2016 Postmortem

BlueCheese

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63. Now you're accusing Clinton of treason???

Reply to AgingAmerican (Reply #60)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 01:34 PM

Dec 2015

Seriously?

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Very disappointing: Bernie Sanders repeats falsehoods about data breach. [View all] BlueCheese Dec 2015 OP

"They said, "Hey, we got information from the Clinton campaign, we don't want this," sufrommich Dec 2015 #1

Of course not and the lies from Team Bernie continue. leftofcool Dec 2015 #2

You seem to have forgotten that Sanders brought the case to court, and DWSchultz immediatey Cal33 Dec 2015 #42

+1 Bubzer Dec 2015 #57

That's pretty much THE point. bvf Dec 2015 #85

Stole Clinton's records... No! "affected data was not exportable, savable, or actionable" tecelote Dec 2015 #89

You can still do a screen grab. nt MADem Dec 2015 #119

"NGP VAN stated that the affected data was not exportable, savable, or actionable" Bubzer Dec 2015 #139

But she's inevitable and Bernie is ruining it for America! ChairmanAgnostic Dec 2015 #152

Right... I forgot... as a Bernie supporter, I must provide a Hill of proof to a scrap of rumor... Bubzer Dec 2015 #154

You can STILL do a screen grab. Also, check the date on that SNOPES story-- MADem Dec 2015 #155

So you have evidence that a screen capture was done? NGP VAN says no data was tranfered. Bubzer Dec 2015 #181

They were able to download material until they were cut off by their engineers. MADem Dec 2015 #183

They never claimed to sound the alarm about this breach. Bubzer Dec 2015 #185

No mystery--it was NGP VAN engineers. MADem Dec 2015 #232

Still nothing about your screen grab. Bubzer Dec 2015 #268

You have been proven wrong AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #241

No, I have not. Team Bernie has been proven wrong. MADem Dec 2015 #247

You mean a straw grab? AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #239

Feel free to ignore the material I've provided. MADem Dec 2015 #252

Thanks tecelote! Duval Dec 2015 #120

Once you see the top line strategy, unless you remove someone's brain you have stolen data Sancho Dec 2015 #150

Wow! Stolen? Call the Police! tecelote Dec 2015 #151

Actually, the vendor called the DNC who called the Sanders campaign Sancho Dec 2015 #175

And the Sanders campaign is still shopping the falsehood that this system was MADem Dec 2015 #178

Exactly. nt stevenleser Dec 2015 #167

If I see the information on screen that I need to hurt you, I don't need to export it. nt stevenleser Dec 2015 #166

What did they see that would hurt Hillary? Have they used anything you know of? tecelote Dec 2015 #168

All explained in this excellent article by someone who has actually used the database stevenleser Dec 2015 #169

Possible intent. Not definite. tecelote Dec 2015 #171

You can try and go with that if you want to. It doesn't come close to passing the sniff test. nt stevenleser Dec 2015 #172

Good non-answer. tecelote Dec 2015 #174

That's not a non-answer. Sanders APOLOGIZED, and he did it because his people did wrong. MADem Dec 2015 #184

"He's a better man than some of his supporters"... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #190

Please. The only people "making" this into something other than what it was aren't MADem Dec 2015 #214

Please, yourself. ljm2002 Dec 2015 #219

Yeah, she lost so badly the Sanders campaign stuffed three of their own under the bus. nt MADem Dec 2015 #220

They did what was necessary and right... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #222

I suspect they're not the end of the line, either. MADem Dec 2015 #224

Good article Gothmog Dec 2015 #226

Immediately acquiesced treestar Dec 2015 #106

It looks like she wanted to avoid having to show up in court and having the whole case aired in the Cal33 Dec 2015 #265

You're forgetting about the discussions between the three groups (HRC, Sanders, DNC) and the.... George II Dec 2015 #188

and he fired at least one member of his staff over this dlwickham Dec 2015 #202

The DNC, under Chair DW Schultz's rule, has become an embarassment, and there is a growing Cal33 Dec 2015 #267

To be fair, I think that refers to whatever incident happened in October. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #3

