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In reply to the discussion: Very disappointing: Bernie Sanders repeats falsehoods about data breach. [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)232. No mystery--it was NGP VAN engineers.
And they had forty five minutes of free-for-alling before NGP VAN locked them out.
And you "know" the print screen command didn't work? Really? I don't think you do.
The Sanders breach occurred when the DNCs database vendor accidentally dropped a protective firewall meant to shield competitors data. Josh Uretsky, Sanders' national data director eventually fired from the campaign told CNN he downloaded only phone numbers as a way of showing the DNC the system was vulnerable.
But by taking responsibility at the debate, Sanders essentially conceded that wasnt true and one aide to the Vermont senator suggested Uretskys actions were less a concerted hacking scheme than a chance to sneak a look at some data porn.
Clintons staffers and volunteers in Iowa are especially nervous about the long-term impact of the breach winning the caucus is entirely dependent on voter mobilization, and a few thousand votes either way can swing the benchmark contest in unpredictable ways.
Pat Rynard, a longtime Democratic organizer in the state who worked on Clintons third-place effort in 2008, said the Sanders team didnt need to download a lot of data or perform a detailed analysis to derive a benefit.
Just because they didnt export the file doesnt mean they didnt get anything out of it; knowing how many people are in the turnout world could be important, for example, he said. That could change a little bit of how you approach your final caucus strategy. In particular, it gives the Sanders campaign a sense of how their organization stacks up against the Clinton operation, which could let them adjust expectations."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-data-breach-217019#ixzz3v6Te7NYr
But by taking responsibility at the debate, Sanders essentially conceded that wasnt true and one aide to the Vermont senator suggested Uretskys actions were less a concerted hacking scheme than a chance to sneak a look at some data porn.
Clintons staffers and volunteers in Iowa are especially nervous about the long-term impact of the breach winning the caucus is entirely dependent on voter mobilization, and a few thousand votes either way can swing the benchmark contest in unpredictable ways.
Pat Rynard, a longtime Democratic organizer in the state who worked on Clintons third-place effort in 2008, said the Sanders team didnt need to download a lot of data or perform a detailed analysis to derive a benefit.
Just because they didnt export the file doesnt mean they didnt get anything out of it; knowing how many people are in the turnout world could be important, for example, he said. That could change a little bit of how you approach your final caucus strategy. In particular, it gives the Sanders campaign a sense of how their organization stacks up against the Clinton operation, which could let them adjust expectations."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-data-breach-217019#ixzz3v6Te7NYr
These logs show Sanders people spent a bit under two hours in the data. During that time, they called up information from about a dozen states. They queried the database for the number of voters who met certain criteria. The "Turnout" variable shows on a scale of 1 to 100 how likely a person is to vote. A voter with a high "Priority" score would be someone the campaign will make every effort to contact.
The NGP VAN statement said the Sanders campaign could not see actual lists of voters. All that would be visible would be tallies of people. The sole exception was "a one page-style report containing summary data on a list was saved out of VoteBuilder by one Sanders user."
That would correspond to the final item on the log above where at 11:41 a.m. there is a notation for "Hits counts and cross tabs 4 times."
It is unclear if that page was printed out or copied. But it was created because a Sanders staff member took specific actions.
Two people who know the NGP VAN system told PolitiFact that even the most minimal data gleaned from the Clinton campaign would have been valuable.
David Atkins, a campaign consultant and county official in the California Democratic Party, told us that the information would give the Sanders campaign some idea of how the Clinton campaign was targeting voters. And it would offer "a sort of polling snapshot to see how well or poorly she was doing in certain states."..."At the very least, topline numbers would provide a ballpark overview of the numbers the opposing campaign was working with in these states," Kreiss said.
Not only could that open a window into the state of the race, it could help the Sanders campaigns measure the accuracy of its own information.
Atkins cautioned that to this day, only a handful of people actually know what took place. But the activity logs dont help the Sanders campaigns position.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/22/bernie-s/Sanders-take-Clinton-voter-data/
The NGP VAN statement said the Sanders campaign could not see actual lists of voters. All that would be visible would be tallies of people. The sole exception was "a one page-style report containing summary data on a list was saved out of VoteBuilder by one Sanders user."
That would correspond to the final item on the log above where at 11:41 a.m. there is a notation for "Hits counts and cross tabs 4 times."
It is unclear if that page was printed out or copied. But it was created because a Sanders staff member took specific actions.
Two people who know the NGP VAN system told PolitiFact that even the most minimal data gleaned from the Clinton campaign would have been valuable.
