2016 Postmortem

Jarqui

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242. They couldn't prove the breadth of it with one query

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:02 PM

Dec 2015

The vendor could say "that was just one field in one state for a few seconds. No big deal"

By going around to a number of states, by looking at a few fields, by testing the selection array on them and by allowing a number of users access to it with various security levels, then you could better describe the breadth of the security exposure. That what it looks like they did in the log.

In their haste, I do not think the Sanders campaign people understood that -not not fully.

And they did alert people in the campaign sooner than before the breach was closed. It was going up the chain of command in the Sanders campaign when the DNC called.

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Very disappointing: Bernie Sanders repeats falsehoods about data breach. [View all] BlueCheese Dec 2015 OP

"They said, "Hey, we got information from the Clinton campaign, we don't want this," sufrommich Dec 2015 #1

Of course not and the lies from Team Bernie continue. leftofcool Dec 2015 #2

You seem to have forgotten that Sanders brought the case to court, and DWSchultz immediatey Cal33 Dec 2015 #42

+1 Bubzer Dec 2015 #57

That's pretty much THE point. bvf Dec 2015 #85

Stole Clinton's records... No! "affected data was not exportable, savable, or actionable" tecelote Dec 2015 #89

You can still do a screen grab. nt MADem Dec 2015 #119

"NGP VAN stated that the affected data was not exportable, savable, or actionable" Bubzer Dec 2015 #139

But she's inevitable and Bernie is ruining it for America! ChairmanAgnostic Dec 2015 #152

Right... I forgot... as a Bernie supporter, I must provide a Hill of proof to a scrap of rumor... Bubzer Dec 2015 #154

You can STILL do a screen grab. Also, check the date on that SNOPES story-- MADem Dec 2015 #155

So you have evidence that a screen capture was done? NGP VAN says no data was tranfered. Bubzer Dec 2015 #181

They were able to download material until they were cut off by their engineers. MADem Dec 2015 #183

They never claimed to sound the alarm about this breach. Bubzer Dec 2015 #185

No mystery--it was NGP VAN engineers. MADem Dec 2015 #232

Still nothing about your screen grab. Bubzer Dec 2015 #268

You have been proven wrong AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #241

No, I have not. Team Bernie has been proven wrong. MADem Dec 2015 #247

You mean a straw grab? AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #239

Feel free to ignore the material I've provided. MADem Dec 2015 #252

Thanks tecelote! Duval Dec 2015 #120

Once you see the top line strategy, unless you remove someone's brain you have stolen data Sancho Dec 2015 #150

Wow! Stolen? Call the Police! tecelote Dec 2015 #151

Actually, the vendor called the DNC who called the Sanders campaign Sancho Dec 2015 #175

And the Sanders campaign is still shopping the falsehood that this system was MADem Dec 2015 #178

Exactly. nt stevenleser Dec 2015 #167

If I see the information on screen that I need to hurt you, I don't need to export it. nt stevenleser Dec 2015 #166

What did they see that would hurt Hillary? Have they used anything you know of? tecelote Dec 2015 #168

All explained in this excellent article by someone who has actually used the database stevenleser Dec 2015 #169

Possible intent. Not definite. tecelote Dec 2015 #171

You can try and go with that if you want to. It doesn't come close to passing the sniff test. nt stevenleser Dec 2015 #172

Good non-answer. tecelote Dec 2015 #174

That's not a non-answer. Sanders APOLOGIZED, and he did it because his people did wrong. MADem Dec 2015 #184

"He's a better man than some of his supporters"... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #190

Please. The only people "making" this into something other than what it was aren't MADem Dec 2015 #214

Please, yourself. ljm2002 Dec 2015 #219

Yeah, she lost so badly the Sanders campaign stuffed three of their own under the bus. nt MADem Dec 2015 #220

They did what was necessary and right... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #222