Even if that's what he meant,the vendor claims sufrommich Dec 2015 #8

The October event was a completely different vendor Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #19

Stop confusing the issue with facts! Can't you see there's a narative that must be established here? Bubzer Dec 2015 #58

It is the facts that must be established. Nitram Dec 2015 #109

And the washington Post is always fair and balanced? Duval Dec 2015 #128

Nothing is always fair and balanced. But the Post is an excellent source of good news and facts. Nitram Dec 2015 #142

Many of the facts have been established...and they do support Bernie and the ongoing lawsuit. Bubzer Dec 2015 #144

Sounds mighty fishy to me, Bub. Nitram Dec 2015 #148

You dont want to trust an IT person because he works for Bernie, fine... there are plenty others... Bubzer Dec 2015 #153

You have to admit, the staffers themselves aren't likely to be the best sources of infiormation. Nitram Dec 2015 #156

I dont know what "stanadard practice" is, but when a Computer Science Professor from Purdue... Bubzer Dec 2015 #159

Sorry, Bub, it's hard to take someone seriously when they have a huge pile of steaming shit on their Nitram Dec 2015 #162

It's okay. I don't care if your a third way fan or not. Or that you ignore CompSci professors... Bubzer Dec 2015 #165

Jeez, bub, you really don't know if I'm a 3rd way fan. Nitram Dec 2015 #170

You're right, I don't know you from Adam. As I said, I dont care if you're a 3rd way fan or not. Bubzer Dec 2015 #180

I thought it was the same vendor. Are you sure, Blue_Adept? Duval Dec 2015 #123

Yes, NGP VAN has even said so themselves on their blog Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #157

The president of the vendor company worked in the Clinton whitehouse AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #64

Unjustified accusations based on innuendo. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #75

It's on his wiki page: AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #125

I'm not questioning that he was on the Clinton Gore campaign 23 years ago. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #131

Yes it does AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #135

If people who worked on her husband's campaign 23 years ago... BlueCheese Dec 2015 #137

Right, so the vendor actually tried to give away Clinton's data to the Sander's campaign. Nitram Dec 2015 #111

No data was taken AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #132

All the data was clearly marked if it was proprietary to a single campaign. Nitram Dec 2015 #143

No data was taken AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #146

Right. So a query against the database turned up.... Beartracks Dec 2015 #149

The Sanders campaign says they reported it to the DNC... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #192

It is the same vendor. And I think it Duval Dec 2015 #116

Pretty sure it was the same vendor in the October incident... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #191

Read the statement on the website of NPG Van, the vendor that made the mistake. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #86

Ah!! I was getting ready to post this! Thanks for Duval Dec 2015 #133

Yes. It did. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #87

What does any of that have to do with Sanders claim sufrommich Dec 2015 #91

The statement I saw in a video was that they took information about the previous breach in JDPriestly Dec 2015 #93

It did happen in October. You'll see when the investigation is finished. Duval Dec 2015 #112

Yeah, sure, they don't want it but they spent almost two hours downloading and saving searches. George II Dec 2015 #187

I thought the time period was 40 minutes... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #195

The logs begin at 10:40 and end at 12:24. That's an hour and 44 minutes. George II Dec 2015 #198

Okay, the Time report was wrong... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #217

No problem, I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong. The time report came out early and... George II Dec 2015 #223

Here is a source of some of the log posted on "crooks and liars", not the entire log......... George II Dec 2015 #225

Has the independent audit been done? Perogie Dec 2015 #227

Thus, This Thread By Blue Cheese Is Disconcerting/Problematic related to Its Inherent "Inaccuracy" CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #233

Then why fire one guy and suspend 2 others? Why'd he apologize to Hillary? Rose Siding Dec 2015 #4

Being generous, he might think he's firing/suspending them... BlueCheese Dec 2015 #9

Could have asked for a resignation? Rose Siding Dec 2015 #11

That might have worked better. You're right. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #13

I know Rose Siding Dec 2015 #17

Firing is an act of taking responsibility for the actions of the campaign. Bubzer Dec 2015 #66

