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In reply to the discussion: One thing is for sure, Trump is afraid of Bernie, not so much of Hillary. [View all]Orrex
(66,708 posts)82. At this point you've resorted to making stuff up
If Trumps sees Sanders as "insignificant," he would work to raise his profile so as to damage Hillary; "the perceived greater threat."
Did you actually read that before you posted it? How in the world might that work, even in theory? You're arguing that unless Trump helps Sanders, then he must be afraid of Sanders. That's simply ridiculous. If you're facing two opponents, one of them so weak as to be unable to affect you, then you ignore that opponent and focus on the stronger.
Nothing about Schultz's actions could be perceived as acting in the party's best interests considering Bernie's popularity,
Nonsense. If she doesn't believe that Sanders would prevail in the general election, then it follows that she would work to reduce his chance of landing on the ballot. And, once again, she's an asshole.
record breaking crowds and record breaking number of contributions.
Yes, I've read the propaganda. That's an argument for why you think your preferred candidate would win the general election. It is not an argument supporting the claim that his opponents "fear" him.
Fear trumps reason, reason trumps faith and faith trumps fear, Schultz was operating from an illogical fear mode, just before the debate and especially after Bernie's two major endorsements.
You simply can't be that naive. You have decided that DWS is acting out of fear, so you ignore any suggestion to the contrary. That's intellectually dishonest and it doesn't serve your preferred candidate.
The corporate media's fear mode is directly tied to keeping the status quo in power, regime change and war, their conglomerate owners also have dog in this hunt.
No shit. Nor have I asserted otherwise. But that has nothing to do with the claim by Sanders' supporters that his opponents "fear" him.
Logic dictates that losing money whether by the overturning of Citizens United, Wall Street taxes or higher tax rates against the top earners must affect the decision making of the ownership, upper management and star pundits.
Logic also dictates that they have no reason to fear Sanders if they don't perceive him as a threat. Your entire assumption--that his opponents are afraid of him--assumes outright that he's a viable contender for the general election, and that's far from certain. Hell, it's not even especially likely.
By all of this "they're afraid of Sanders" nonsense is a preemptive defense against his eventual defeat. If he doesn't win the primary, then his supporters will immediately claim that he lost because of some dishonest trickery driven by fear of him. This is not some idle prediction I'm making; it's true already because his supporters are already claiming it.
If as you acknowledge the corporate media and 1% have the power to pull strings and black candidates out especially considering said candidate's record breaking crowds and record breaking number contributions, whether he/she is viable or not is irrelevant, their journalistic duty should be to enlighten the nation,
That's lovely. Let me know when we live in that world or have ever lived in that world. You can invoke the "record breaking crowds and record breaking number contributions" all you want, but they don't support the claim that Sanders' supporters fear him.
self-serving fear is the only logical explanation for their behavior.
That is simply false. It is certainly not the only logical explanation; it's not even the most likely explanation. Raw pragmatism--the need for short-term monetary gratification in terms of page-views and the general election horse race--is at least as likely an explanation, though you choose to ignore it because it doesn't favor your assumption.
Clinton is a media lightning rod in a way that Sanders is not. Jeb Bush is a media lightning rod in a way that Sanders is not. You may not like it, and you may once again wave the "record breaking numbers" flag, but it doesn't matter.
Speaking with adults in my workplace this week, the primaries came up as a matter of casual discussion. The average person in the group could name four Republicans in the race outside of Trump, while the consensus about the Democratic race was that "It's Hillary, right? Isn't another guy running?"
You have provided no argument to support your claim that Sanders' opponents are afraid of him. Instead, you ignore possibilities that don't favor your assumption. I weary of your bogus conflations of fear, your tortured misuse of logic, and your whole-cloth reimagining of reality. I'm done here.
I do not fear Sanders or his supporters, and I will happily vote for Sanders if he miraculously lands on the ballot. However, that seems no more likely now than it did five months ago, and you've done nothing to convince me.
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One thing is for sure, Trump is afraid of Bernie, not so much of Hillary. [View all]
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
OP
By Trump's response he has the same motivation, that's why he called her out on a bathroom break,
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#4
If Bernie starts winning the primaries, Trump will have little choice but he's not going to do
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#29
That's totally subjective and the on line polls along with the focus groups in the first debate
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#31
Lots of Republicans donated to Nader's campaigns in 2000 and 2004. Republican strategists are
BlueCaliDem
Dec 2015
#57
Nader ran outside the Democratic Party, his poll numbers never approached Bernie's and yet
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#60
Oh it's fucking hilarious, isn't it? You don't find it a little odd that EVERY online poll
Ed Suspicious
Dec 2015
#73
P.S. Did you notice that Trump isn't calling on Bernie to apologize for calling him
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#45
"On the other hand Bernie can call Trump a "Pathological Liar" and from Trump all
sufrommich
Dec 2015
#2
Trump only insures that by not mentioning Bernie's name it's the name that shall not be spoken
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#14
That's irrelevant, Trump never had to worry about running against President Obama n/t
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#21
Trump; wants Bernie to be a non-factor because he knows his major trust issues become moot
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#16
That's right. Trump is not afraid of Sanders. All indications are that HRC will be the nominee. And,
Lil Missy
Dec 2015
#105
The online polls, record breaking number of contributions and Trump's fear of attacking Bernie
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#55
Trump is attacking Hillary because he has no fear of her, but he's afraid to raise
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#68
That's not how it works. Candidates don't waste money going after those who aren't a threat.
grossproffit
Dec 2015
#80
Trump has unlimited free air, the corporate media keeps him front and center night and day,
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#81
Trump is afraid of Bernie's poll numbers rising, that's why he doesn't bring attention.
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#90
He does and he's already said he wants Hillary to win the primary because 'she will be easier
sabrina 1
Dec 2015
#102
Precisely, such a race would have all the integrity of professional wrestling, and the paying fans
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#18
Exactly and the corporate media are deathly afraid of having Citizens United overturned
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#34
That's precisely what Trump; is most afraid of and he knows Bernie's message can erode
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#40
The corporate media keeps fear front and center, it's the meme of the day, but it's all about
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#58
Why hasn't Trump demanded that Bernie apologize for calling him a pathological liar?
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#62
If Trumps sees Sanders as "insignificant," he would work to raise his profile
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#67
It all depends on the spin that the corporate media puts on those dynamics, Obama would be
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#112
Good grief! I can't believe some of the nonsensical wishful thinking I've read here!
Orrex
Dec 2015
#84
Actually it does make a sound but Trump is too afraid to venture into the woods. n/t
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#69
The corporate media have certainly done their best to make that a reality, but
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#71
Precisely, sadoldgirl as for the trust issue, they balance each other out and Trump can
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#79
We have asked the question "why do Republicans vote against their own best interests?" over and over
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#96
That's for sure Uncle Joe. They want Hillary, Trump has said so as 'she will be easier to beat'.
sabrina 1
Dec 2015
#101
Would you like a quote? Or some polls which clearly Trump is looking at? I think it's funny too
sabrina 1
Dec 2015
#110
Trump doesn't bother with Sanders because he thinks of him as a gnat to brush off his shoulder. n/t
Lil Missy
Dec 2015
#106
Trump helps Hillary in the Primary when he attacks her, he won't mention Bernie's name even
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#130