I suspect they're not the end of the line, either. MADem Dec 2015 #224

Good article Gothmog Dec 2015 #226

Immediately acquiesced treestar Dec 2015 #106

It looks like she wanted to avoid having to show up in court and having the whole case aired in the Cal33 Dec 2015 #265

You're forgetting about the discussions between the three groups (HRC, Sanders, DNC) and the.... George II Dec 2015 #188

and he fired at least one member of his staff over this dlwickham Dec 2015 #202

The DNC, under Chair DW Schultz's rule, has become an embarassment, and there is a growing Cal33 Dec 2015 #267

To be fair, I think that refers to whatever incident happened in October. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #3

Even if that's what he meant,the vendor claims sufrommich Dec 2015 #8

The October event was a completely different vendor Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #19

Stop confusing the issue with facts! Can't you see there's a narative that must be established here? Bubzer Dec 2015 #58

It is the facts that must be established. Nitram Dec 2015 #109

And the washington Post is always fair and balanced? Duval Dec 2015 #128

Nothing is always fair and balanced. But the Post is an excellent source of good news and facts. Nitram Dec 2015 #142

Many of the facts have been established...and they do support Bernie and the ongoing lawsuit. Bubzer Dec 2015 #144

Sounds mighty fishy to me, Bub. Nitram Dec 2015 #148

You dont want to trust an IT person because he works for Bernie, fine... there are plenty others... Bubzer Dec 2015 #153

You have to admit, the staffers themselves aren't likely to be the best sources of infiormation. Nitram Dec 2015 #156

I dont know what "stanadard practice" is, but when a Computer Science Professor from Purdue... Bubzer Dec 2015 #159

Sorry, Bub, it's hard to take someone seriously when they have a huge pile of steaming shit on their Nitram Dec 2015 #162

It's okay. I don't care if your a third way fan or not. Or that you ignore CompSci professors... Bubzer Dec 2015 #165

Jeez, bub, you really don't know if I'm a 3rd way fan. Nitram Dec 2015 #170

You're right, I don't know you from Adam. As I said, I dont care if you're a 3rd way fan or not. Bubzer Dec 2015 #180

I thought it was the same vendor. Are you sure, Blue_Adept? Duval Dec 2015 #123

Yes, NGP VAN has even said so themselves on their blog Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #157

The president of the vendor company worked in the Clinton whitehouse AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #64

Unjustified accusations based on innuendo. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #75

It's on his wiki page: AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #125

I'm not questioning that he was on the Clinton Gore campaign 23 years ago. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #131

Yes it does AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #135

If people who worked on her husband's campaign 23 years ago... BlueCheese Dec 2015 #137

Right, so the vendor actually tried to give away Clinton's data to the Sander's campaign. Nitram Dec 2015 #111

No data was taken AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #132

All the data was clearly marked if it was proprietary to a single campaign. Nitram Dec 2015 #143

No data was taken AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #146

Right. So a query against the database turned up.... Beartracks Dec 2015 #149

The Sanders campaign says they reported it to the DNC... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #192

It is the same vendor. And I think it Duval Dec 2015 #116

Pretty sure it was the same vendor in the October incident... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #191

Read the statement on the website of NPG Van, the vendor that made the mistake. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #86

Ah!! I was getting ready to post this! Thanks for Duval Dec 2015 #133

Yes. It did. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #87

What does any of that have to do with Sanders claim sufrommich Dec 2015 #91

The statement I saw in a video was that they took information about the previous breach in JDPriestly Dec 2015 #93

It did happen in October. You'll see when the investigation is finished. Duval Dec 2015 #112

Yeah, sure, they don't want it but they spent almost two hours downloading and saving searches. George II Dec 2015 #187

I thought the time period was 40 minutes... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #195

The logs begin at 10:40 and end at 12:24. That's an hour and 44 minutes. George II Dec 2015 #198

Okay, the Time report was wrong... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #217

No problem, I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong. The time report came out early and... George II Dec 2015 #223

