2016 Postmortem

ChiciB1

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93. Yeah, Sad To Have To Say It... But I'm Most

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 10:14 PM

Dec 2015

certainly on the same wave link as you and so many of the rest of us. And I'm also distressed that each time I see her talking the stump and especially at the debates my reaction to her gets more negative as time goes by. I will admit that I never supported her the last time, and it got worse as her campaign went along and I saw things that were done I felt relief when she didn't get the nomination.

Also I wasn't a huge Obama supporter because I could see he was more conservative than me. Of course I doubt any of us thought how vindictive the Repubs vowed to be. They did say from day one that they intended to block him at every turn but to this day I wish he hadn't felt the need to compromise right off the bat. But he has gotten some things done, but the bill he just signed is FULL of awful laws that I doubt many even know. I watch RT & FSTV for my news and one of those shows on RT featured a man names Lionel and the host discussed the whole deal as yet. Just heard about it a few hours ago. What a mess.

And I fear Hillary will be worse! I don't think Bernie will roll over so easily and will fight harder. We ALL know he can't do this alone, there IS a Congress involved so nothing will be easy, BUT unless this country is willing to get a new bunch of people at the top we stay in this RUT!

And I honestly believe Hillary will say anything to get back into the WH and I AM very afraid! I simply have no trust in her but there's no doubt she can put on a GREAT performance and this time there are MORE people around her willing to do whatever it takes to win!

I WISH she would come out and support a complete audit, but since has yet to do so. So I'm even more concerned by what may happen! Don't know what she knows, but I'm sure DWS will DO whatever it takes. She's looking for a big payoff I'm sure!

Thanks for the link, I already saw some of it from their FB page but JDP you've supplied more! WE MUST keep working as hard as we can because we aren't just up against Hillary and her team, we're up against our own Democratic Party!

Even those I thought wouldn't support her have already done so... Wonder what was done behind the scenes to convince the Democrats I felt would stand for us to so quickly come out and give their support already!

Enough or now!

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From the horse's mouth: the NGP Van statement on the data breach. [View all] JDPriestly Dec 2015 OP

"Thanks for being rational" PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #1

Beat me to it! Matariki Dec 2015 #2

desperate to the point of being pathetic Doctor_J Dec 2015 #9

Bernie staffers EXPORTED data that was Hortensis Dec 2015 #176

funny thing is, this is related to benghazi questionseverything Dec 2015 #185

do you think Clinton stole data from Sanders in Oct? hill2016 Dec 2015 #3

I have no idea. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #12

the statement you quoted says hill2016 Dec 2015 #14

This has been addressed. NGP VAN was not the vendor during the October incident. Bubzer Dec 2015 #25

If that is the case... DUbeornot2be Dec 2015 #88

Maybe it is just hard to maintain the security. I don't know about that. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #98

Whoa, hold on there... We don't know why the DNC went with a different vendor. Bubzer Dec 2015 #167

Interesting. But screen grabs take a long time. Hillary, however, could have done that. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #190

+1 Bubzer Dec 2015 #193

You are correct. NGP Van was not the vendor in the earlier incident. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #94

I believe during Weaver's press conference he mentioned Jarqui Dec 2015 #156

Thanks! JDPriestly Dec 2015 #157

Sanders lawsuit will flush the truth out. floriduck Dec 2015 #26

Right. The vendor has more information than any of us. But there will be more on this, I feel JDPriestly Dec 2015 #100

From what I've read, Sanders campaign reported the October incident to the DNC. DNC owns the system; magical thyme Dec 2015 #29

Very possible. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #101

not any trickier than maintaining any "permissions" magical thyme Dec 2015 #133

Thank you. It is definitely the vendor's fault. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #136

Sanders campaign ejbr Dec 2015 #31

Either that or it was a completely different type of "incident" but they're talking about it to..... George II Dec 2015 #44

Well, Yeah... Cheviteau Dec 2015 #171

do you think pigs fly? azureblue Dec 2015 #55

ANYTHING is possible! RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #86

What The Public Heard Was That Sanders Team Cheated... As Hillary Team Screamed BLOODY MURDER! CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #92

We need an independent investigation. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #102