David Atkins, a campaign consultant and county official in the California Democratic Party, told us that the information would give the Sanders campaign some idea of how the Clinton campaign was targeting voters. And it would offer "a sort of polling snapshot to see how well or poorly she was doing in certain states."..."At the very least, topline numbers would provide a ballpark overview of the numbers the opposing campaign was working with in these states," Kreiss said.
Not only could that open a window into the state of the race, it could help the Sanders campaigns measure the accuracy of its own information.
Atkins cautioned that to this day, only a handful of people actually know what took place. But the activity logs dont help the Sanders campaigns position.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/22/bernie-s/Sanders-take-Clinton-voter-data/
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Very disappointing: Bernie Sanders repeats falsehoods about data breach. [View all]
BlueCheese
Dec 2015
OP
"They said, "Hey, we got information from the Clinton campaign, we don't want this,"
sufrommich
Dec 2015
#1
You seem to have forgotten that Sanders brought the case to court, and DWSchultz immediatey
Cal33
Dec 2015
#42
Stole Clinton's records... No! "affected data was not exportable, savable, or actionable"
tecelote
Dec 2015
#89
"NGP VAN stated that the affected data was not exportable, savable, or actionable"
Bubzer
Dec 2015
#139
Right... I forgot... as a Bernie supporter, I must provide a Hill of proof to a scrap of rumor...
Bubzer
Dec 2015
#154
So you have evidence that a screen capture was done? NGP VAN says no data was tranfered.
Bubzer
Dec 2015
#181
Once you see the top line strategy, unless you remove someone's brain you have stolen data
Sancho
Dec 2015
#150
If I see the information on screen that I need to hurt you, I don't need to export it. nt
stevenleser
Dec 2015
#166
What did they see that would hurt Hillary? Have they used anything you know of?
tecelote
Dec 2015
#168
All explained in this excellent article by someone who has actually used the database
stevenleser
Dec 2015
#169
You can try and go with that if you want to. It doesn't come close to passing the sniff test. nt
stevenleser
Dec 2015
#172
That's not a non-answer. Sanders APOLOGIZED, and he did it because his people did wrong.
MADem
Dec 2015
#184
Please. The only people "making" this into something other than what it was aren't
MADem
Dec 2015
#214
Yeah, she lost so badly the Sanders campaign stuffed three of their own under the bus. nt
MADem
Dec 2015
#220
It looks like she wanted to avoid having to show up in court and having the whole case aired in the
Cal33
Dec 2015
#265
You're forgetting about the discussions between the three groups (HRC, Sanders, DNC) and the....
George II
Dec 2015
#188
The DNC, under Chair DW Schultz's rule, has become an embarassment, and there is a growing
Cal33
Dec 2015
#267
Stop confusing the issue with facts! Can't you see there's a narative that must be established here?
Bubzer
Dec 2015
#58
Nothing is always fair and balanced. But the Post is an excellent source of good news and facts.
Nitram
Dec 2015
#142
Many of the facts have been established...and they do support Bernie and the ongoing lawsuit.
Bubzer
Dec 2015
#144
You dont want to trust an IT person because he works for Bernie, fine... there are plenty others...
Bubzer
Dec 2015
#153
You have to admit, the staffers themselves aren't likely to be the best sources of infiormation.
Nitram
Dec 2015
#156
I dont know what "stanadard practice" is, but when a Computer Science Professor from Purdue...
Bubzer
Dec 2015
#159
Sorry, Bub, it's hard to take someone seriously when they have a huge pile of steaming shit on their
Nitram
Dec 2015
#162
It's okay. I don't care if your a third way fan or not. Or that you ignore CompSci professors...
Bubzer
Dec 2015
#165
You're right, I don't know you from Adam. As I said, I dont care if you're a 3rd way fan or not.
Bubzer
Dec 2015
#180
Right, so the vendor actually tried to give away Clinton's data to the Sander's campaign.
Nitram
Dec 2015
#111
Read the statement on the website of NPG Van, the vendor that made the mistake.
JDPriestly
Dec 2015
#86
The statement I saw in a video was that they took information about the previous breach in
JDPriestly
Dec 2015
#93
Yeah, sure, they don't want it but they spent almost two hours downloading and saving searches.
George II
Dec 2015
#187
No problem, I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong. The time report came out early and...
George II
Dec 2015
#223
Here is a source of some of the log posted on "crooks and liars", not the entire log.........
