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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: One thing is for sure, Trump is afraid of Bernie, not so much of Hillary. [View all]Orrex
(66,708 posts)109. You do not argue from a position of reason.
You may find me insulting, but at least I am arguing from reason.
As for click bait, Bernie would be the first Jewish President, and an avowed democratic socialist, surely that's newsworthy.
Please. If the media focused on either of those facts, Sanders' supporters would immediately cry foul and demand that the media instead cover Sanders they way his supporters want him to be covered.
If they refer to him as "potentially the first Jewish president," then they will be inviting accusations of anti-Semitism for drawing attention to it. If they identify him as "an avowed democratic socialist," then they'll be accused of playing politics.
The record breaking number of contributions with an average of only 25-30 dollars a pop also have a larger upside ceiling than Hillary's donors in which many cases have maxed out.
As I've noted already, I'm aware of the propaganda. However you want to spin it, Sanders will not have a sufficient war chest to match the GOP money machine that will fund the campaign against the Democratic nominee.
Since day one, Sanders' supporters have tried to spin his very real weaknesses as if they're strengths that non-supporters simply haven't appreciated:
"Sanders will become stronger if Trump attacks him."
"Sanders' anonymity is an asset."
"Sanders' utter lack of foreign policy experience proves that he's the best for the job."
"Sanders' tiny and demographically pure constituency proves that he'll appeal to the whole population."
"The fact that the GOP is ignoring Sanders is proof that they're afraid of him."
I've seen all of those claims put forth by Sanders' supporters, apparently with no sense of irony. Try to read those claims as anything other than wishful thinking and desperation. If the identical claims were made about Clinton, you'd hold them up as proof that her campaign is doomed.
Jeb Bush isn't above 7% how long can a legacy last?
Seriously? It will last until his father and his brother weren't president. Are you entirely unfamiliar with American politics and media?
You have given me no logical reason as to why the corporate media; should be blacking out coverage of Bernie Sanders and his message other than you might believe that the corporate media should have the power to create self-fulfilling prophecies for the American People,
Well, that's a lie. I've provided several reasons, but you have provided no evidence that their choice to downplay Sanders is driven by fear. You want it to be driven by fear, so you see everything in those terms.
The reasons to ignore him are many:
1. They want a horse race campaign that Sanders will not provide: Sanders does not engage in the gamesmanship that the media wants in a candidate, so it will be harder for them to frame it as a head-to-head matchup
2. They don't want to support the likely loser: I believe that they believe that Sanders would be destroyed in the general election, not least because he has no experience dealing with the GOP attack machine.
3. He's not really a Democratic candidate: He's a carpet-bagger who joined the party less than a year ago for the express purpose of running for President. He lacks credibility for that reason alone, regardless of the validity of his ideas.
4. It is likely not in their interests to support him: I'm sure you'll agree that Sanders is perceived as less corporate-friendly than Clinton or any of the GOP candidates. The media has no interest in supporting a candidate whom they perceive as potentially damaging to their bottom line. Despite your wishful thinking, this is not fear; it's pragamatism.
5. On the national level, Sanders remains semi-anonymous, whereas Clinton has been a household name for decades. The media has no interest in doing Sanders' leg-work for him, and it is not their job to get his name out there.
That's five reasons, which I'm sure you'll dismiss because they don't support your assumption.
Further, you've still done nothing to support the claim that Sanders' opponents or the media are motivated by fear of him, even though this claim is still being made daily on DU. It is unmistakable wishful thinking intended specifically to rationalize his eventual failure.
second place in the Democratic Primary race
Yeah, second place in a field of two.
his crystal message has resonated with millions of people,
Pure propaganda. Maybe you could post a picture of a flag in a meadow while you're at it.
rather disconcerting considering your otherwise low opinion of them.
Nice try, but that's your own false assumption, and I'll take no blame for it. My "opinion" of Sanders' supporters is informed directly by their behavior here and elsewhere, their attacks on Clinton and her supporters, their declared scorched-earth intention not to vote if their candidate isn't on the ballot, and their insistence that Sanders has terrified everyone. I have nothing against his supporters personally, but in the aggregate their demands, their methods, and their expectations are not consistent with reality, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise simply to make them feel better about it.Edit history
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One thing is for sure, Trump is afraid of Bernie, not so much of Hillary. [View all]
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
OP
By Trump's response he has the same motivation, that's why he called her out on a bathroom break,
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#4
If Bernie starts winning the primaries, Trump will have little choice but he's not going to do
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#29
That's totally subjective and the on line polls along with the focus groups in the first debate
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#31
Lots of Republicans donated to Nader's campaigns in 2000 and 2004. Republican strategists are
BlueCaliDem
Dec 2015
#57
Nader ran outside the Democratic Party, his poll numbers never approached Bernie's and yet
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#60
Oh it's fucking hilarious, isn't it? You don't find it a little odd that EVERY online poll
Ed Suspicious
Dec 2015
#73
P.S. Did you notice that Trump isn't calling on Bernie to apologize for calling him
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#45
"On the other hand Bernie can call Trump a "Pathological Liar" and from Trump all
sufrommich
Dec 2015
#2
Trump only insures that by not mentioning Bernie's name it's the name that shall not be spoken
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#14
That's irrelevant, Trump never had to worry about running against President Obama n/t
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#21
Trump; wants Bernie to be a non-factor because he knows his major trust issues become moot
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#16
That's right. Trump is not afraid of Sanders. All indications are that HRC will be the nominee. And,
Lil Missy
Dec 2015
#105
The online polls, record breaking number of contributions and Trump's fear of attacking Bernie
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#55
Trump is attacking Hillary because he has no fear of her, but he's afraid to raise
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#68
That's not how it works. Candidates don't waste money going after those who aren't a threat.
grossproffit
Dec 2015
#80
Trump has unlimited free air, the corporate media keeps him front and center night and day,
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#81
Trump is afraid of Bernie's poll numbers rising, that's why he doesn't bring attention.
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#90
He does and he's already said he wants Hillary to win the primary because 'she will be easier
sabrina 1
Dec 2015
#102
Precisely, such a race would have all the integrity of professional wrestling, and the paying fans
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#18
Exactly and the corporate media are deathly afraid of having Citizens United overturned
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#34
That's precisely what Trump; is most afraid of and he knows Bernie's message can erode
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#40
The corporate media keeps fear front and center, it's the meme of the day, but it's all about
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#58
Why hasn't Trump demanded that Bernie apologize for calling him a pathological liar?
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#62
If Trumps sees Sanders as "insignificant," he would work to raise his profile
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#67
It all depends on the spin that the corporate media puts on those dynamics, Obama would be
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#112
Good grief! I can't believe some of the nonsensical wishful thinking I've read here!
Orrex
Dec 2015
#84
Actually it does make a sound but Trump is too afraid to venture into the woods. n/t
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#69
The corporate media have certainly done their best to make that a reality, but
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#71
Precisely, sadoldgirl as for the trust issue, they balance each other out and Trump can
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#79
We have asked the question "why do Republicans vote against their own best interests?" over and over
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#96
That's for sure Uncle Joe. They want Hillary, Trump has said so as 'she will be easier to beat'.
sabrina 1
Dec 2015
#101
Would you like a quote? Or some polls which clearly Trump is looking at? I think it's funny too
sabrina 1
Dec 2015
#110
Trump doesn't bother with Sanders because he thinks of him as a gnat to brush off his shoulder. n/t
Lil Missy
Dec 2015
#106
Trump helps Hillary in the Primary when he attacks her, he won't mention Bernie's name even
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#130