+1 n/t RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #108

Sounds like the Benghazi committee creeksneakers2 Dec 2015 #139

It was a big enough deal for the DNC bvf Dec 2015 #142

Temporarily creeksneakers2 Dec 2015 #148

Access was restored *in the face of a lawsuit.* bvf Dec 2015 #159

bull. tazkcmo Dec 2015 #166

tazkcmo writes: creeksneakers2 Dec 2015 #169

creeksneakers2 writes: tazkcmo Dec 2015 #172

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz pretty much alienated all Sanders voters with her reaction to this JDPriestly Dec 2015 #164

I agree that all voters should be respected creeksneakers2 Dec 2015 #173

I think the existence of security holes makes it a possibility Scootaloo Dec 2015 #126

They have no proof, no indication that happened, nobody in the Sanders campaign is saying that.... baldguy Dec 2015 #168

LOL! "was provided". You make it sound like they gave it to Sanders. Stop covering for his KittyWampus Dec 2015 #4

Access to Hillary's information was provided by NGP Van, not intentionally apparently, but due to JDPriestly Dec 2015 #15

Access to the data was provided (accidentally) by the vendor, the data wasn't provided.... George II Dec 2015 #45

So now you have all the answers that no one else has? Perogie Dec 2015 #48

Here is the proof!1! PosterChild Dec 2015 #154

you have no idea at all azureblue Dec 2015 #56

Anyone claiming the Sanders campaign is totally blameless certainly don't. baldguy Dec 2015 #174

Like who said that? Surely was not a cover up. They reported it. Twice. libdem4life Dec 2015 #186

Who said that? Nearly everyone defending the theft perpetrated by the Sanders campaign. baldguy Dec 2015 #195

You could have saved a lot of time by just going to the vendor's website. libdem4life Dec 2015 #199

are you sure Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #80

Yes. They expected to get only their data, but they got some of Hillary's too. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #110

Ah! You want someone to thank you for being irrational. senz Dec 2015 #95

If I was irrational, I certainly wouldn't want to be thanked for it, but obviously I posted.... George II Dec 2015 #99

The NGP Van site describes the very limited amount of data that was "taken." JDPriestly Dec 2015 #104

No data was taken according to VAN AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #106

Their logs say otherwise - data was searched, downloaded, and stored in folders created.... George II Dec 2015 #112

Nope AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #117

Yes, the vendor has spoken, and spoken again: George II Dec 2015 #119

1 hour and 44 minutes is no time at all to review a database that large. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #121

No she promotes them JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #128

They weren't interested in reviewing the database online, that's why they performed.... George II Dec 2015 #138

To what location do you think they saved the results of their searches? JDPriestly Dec 2015 #153

I assume the vendor found this data on their own website. It was not exported from the website. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #149

And where were the files stored? On NPG Van's website. That's where. In plain sight. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #163

The searches that the Sanders employees made identified what information was Hillary's. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #150

Yes, that's why they call it the setup of permissions "provisioning". lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #87

Your language is much better than mine. It actually describes the process. Thanks. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #107

Let's keep this kicked up notadmblnd Dec 2015 #5

Amy Dacey, DNC CEO, says Sanders staffer: tried to delete notes . . . to hide his activities. KittyWampus Dec 2015 #7

I'm certain she has excellant database administration credentials notadmblnd Dec 2015 #11

Well I looked it up. zeemike Dec 2015 #53

Sounds like she doesn't have a technical background at all notadmblnd Dec 2015 #64

So in effect: Dacey is in the tank for Clinton? (as per establishment echo chamber) eom Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #158

My guess would be yes. zeemike Dec 2015 #170

that is important info zeemike questionseverything Dec 2015 #183

Well the founder of Emily's List, Ellen Malcolm zeemike Dec 2015 #191

Uhhuh JackInGreen Dec 2015 #37

But werent MANY here alleging NGP VAN were in cahoots with DNC and Hillary? randys1 Dec 2015 #60

allegations are just that. notadmblnd Dec 2015 #63

POINT? Either they are in cahoots, or they are the ethical company this OP clearly shows. randys1 Dec 2015 #65

It is yet to be proven notadmblnd Dec 2015 #67

They are. The name of one of the officers is Wasserman. That person is apparently related JDPriestly Dec 2015 #113

There is no relation. That has been thoroughly debunked. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #129

