacy.,
8. Don't post "shock content" or porn.
9. No spammers.
10. Don't do anything illegal.
11. Don't post malicious code or mess with the software.
I don't think there's anything there in that above list that I've done to violate those rules.
12. Don't do anything else which is similarly disruptive.
"obviously disruptive, malicious, or repugnant to this community"
I strongly and honestly suspect there is a fairly significant number of DUers who agree with my position on Hillary's honesty. 60% of Americans do including 25% of Democrats. Do you really want 25% of the site to leave because you think she's honest and trustworthy? Do you want a site where everybody has the same opinion about everything? That's a pretty dull place.
We're having a primary. I like Sanders more than Clinton handily. You appear to like Hillary more. Both are on the Democratic ticket. I think Bernie has a better chance in the general election and I'm not alone on that - in part, because 60% of Americans think she is dishonest/untrustworthy - particularly the voters she needs to get some of in the general - independents and republications.
After Xmas, I'm going to join the Iowa phone bank for Sanders. If I phone people up armed with repeating the love in material at DU.com for Hillary, how effective am I going to be for my Democratic candidate, Sanders. If I phone up and I'm acquainted with FOX News and what some of the right leaning news sites and candidates are saying, I've probably had some time to think about my rebuttal that I'll need in milliseconds during my phone calls. My sister and I did that for the Obama campaign and it worked out pretty well. We knew our stuff and had a number of canned responses to handle the objections of those on the fence. I'm also going at some of the media in Iowa - like I did for Obama - again, I'm going to need to be on my toes, fully acquainted with both sides against those guys. If you're going to campaign effectively, then chatting some of those issues up here isn't a bad dress rehearsal. If I want my candidate to win and I value my time, it's not a bad exercise because I expect to run into my fair share of Clinton supporters and I'd like to turn a few of them around. It's for a pretty good cause- a Democratic candidate.
Thirdly, this behavior by the DNC - who even David Axlerod maintains is "putting their finger on the scale for Hillary" is very troubling. Bill Press "smells a rat" The DNC are interfering in Sanders getting a fair shake. And your candidate is either behind that or complicit with it - there is no reasonable door #3 there. Am I breaking the rules lodging a grievance over a Democratic candidate for president not getting a fair shake from his own National Committee? You're in the minority if you do not think there is a blatant problem with bias there.
If it's disruptive to make a stink over that then give me the boot. I will never completely compromise or lay down on the unfairness of what the DNC is doing to the Democratic candidate I support. If that happens, then this site isn't worth my time. This site would be as bad as the right wing media you reject if it curtails freedom of speech on such a fundamental issue of fairness in a primary for the nomination of this party's candidate for president of the United States.
1. Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).
I'm not. I support Bernie. I've never supported the GOP over the last six decades.
2. Vote for Democrats.
I've always supported Democrats. There were times I didn't mind Nader but not over a Democrat.
3. No bigoted hate speech.
I haven't done that. I'm firmly against such a thing.
4. Don't go overboard with the crazy talk.
I haven't done that. I back up all my stuff with a pretty good set of sane facts or evidence - often with links.
5. Don't willfully and habitually infringe on others' copyrights.
I could use a little improvement there. I always provide a link but I do not always remember the source - except at the top of a thread - when they ask for it. But in the posts above, that certainly got covered.
6. Don't threaten anyone (including yourself).,
7. Respect people's privacy.,
8. Don't post "shock content" or porn.
9. No spammers.
10. Don't do anything illegal.
11. Don't post malicious code or mess with the software.
I don't think there's anything there in that above list that I've done to violate those rules.
12. Don't do anything else which is similarly disruptive.
"obviously disruptive, malicious, or repugnant to this community"
I strongly and honestly suspect there is a fairly significant number of DUers who agree with my position on Hillary's honesty. 60% of Americans do including 25% of Democrats. Do you really want 25% of the site to leave because you think she's honest and trustworthy? Do you want a site where everybody has the same opinion about everything? That's a pretty dull place.
We're having a primary. I like Sanders more than Clinton handily. You appear to like Hillary more. Both are on the Democratic ticket. I think Bernie has a better chance in the general election and I'm not alone on that - in part, because 60% of Americans think she is dishonest/untrustworthy - particularly the voters she needs to get some of in the general - independents and republications.
After Xmas, I'm going to join the Iowa phone bank for Sanders. If I phone people up armed with repeating the love in material at DU.com for Hillary, how effective am I going to be for my Democratic candidate, Sanders. If I phone up and I'm acquainted with FOX News and what some of the right leaning news sites and candidates are saying, I've probably had some time to think about my rebuttal that I'll need in milliseconds during my phone calls. My sister and I did that for the Obama campaign and it worked out pretty well. We knew our stuff and had a number of canned responses to handle the objections of those on the fence. I'm also going at some of the media in Iowa - like I did for Obama - again, I'm going to need to be on my toes, fully acquainted with both sides against those guys. If you're going to campaign effectively, then chatting some of those issues up here isn't a bad dress rehearsal. If I want my candidate to win and I value my time, it's not a bad exercise because I expect to run into my fair share of Clinton supporters and I'd like to turn a few of them around. It's for a pretty good cause- a Democratic candidate.
