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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: One thing is for sure, Trump is afraid of Bernie, not so much of Hillary. [View all]Uncle Joe
(64,292 posts)112. It all depends on the spin that the corporate media puts on those dynamics, Obama would be
the first African American President, there is nothing wrong stating that fact, Rubio would be the first Latino President, there is nothing wrong with stating that, Bernie would be the first Jewish President, there is nothing wrong with stating that.
Bernie would be the first democratic socialist President, there is nothing wrong with stating that so long as African Americans, Latinos, Jews, or socialists aren't demonized in the process. It's the substance of the commentary that matters.
You're making some illogical assumptions here.
Since day one, Sanders' supporters have tried to spin his very real weaknesses as if they're strengths that non-supporters simply haven't appreciated:
"Sanders will become stronger if Trump attacks him."
"Sanders' anonymity is an asset."
"Sanders' utter lack of foreign policy experience proves that he's the best for the job."
"Sanders' tiny and demographically pure constituency proves that he'll appeal to the whole population."
"The fact that the GOP is ignoring Sanders is proof that they're afraid of him."
I don't know of any Bernie's supporters that believe anonymity is an asset when running for President, you're the first person to state that.
The same holds true for your foreign policy assumption, you're the first person to claim that one, that I'm aware of. I do believe Bernie's foreign policy proposals are superior to Hillary's because her's have been a disaster and not too different from the Republicans love of regime change, chaos and empire.
Your claim about assumptions regarding Bernie's demographics as being an asset in and of themselves are also false, I don't know where you came up with that?
What proves that Bernie will appeal to the whole population is the fact that his message is universal appealing across racial, cultural and demographic lines, with perhaps the exception of Wall Street. Bernie's biggest challenge in obtaining the political rewards for his message and proposed policies are his relative anonymity, however as time goes by that negative dynamic will diminish and this takes us directly to the corporate media's reticence to cover him and his message in depth, they know this to be the case, that's what they're afraid of.
And that leads us to why Bernie would be strengthened if Trump attacks him, anonymity is Bernie's biggest obstacle, Trump is a bully and like all bullies; a coward at heart. He can say anything he wants about the weak and disenfranchised or his little Republican Opponents because they're too reliant on the monster that decades of hate and fear Republican Propaganda have fed, he can attack Hillary with impunity because Trumps knows she can't attack him on truth or trust because of her own significant vulnerabilities there.
In regards to Jeb Bush, legacy is no excuse for the corporate media's behavior no matter how much you may wish it to be.
Of these excuses that you make, only #4 and #5 have some degree of truth.
1. They want a horse race campaign that Sanders will not provide: Sanders does not engage in the gamesmanship that the media wants in a candidate, so it will be harder for them to frame it as a head-to-head matchup
2. They don't want to support the likely loser: I believe that they believe that Sanders would be destroyed in the general election, not least because he has no experience dealing with the GOP attack machine.
3. He's not really a Democratic candidate: He's a carpet-bagger who joined the party less than a year ago for the express purpose of running for President. He lacks credibility for that reason alone, regardless of the validity of his ideas.
4. It is likely not in their interests to support him: I'm sure you'll agree that Sanders is perceived as less corporate-friendly than Clinton or any of the GOP candidates. The media has no interest in supporting a candidate whom they perceive as potentially damaging to their bottom line. Despite your wishful thinking, this is not fear; it's pragamatism.
5. On the national level, Sanders remains semi-anonymous, whereas Clinton has been a household name for decades. The media has no interest in doing Sanders' leg-work for him, and it is not their job to get his name out there.
You mention horse race and Bernie can't win against the Republicans yet he leads the coward Trump in a head to head matchup by almost twice as much as Hillary.
If the presidential election were held today, Republican candidate Donald Trump would lose to either of the two leading Democratic candidates, a new Quinnipiac poll found.
Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vermont, would actually be more successful than Democratic front runner Hillary Clinton, leading Trump 51 percent to 38 percent. Clinton's lead is smaller: She would beat Trump 47 percent to 40 percent.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-donald-trump-trails-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-in-matchup/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251936595
Whether Bernie was a long time Democrat or not, he is the ID of Democratic Ideals whether it be domestic or foreign policy.
Clinton and fellow presidential candidate Bernie Sanders agreed on disparaging Trumps ISIS strategy, but clashed on foreign policy issues, with Sanders tying Clintons push to oust Libyas dictator, Moammar Gadhafi, to her plans for fighting ISIS. "I worry too much that Secretary Clinton is too much into regime change and a little bit too aggressive without knowing what the unintended consequences might be," Sanders said. "We have got to get our foreign policy and our priorities right. It is not Assad who is attacking the United States -- it is ISIS."
(snip)
The idea of bombing an area to attack ISIS, according to Sennott, does not take into account the inevitable civilian casualties. Take city hall in Raqqa, Sennott said. Raqqa is this little hovel where ISIS/Daesh has built its headquarters. The city hall has become where a lot of the leadership is stationed. And right beneath their offices in city hall are the cells that are holding all of these NGO workers, and Iraqis and Syrians and civilians who theyve picked up, women, young men, anyone who they dont like is sitting there rotting in these cells, and youre going to kill a lot of civilians in that one little airstrike.