Thanks. Even I am guilty of misrepresentation. Whew! The gossip on the internets. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #134

LOL!!!! stevil Dec 2015 #146

Can you prove they are related? randys1 Dec 2015 #179

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #6

Down with the DNC/DWS and their connection to HRC. We need honest politicians, we are Democrats. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #8

It kills me zentrum Dec 2015 #32

The 1% owns the Party leadership. They aren't the real Democrats that will show up rhett o rick Dec 2015 #33

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #42

I'll second that! haikugal Dec 2015 #82

Frankly, I have always assumed the reason the Dem leadership and power players ignore the clear tblue37 Dec 2015 #122

Yep! And maybe that would explain why Gore treated his loss in 2000 like it was losing a rhett o rick Dec 2015 #151

I posted the same thing on FB... Bjornsdotter Dec 2015 #10

I'd like to know more about the October breach: which company was it, winter is coming Dec 2015 #13

We do need the audit. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #17

That's one of my favorite things about President Obama as well. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #19

did you watch the debates? hill2016 Dec 2015 #22

People who lie a lot are very good under presure. Bubzer Dec 2015 #27

Not how I see it. Sanders is passion about helping the 99%. Clinton smiles and gives nothing rhett o rick Dec 2015 #35

Sanders cares about the issues. senz Dec 2015 #103

Thanks for the op and posts Voice for Peace Dec 2015 #46

In times of a tendency for war maggies farm Dec 2015 #47

She and Obama and Kerry made big mistakes in Syria. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #115

and she is quick to portray herself as a victim grasswire Dec 2015 #83

That is what motivated this hasty accusation that has very little real substance. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #116

Absolutely! Great post!! haikugal Dec 2015 #84

As much as I like Gore, his main problem as a campaigner was being easily stampeded and tblue37 Dec 2015 #124

I'm with you on this. I'd like an independent.. one_voice Dec 2015 #105

yes after all this discussion, why do we still not know who the oct breach company is? questionseverything Dec 2015 #182

Really. SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #189

You must be really tired of posting that link Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #16

Thanks. You are so right. I have posted it so many times yesterday and today. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #20

Thank You, bookmarked now n/t Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #34

See post #89. George II Dec 2015 #90

DURec for the TRUTH. bvar22 Dec 2015 #18

Yeah, Sad To Have To Say It... But I'm Most ChiciB1 Dec 2015 #93

I think many factors led to early endorsements. First of all, she had early dominance and a huge war tblue37 Dec 2015 #137

That Most Certainly Sums It Up... ChiciB1 Dec 2015 #180

I hear Tennyson's line about "nature red in tooth and claw." nt tblue37 Dec 2015 #181

Pretty Scary Too... And One Not Often Quoted... ChiciB1 Dec 2015 #192

Thanks for your post. I think it is our agreement with you about the cynical selfishness of our JDPriestly Dec 2015 #196

Thank you! nt LWolf Dec 2015 #21

K & R! SixString Dec 2015 #23

more from the Horse's mouth Progressive dog Dec 2015 #24

That issue is probably why Bernie fired someone. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #120

Thanks for the truth and for defending it! tecelote Dec 2015 #28

K&R emsimon33 Dec 2015 #30

k & r. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Dec 2015 #36

K & R AzDar Dec 2015 #38

K&R! I hope this post accumulates hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #39

Thanks for posting.... paleotn Dec 2015 #40

That statement was issued before they had a full understanding of the breach AND before.... George II Dec 2015 #41

" ... COULD POSSIBLY HAVE ... " Deny and Shred Dec 2015 #43

So Sanders over-reacted when he fired Uretsky, then. Right? randome Dec 2015 #49

That's what you got out of my post - okay. Deny and Shred Dec 2015 #70

An over-reaction creeksneakers2 Dec 2015 #147

Maybe if it had happened in Hillary's campaign, she wouldn't have fired anyone. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #125

Thank you. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #123

Brick walls in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #50

BUt I thought the CEO of NGP VAN and the company itself was in CAHOOTS with HIllary randys1 Dec 2015 #51

They have a business and reputation to protect! TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2015 #57

Either they are in cahoots with Hillary or they are not, so which is it? randys1 Dec 2015 #58

I really don't know, but they could conceivably be TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2015 #59