George II
Dec 2015
#225
Thus, This Thread By Blue Cheese Is Disconcerting/Problematic related to Its Inherent "Inaccuracy"
CorporatistNation
Dec 2015
#233
Because he is a class guy who does not support taking data from another candidate
daybranch
Dec 2015
#71
His "rogue" staffers and managers are out of control, but he doesn't seem to be able to bring them
BlueCaliDem
Dec 2015
#81
No. It's an accusation, and based on the evidence so far, it's becoming fact.
BlueCaliDem
Dec 2015
#193
+1, its like someone left their front door open & Sanders staff walked into the apartment knowing...
uponit7771
Dec 2015
#235
+1. Until that info comes along, I'll believe Sanders over anyone aligned with HRC or DWS. n/t
winter is coming
Dec 2015
#16
Indeed, I'll believe the unproven alleged liar over the proven liar every time n/t
arcane1
Dec 2015
#92
There is also the problem of why DWS went to the media with a "story" rather than
haikugal
Dec 2015
#30
I think most white wingers look at it as proof Democrats can't handle important things like cyber
Hoyt
Dec 2015
#29
I think you are ignoring this wouldn't have happened without Sanders' campaign taking data.
Hoyt
Dec 2015
#39
Firing when he got caught. Is this the kind of staffer we can expect from Sanders' campaign
Hoyt
Dec 2015
#61
An even handed, fair person would have handled it in house to protect the whole organization.
haikugal
Dec 2015
#33
I've tried to avoid bringing in the other half of this story, which is how the DNC has acted.
BlueCheese
Dec 2015
#47
Interesting but it's all part of the story...and at this time that's all it is.
haikugal
Dec 2015
#56
He did not need more than 40 mins to understand he was viewing data that he shouldn't have
uponit7771
Dec 2015
#237
The Sanders DD KNEW they were receiving information that they shouldn't be seeing and didn't alert..
uponit7771
Dec 2015
#236
They didn't need to either, the breadth of the issues could've been determined by the vendor and
uponit7771
Dec 2015
#244
"on it" doesn't address my claim of searches... they didn't have to pound the DB with endless
uponit7771
Dec 2015
#251
Let's have this genuinely independent and full auditing and investigation begin ASAP!
Douglas Carpenter
Dec 2015
#18
No your wrong on record they both have asked for independent investigation
FloridaBlues
Dec 2015
#34
I am saying IF there is a conspiracy between DWS and Hillary to rig the primaries for Clinton
AgingAmerican
Dec 2015
#76
Given the the chairperson of the DNC is firmly in the Hillary's corner, how do we know.............
raindaddy
Dec 2015
#59
It is strategically designed to get the public on their side in terms of the lawsuit
emulatorloo
Dec 2015
#69
Maybe he should stop this insistence that it wasn't theft. it makes him look bad.
Laser102
Dec 2015
#104
Oh FFS. Sanders is no idiot, nor is the campaign's legal team. Try reading the lawsuit. And UNrec.
magical thyme
Dec 2015
#105
The October issue was another company, someone "deliberately" leaves door open to their apartment
uponit7771
Dec 2015
#238
I'm more speechless about the reaction of certain (not all) Sanders supporters.
BlueCheese
Dec 2015
#134
Regardless of which candidate you support, it was a huge blunder by DWS to make this whole
randys1
Dec 2015
#141
I was aware of the statement that they believed that there was an "unintentional transmission"...
BlueCheese
Dec 2015
#229
They did not need to gather this evidence for more than 40 minutes among 4 different people...
uponit7771
Dec 2015
#240
That's why they set up at least two new accounts, created folders, downloaded the results of....
George II
Dec 2015
#186
Thank you for this information, do you have a link to it? This to me puts this whole issue to rest..
uponit7771
Dec 2015
#243
THX!! ... wow... all SBS Datagate threads are dead... Sanders is getting bad advice on this issues
uponit7771
Dec 2015
#246
One other thing - they didn't merely take access away from "their" data, they took access away....
George II
Dec 2015
#189
Exactly. It was not a contract 'termination', it was a 'temporary suspension'.
randome
Dec 2015
#194
Very Dissappointing: Clinton supporter repeats falsehood in regards to data breach
notadmblnd
Dec 2015
#203
I do not believe it and I think it is gross an independent who bashes Dems walks in to use resources
seabeyond
Dec 2015
#215
Reading DU it's not hard to understand why this issue won't die, no matter how destructive
Number23
Dec 2015
#234
Sanders' already bad numbers have taken a hit. The press on this as I've shown you both
Number23
Dec 2015
#261