Because he is a class guy who does not support taking data from another candidate daybranch Dec 2015 #71

One reason I think this is important... BlueCheese Dec 2015 #5

You know he knows better than that. MoonRiver Dec 2015 #31

His "rogue" staffers and managers are out of control, but he doesn't seem to be able to bring them BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #81

+1 SunSeeker Dec 2015 #96

+1. nt MADem Dec 2015 #122

You're spreading falsehoods. carla Dec 2015 #136

No. It's an accusation, and based on the evidence so far, it's becoming fact. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #193

+1, its like someone left their front door open & Sanders staff walked into the apartment knowing... uponit7771 Dec 2015 #235

In my best Forrest Gump voice(which isn't that good) NCTraveler Dec 2015 #6

Let's have a full independent investigation from day one Bjorn Against Dec 2015 #7

That is what I want. I am not afraid of being disappointed in Bernie artislife Dec 2015 #15

That's the only rational thing to do. haikugal Dec 2015 #28

+1. Until that info comes along, I'll believe Sanders over anyone aligned with HRC or DWS. n/t winter is coming Dec 2015 #16

In a heartbeat! Bubzer Dec 2015 #72

Indeed, I'll believe the unproven alleged liar over the proven liar every time n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #92

Me Too Also Cheviteau Dec 2015 #67

Yes. tecelote Dec 2015 #88

It might be true... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #10

I don't know enough about NGP VAN to know if this is how it happened. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #20

Yes, ultimately it did go beyond being passive... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #27

There is also the problem of why DWS went to the media with a "story" rather than haikugal Dec 2015 #30

We really do not need to wonder why DWS did what she did, now do we. pangaia Dec 2015 #38

I was being political..... haikugal Dec 2015 #41

Datagate is the damndest thing I've seen. Sanders needs to quit trying to spin Hoyt Dec 2015 #12

+1 bigtree Dec 2015 #21

The damndest thing about it... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #25

I think most white wingers look at it as proof Democrats can't handle important things like cyber Hoyt Dec 2015 #29

Oddly enough... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #35

I think you are ignoring this wouldn't have happened without Sanders' campaign taking data. Hoyt Dec 2015 #39

This would not have happened... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #45

Firing when he got caught. Is this the kind of staffer we can expect from Sanders' campaign Hoyt Dec 2015 #61

Your first comment in this post was well-considered and helpful. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #62

They reported it was one person when they thought it was one person Kentonio Dec 2015 #98

First of all... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #197

An even handed, fair person would have handled it in house to protect the whole organization. haikugal Dec 2015 #33

I've tried to avoid bringing in the other half of this story, which is how the DNC has acted. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #47

Interesting but it's all part of the story...and at this time that's all it is. haikugal Dec 2015 #56

Not the whole story angrychair Dec 2015 #82

^^^THIS^^^ haikugal Dec 2015 #130

"even as they use it as an attack on the DNC,"... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #199

No, what I meant is that... BlueCheese Dec 2015 #249

And I will concede... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #253

They did not break in to get it. The security failure had one of them Jarqui Dec 2015 #14

You and I have disagreed on this before. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #22

If I wanted to steal that data quickly Jarqui Dec 2015 #37

I doubt very much we'll ever agree on these. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #52

With the other staffers, if you're collecting evidence, you'd want witnesses Jarqui Dec 2015 #94

He did not need more than 40 mins to understand he was viewing data that he shouldn't have uponit7771 Dec 2015 #237

First user in accessed Clinton's fields starting at 10:40am for about 15 mins Jarqui Dec 2015 #248

Facts don't work when discussing with zealots Roland99 Dec 2015 #50

That comment goes both ways, you know ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #115

Incorrect information passed off as facts, you mean? nt MADem Dec 2015 #177

Nope...not in the least. But thanks for playing Roland99 Dec 2015 #269

The Sanders DD KNEW they were receiving information that they shouldn't be seeing and didn't alert.. uponit7771 Dec 2015 #236

They couldn't prove the breadth of it with one query Jarqui Dec 2015 #242

They didn't need to either, the breadth of the issues could've been determined by the vendor and uponit7771 Dec 2015 #244