Dear god...sigh like I have NEVER sighed before randys1 Dec 2015 #61

I said I don't know. TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2015 #72

Of course DWS is behind HIllary, you could even say that is HER JOB given her JOB is to randys1 Dec 2015 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author JDPriestly Dec 2015 #127

And thank you for the rationality! Duval Dec 2015 #52

K&R CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #54

From the other side of the aisle.. K&R Amimnoch Dec 2015 #62

Agreed.... paleotn Dec 2015 #71

It won't matter to the Hillarians shawn703 Dec 2015 #66

I find it disgusting - so tired 840high Dec 2015 #76

K&R nt magical thyme Dec 2015 #68

The MOST interesting thing about this whole shebang is.... AlbertCat Dec 2015 #69

Excuse my ignorance, I haven't really followed this story too closely. Uben Dec 2015 #74

Read the NGP Van website's blog on this. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #130

Hillary should apologize for going on TV and accusing Sanders camp of 'stealing'. That was a lie. ViseGrip Dec 2015 #75

When is that audit going to begin anyhow? Sanders is nc4bo Dec 2015 #77

She won't. 840high Dec 2015 #78

Well Bernie was certainly a gentleman, and Hillary is not acting like a lady, let alone a prez. ViseGrip Dec 2015 #81

Bernie tells the truth. I've 840high Dec 2015 #85

The establishment media provide errorneous information about the 2016 election campaign? Jack Rabbit Dec 2015 #79

More "from the horse's mouth" - actual internal NGP VAN logs: George II Dec 2015 #89

I read comments this was reported in October and how bad NGP VAN is, looks like the Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #109

Actually NGP VAN isn't as bad as some would like them to be, in fact they're very good..... George II Dec 2015 #111

It is about blaming someone or something else. Coverups are hard to walk back. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #114

NGP Van says it was not the vendor involved in the October breach. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #131

Welp, there it is then... they were viewing exclusive HRC data for nearly 2 hours !!!! uponit7771 Dec 2015 #118

Not very long for a database of that size in my opinion. Not unless you have a photographic JDPriestly Dec 2015 #132

Point being Sanders DD knew they should NOT have viewed the data at all and called the vendor the uponit7771 Dec 2015 #135

Hillary's data was mixed in with theirs. Why should they not have access to their own data. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #145

Bad analogy, they weren't in their "house" THIS db environment is closer to an apartment building vs uponit7771 Dec 2015 #160

From reading the vendor's statement on the website, there was data common to both or all JDPriestly Dec 2015 #161

They at the least could've filtered HRC data out in their quieries and didn't. There's no way uponit7771 Dec 2015 #162

I saw a list of some of the searches. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #197

They did NOT "call the vendor." The vendor locked them out after they realized MADem Dec 2015 #155

Kicky Poo. Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 #91

Let's get to the audit, quickly. ViseGrip Dec 2015 #96

Let It Go JDPriestly... They Have No Interest In The Truth... Only Winning. WillyT Dec 2015 #97

You left out the part about the voter file. joshcryer Dec 2015 #140

If you read the NGP Van blog, you will learn that the vendor was at fault. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #144

It's in the vendors best interest to downplay potential data retention. joshcryer Dec 2015 #152

Where's that pic of Hill's bus, where it says "Powered by NGP Van" SoapBox Dec 2015 #141

Because they have no interest in protecting their AllyCat Dec 2015 #143

You conveniently left out For clarification, NGP VAN played no part in the October data issue that Historic NY Dec 2015 #165

Actually, I believe I did mention that. I am trying to be fair and give everyone the benefit JDPriestly Dec 2015 #198

"NGP VAN played no part in the October data issue that has been mentioned by Sanders camp" riversedge Dec 2015 #175

I see the bare assertion. SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #178

a software bug, like a developer said 20 years ago. "If you build it bug exploiters will use it" Sunlei Dec 2015 #177

Meanwhile the next day Sanders says on MTP Historic NY Dec 2015 #184

Politifact knows what happened? JDPriestly Dec 2015 #187

The truth needs to come out in a thorough investigation of the DNC's handling of these glitches. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #188

Thanks for the update. if their own DNC vendor says this, why would DWS so overreact? EndElectoral Dec 2015 #194