Thirdly, this behavior by the DNC - who even David Axlerod maintains is "putting their finger on the scale for Hillary" is very troubling. Bill Press "smells a rat" The DNC are interfering in Sanders getting a fair shake. And your candidate is either behind that or complicit with it - there is no reasonable door #3 there. Am I breaking the rules lodging a grievance over a Democratic candidate for president not getting a fair shake from his own National Committee? You're in the minority if you do not think there is a blatant problem with bias there.
If it's disruptive to make a stink over that then give me the boot. I will never completely compromise or lay down on the unfairness of what the DNC is doing to the Democratic candidate I support. If that happens, then this site isn't worth my time. This site would be as bad as the right wing media you reject if it curtails freedom of speech on such a fundamental issue of fairness in a primary for the nomination of this party's candidate for president of the United States.
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Even if Bernie Sanders doesn't win the primary, he has given every indication that he will [View all]
Fast Walker 52
Dec 2015
OP
All true, but another real telling point that for me makes her complicit is that instead
Dustlawyer
Dec 2015
#49
Yeah, you're most justified in "shooting the messengers" if they are william safire and jonah efn
Cha
Dec 2015
#98
Do you always use virulently right-wing sources to "prove" your points, or is this a one-off?
MADem
Dec 2015
#67
He took a golden parachute six years ago--all you've got are Republicans and retirees.
MADem
Dec 2015
#90
Nope. What we really have is the lame hope that we'd fall for someone shooting the messenger
Jarqui
Dec 2015
#93
The TOS only says Jarqui must not be a wingnut neo-con freak / right-winger; not his sources...
JonLeibowitz
Dec 2015
#104
I judge people by the company they keep. If a person keeps using right wing sources to
MADem
Dec 2015
#105
Ah, the NYT, the 'Grey Lady.' Ever since they hired Judy Miller, I don't think much of them, either!
MADem
Dec 2015
#108
Yeah they have fallen quite a bit in repute. I try to be a lot more careful to look at facts,
JonLeibowitz
Dec 2015
#111
"He voted against the resolution when he knew his vote would not make a difference"
Jarqui
Dec 2015
#123
Nothing, but nothing will keep me from voting for Hillary in the General Election!
onehandle
Dec 2015
#2
We have our own minds. My candidate doesn't cast my vote in the booth. I'll cast my vote for the
Ed Suspicious
Dec 2015
#3
My support for Bernie is about a lot of things, most especially his track record of fighting for the
Ed Suspicious
Dec 2015
#74
and if Bernie doesn't get the nomination and his supporters fail to heed his endorsement
onenote
Dec 2015
#77
The party has gone out of its way to insult liberals and Sanders supporters, and the hillarians
Doctor_J
Dec 2015
#11
To be honest as a Hillary Supporter I have not felt the olive branch and have been hit
Thinkingabout
Dec 2015
#43
One person, one vote. Our vote is ours to cast, not Bernie's. No one tells another person
in_cog_ni_to
Dec 2015
#12
I don't like her, she's fake, insincere, and a liar, but I will vote for her. She's
JRLeft
Dec 2015
#14
Let's not pretend Hillary winning is a good thing, she's bad for America, because
JRLeft
Dec 2015
#27
People often say things in the heat of the moment that they may not totally mean,
Blue_In_AK
Dec 2015
#32
Anyone who says they won't vote for the Democratic candidate in the general....
mac2766
Dec 2015
#38
The people who will or won't vote for the nominee on DU are irrelivent in the grand scheme.
RichVRichV
Dec 2015
#113
sure... but if you respect his ideas greatly, won't you respect his endorsement?
Fast Walker 52
Dec 2015
#71
If we're playing some sort of non-sequitur game, I'll point out that it's partly cloudy outside
onenote
Dec 2015
#88
It's not a non-sequitur. It demonstrates your claim about total numbers is not actually true.
jeff47
Dec 2015
#89
a number of Hillary supporters have said that they would never support Bernie
Douglas Carpenter
Dec 2015
#95
People should vote their conscience and not merely how others tell them to vote
aikoaiko
Dec 2015
#102
I think Hillary supporter comments, DWS and Hillary's own snark may have a lot to do with it. nt
Live and Learn
Dec 2015
#103
This is larger than Bernie. That's why even if he doesn't win his message will continue.
liberal_at_heart
Dec 2015
#112
Being a bernie supporter has nothing to do with the fact that I will NOT vote for hill
bowens43
Dec 2015
#126