But if that sentiment of obliterating ISIS via bombs resonates with everyday U.S. citizens, afraid for their lives, Sennott said he can understand Trumps appeal to that demographic. is the physical Id of the Republican party, Sennott said. And as much as I think Donald Trump speaks to the Id of the Republican Party, yeah, Im greedy, yeah, I dont really like minorities, yeah I do want to build a wall, what about it? ...I think Bernie Sanders is the Id of the democratic party, which is, yeah, why shouldnt we take care of poor people, and yeah, income inequality is a big issue, and yeah, war and wealth are connected.
During the debate, Sennott said Sanders asked a really important question: Where are our alleged allies in this fight? When he went after Saudi Arabia and Qatar, he said, yeah, we need troops on the ground, but where are the Saudis, where are the Qataris? That is a great question, Sennott said. When talks about the billions and billions of dollars the Qataris are spending on exploiting workers for the World Cup, he turned the corner back to why do you do that, and you wont invest in someone whos put an enemy on your doorstep?
http://wgbhnews.org/post/bernie-sanders-take-we-need-allies-fight-isis
Your number #4 statement about the corporate media's concern about their bottom line vs the well being of the nation is precisely what I'm talking about when I state they're afraid of Bernie's policies. The conglomerations, mega-wealthy and Wall Street will pay a price and they know it.
In case you forgot, the Democratic Candidates are a field of three not two and Bernie was in second place when they were a field of five.
Regarding your last paragraph I wasn't referring to your opinions of Bernie's supporters I was referring to your seemingly low opinion of the corporate media, or at least I was trying to, it was late when I made that post and the paragraph could've been more clear on my part.
You have given me no logical reason as to why the corporate media; should be blacking out coverage of Bernie Sanders and his message other than you might believe that the corporate media should have the power to create self-fulfilling prophecies for the American People, ie: Bernie can't win so the corporate media shouldn't cover him despite the fact that he's in second place in the Democratic Primary race and his crystal message has resonated with millions of people, rather disconcerting considering your otherwise low opinion of them.
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One thing is for sure, Trump is afraid of Bernie, not so much of Hillary. [View all]
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
OP
By Trump's response he has the same motivation, that's why he called her out on a bathroom break,
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#4
If Bernie starts winning the primaries, Trump will have little choice but he's not going to do
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#29
That's totally subjective and the on line polls along with the focus groups in the first debate
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#31
Lots of Republicans donated to Nader's campaigns in 2000 and 2004. Republican strategists are
BlueCaliDem
Dec 2015
#57
Nader ran outside the Democratic Party, his poll numbers never approached Bernie's and yet
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#60
Oh it's fucking hilarious, isn't it? You don't find it a little odd that EVERY online poll
Ed Suspicious
Dec 2015
#73
P.S. Did you notice that Trump isn't calling on Bernie to apologize for calling him
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#45
"On the other hand Bernie can call Trump a "Pathological Liar" and from Trump all
sufrommich
Dec 2015
#2
Trump only insures that by not mentioning Bernie's name it's the name that shall not be spoken
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#14
That's irrelevant, Trump never had to worry about running against President Obama n/t
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#21
Trump; wants Bernie to be a non-factor because he knows his major trust issues become moot
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#16
That's right. Trump is not afraid of Sanders. All indications are that HRC will be the nominee. And,
Lil Missy
Dec 2015
#105
The online polls, record breaking number of contributions and Trump's fear of attacking Bernie
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#55
Trump is attacking Hillary because he has no fear of her, but he's afraid to raise
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#68
That's not how it works. Candidates don't waste money going after those who aren't a threat.
grossproffit
Dec 2015
#80
Trump has unlimited free air, the corporate media keeps him front and center night and day,
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#81
Trump is afraid of Bernie's poll numbers rising, that's why he doesn't bring attention.
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#90
He does and he's already said he wants Hillary to win the primary because 'she will be easier
sabrina 1
Dec 2015
#102
Precisely, such a race would have all the integrity of professional wrestling, and the paying fans
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#18
Exactly and the corporate media are deathly afraid of having Citizens United overturned
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#34
That's precisely what Trump; is most afraid of and he knows Bernie's message can erode
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#40
The corporate media keeps fear front and center, it's the meme of the day, but it's all about
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#58
Why hasn't Trump demanded that Bernie apologize for calling him a pathological liar?
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#62
If Trumps sees Sanders as "insignificant," he would work to raise his profile
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#67
It all depends on the spin that the corporate media puts on those dynamics, Obama would be
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#112
Good grief! I can't believe some of the nonsensical wishful thinking I've read here!
Orrex
Dec 2015
#84
Actually it does make a sound but Trump is too afraid to venture into the woods. n/t
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#69
The corporate media have certainly done their best to make that a reality, but
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#71
Precisely, sadoldgirl as for the trust issue, they balance each other out and Trump can
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#79
We have asked the question "why do Republicans vote against their own best interests?" over and over
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#96
That's for sure Uncle Joe. They want Hillary, Trump has said so as 'she will be easier to beat'.
sabrina 1
Dec 2015
#101
Would you like a quote? Or some polls which clearly Trump is looking at? I think it's funny too
sabrina 1
Dec 2015
#110
Trump doesn't bother with Sanders because he thinks of him as a gnat to brush off his shoulder. n/t
Lil Missy
Dec 2015
#106
Trump helps Hillary in the Primary when he attacks her, he won't mention Bernie's name even
Uncle Joe
Dec 2015
#130