The breach began at 10:40 and ended at 11:27 - 47 mins not 2 hrs Jarqui Dec 2015 #250

"on it" doesn't address my claim of searches... they didn't have to pound the DB with endless uponit7771 Dec 2015 #251

Again, as the post I linked detailed: Jarqui Dec 2015 #254

Let's have this genuinely independent and full auditing and investigation begin ASAP! Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #18

No your wrong on record they both have asked for independent investigation FloridaBlues Dec 2015 #34

then why are most of her supporters here so against it? Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #49

proof please. I would love some retrowire Dec 2015 #51

NOT very presidential ... at ALL! NurseJackie Dec 2015 #23

because a presidential attitude is retrowire Dec 2015 #48

... is one who's confident enough to play the cards they're dealt ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #73

Judging by what happened... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #201

They leveraged him into cooperating ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #206

No, they pulled a stunt... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #207

The stunt was stealing data from Hillary. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #210

Ah, more of the "bluster" nonsense... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #212

You call it nonsense but you know it's true. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #218

Bernie knows some campaign staffers "did wrong", as you put it... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #221

they leveraged him and he caved. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #228

OMG that's the funniest thing I've read today... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #230

Very presidential... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #200

He's pretending to be a victim. Poor Bernie! NurseJackie Dec 2015 #208

He's not losing ground in the early primary states... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #209

Stand by. His continued antics will change that soon. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #216

Very disappointing: DU HRC fans keep spreading falsehoods. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #24

I would not call myself an HRC fan, unless I am also a Bernie Sanders fan. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #26

Good luck with that request! MoonRiver Dec 2015 #36

Every word of what you said is just your imagination. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #179

Yea like his lawyer said the files dropped on our desk!! FloridaBlues Dec 2015 #32

No magic needed. haikugal Dec 2015 #40

Debbie Wasserman Schultz squeezed the toothpaste outta the tube AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #43

Obviously we will continue to disagree on this. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #44

I just noticed you casually accused Clinton of election fraud. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #53

I have already written an OP about it. AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #60

Now you're accusing Clinton of treason??? BlueCheese Dec 2015 #63

I am saying IF there is a conspiracy between DWS and Hillary to rig the primaries for Clinton AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #76

But you did say that you think they're working together... BlueCheese Dec 2015 #78

It appears so, but there is no solid proof yet AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #113

And the results are in: Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #84

Of all the posts here,,,,,, SmittynMo Dec 2015 #90

haha this is so amusing retrowire Dec 2015 #46

Given the the chairperson of the DNC is firmly in the Hillary's corner, how do we know............. raindaddy Dec 2015 #59

This is what Jeff Weaver and Tad Devine are advising him to say. emulatorloo Dec 2015 #54

In that case I think they are giving him bad advice. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #55

It is strategically designed to get the public on their side in terms of the lawsuit emulatorloo Dec 2015 #69

Al Gore and John Kerry. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #70

Yes, Kerry would have made a great President. emulatorloo Dec 2015 #74

Apparently no better qualified than the IT guy. Hoyt Dec 2015 #65

I'm still waiting Nyan Dec 2015 #68

It's not outrage, and it's not false. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #77

Clinton calls for an investigation XenaAmazon Dec 2015 #118

Has DNC yet? Nyan Dec 2015 #126

In other words... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #204

If any data was being stolen I imagine nyabingi Dec 2015 #79

Nobody doubts that the Sanders campaign accessed Clinton's data. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #80

If there was nothing nefarious nyabingi Dec 2015 #95

The OP is simply wrong. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #83

I love law suits! ish of the hammer Dec 2015 #97

K & R SunSeeker Dec 2015 #99

I suppose Hillary could use her own private server.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #100

Results of your jury service DeadLetterOffice Dec 2015 #101

Hahahaha. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #121

Bernard Sanders acting like a politician with that circular answer? Politicub Dec 2015 #102

? PatrynXX Dec 2015 #103

No, I'm not living in la-la-land. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #124

Maybe he should stop this insistence that it wasn't theft. it makes him look bad. Laser102 Dec 2015 #104

Oh FFS. Sanders is no idiot, nor is the campaign's legal team. Try reading the lawsuit. And UNrec. magical thyme Dec 2015 #105

You are completely wrong on this. Madmiddle Dec 2015 #107

You appear to be allergic to the facts Tarc Dec 2015 #108

This is so far from what the facts would justify I don't know what to say. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #127

The October issue was another company, someone "deliberately" leaves door open to their apartment uponit7771 Dec 2015 #238

What exactly are they still using over, now that access has been restored? Tarc Dec 2015 #110

Breach of contract. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #145

They were harmed by losing access for two days... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #205

lol, damages. get real Tarc Dec 2015 #262

True, being in a political party isn't a right... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #266

What I'm not seeing here is Madmiddle Dec 2015 #114

That's completely anecdotal. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #129

I think Weaver and Briggs and Devine don't want to get fired. MADem Dec 2015 #117

I'm more speechless about the reaction of certain (not all) Sanders supporters. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #134

Some do have the decency to be angered by the behavior of staffers. MADem Dec 2015 #158

Love Hillary, and totally think Bernie is wrong for our next president. Amimnoch Dec 2015 #138

I agree it's a big oops. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #140

Regardless of which candidate you support, it was a huge blunder by DWS to make this whole randys1 Dec 2015 #141

I don't know what the DNC's motive was. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #160

Chuck Todd who everyone on DU has critcized INdemo Dec 2015 #147

I thought Chuck Todd was rude for using the word "magically". BlueCheese Dec 2015 #161

What Sanders said was literally true Samantha Dec 2015 #163

Thanks for your courteous response. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #164

You are welcome -- I first heard about this when Howard Dean was interviewed Samantha Dec 2015 #173

I was aware of the statement that they believed that there was an "unintentional transmission"... BlueCheese Dec 2015 #229

They did not need to gather this evidence for more than 40 minutes among 4 different people... uponit7771 Dec 2015 #240

Disappointed hillary's supporters continue to Voice for Peace Dec 2015 #176

Bullshit. Vattel Dec 2015 #182

That's why they set up at least two new accounts, created folders, downloaded the results of.... George II Dec 2015 #186

WOW, that is very damning. No BSing their way out R B Garr Dec 2015 #213

Thank you for this information, do you have a link to it? This to me puts this whole issue to rest.. uponit7771 Dec 2015 #243

The link to the objective story AND the logs can be found here.... George II Dec 2015 #245

THX!! ... wow... all SBS Datagate threads are dead... Sanders is getting bad advice on this issues uponit7771 Dec 2015 #246

One other thing - they didn't merely take access away from "their" data, they took access away.... George II Dec 2015 #189

Exactly. It was not a contract 'termination', it was a 'temporary suspension'. randome Dec 2015 #194

You are doing exactly what you accuse Sanders of doing. mhatrw Dec 2015 #196

Very Dissappointing: Clinton supporter repeats falsehood in regards to data breach notadmblnd Dec 2015 #203

Sanders wants an audit for good reason. NGP VAN has just spoken..... ViseGrip Dec 2015 #211

I do not believe it and I think it is gross an independent who bashes Dems walks in to use resources seabeyond Dec 2015 #215

America was under the impression Bernie wanted to lay the matter to rest. oasis Dec 2015 #231

Reading DU it's not hard to understand why this issue won't die, no matter how destructive Number23 Dec 2015 #234

Wrong on all counts... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #255

If you want to believe your own spin, you do that. Number23 Dec 2015 #256

You start your screed with... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #258

People don't get fired for doing nothing wrong. Let alone MULTIPLE people Number23 Dec 2015 #259

I did not claim the staffers did nothing wrong... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #260

Sanders' already bad numbers have taken a hit. The press on this as I've shown you both Number23 Dec 2015 #261

Correct on ALL counts! Yup. Nt. seabeyond Dec 2015 #263

kick Dawson Leery Dec 2015 #257

He doesn't have the desire or ability to understand this sht. baldguy Dec 2015 #264