Here is a source of some of the log posted on "crooks and liars", not the entire log......... George II Dec 2015 #225

Has the independent audit been done? Perogie Dec 2015 #227

Thus, This Thread By Blue Cheese Is Disconcerting/Problematic related to Its Inherent "Inaccuracy" CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #233

Then why fire one guy and suspend 2 others? Why'd he apologize to Hillary? Rose Siding Dec 2015 #4

Being generous, he might think he's firing/suspending them... BlueCheese Dec 2015 #9

Could have asked for a resignation? Rose Siding Dec 2015 #11

That might have worked better. You're right. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #13

I know Rose Siding Dec 2015 #17

Firing is an act of taking responsibility for the actions of the campaign. Bubzer Dec 2015 #66

Because he is a class guy who does not support taking data from another candidate daybranch Dec 2015 #71

One reason I think this is important... BlueCheese Dec 2015 #5

You know he knows better than that. MoonRiver Dec 2015 #31

His "rogue" staffers and managers are out of control, but he doesn't seem to be able to bring them BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #81

+1 SunSeeker Dec 2015 #96

+1. nt MADem Dec 2015 #122

You're spreading falsehoods. carla Dec 2015 #136

No. It's an accusation, and based on the evidence so far, it's becoming fact. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #193

+1, its like someone left their front door open & Sanders staff walked into the apartment knowing... uponit7771 Dec 2015 #235

In my best Forrest Gump voice(which isn't that good) NCTraveler Dec 2015 #6

Let's have a full independent investigation from day one Bjorn Against Dec 2015 #7

That is what I want. I am not afraid of being disappointed in Bernie artislife Dec 2015 #15

That's the only rational thing to do. haikugal Dec 2015 #28

+1. Until that info comes along, I'll believe Sanders over anyone aligned with HRC or DWS. n/t winter is coming Dec 2015 #16

In a heartbeat! Bubzer Dec 2015 #72

Indeed, I'll believe the unproven alleged liar over the proven liar every time n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #92

Me Too Also Cheviteau Dec 2015 #67

Yes. tecelote Dec 2015 #88

It might be true... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #10

I don't know enough about NGP VAN to know if this is how it happened. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #20

Yes, ultimately it did go beyond being passive... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #27

There is also the problem of why DWS went to the media with a "story" rather than haikugal Dec 2015 #30

We really do not need to wonder why DWS did what she did, now do we. pangaia Dec 2015 #38

I was being political..... haikugal Dec 2015 #41

Datagate is the damndest thing I've seen. Sanders needs to quit trying to spin Hoyt Dec 2015 #12

+1 bigtree Dec 2015 #21

The damndest thing about it... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #25

I think most white wingers look at it as proof Democrats can't handle important things like cyber Hoyt Dec 2015 #29

Oddly enough... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #35

I think you are ignoring this wouldn't have happened without Sanders' campaign taking data. Hoyt Dec 2015 #39

This would not have happened... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #45

Firing when he got caught. Is this the kind of staffer we can expect from Sanders' campaign Hoyt Dec 2015 #61

Your first comment in this post was well-considered and helpful. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #62

They reported it was one person when they thought it was one person Kentonio Dec 2015 #98

First of all... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #197

An even handed, fair person would have handled it in house to protect the whole organization. haikugal Dec 2015 #33

I've tried to avoid bringing in the other half of this story, which is how the DNC has acted. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #47

Interesting but it's all part of the story...and at this time that's all it is. haikugal Dec 2015 #56

Not the whole story angrychair Dec 2015 #82

^^^THIS^^^ haikugal Dec 2015 #130

"even as they use it as an attack on the DNC,"... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #199

No, what I meant is that... BlueCheese Dec 2015 #249

And I will concede... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #253

They did not break in to get it. The security failure had one of them Jarqui Dec 2015 #14

You and I have disagreed on this before. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #22

If I wanted to steal that data quickly Jarqui Dec 2015 #37

I doubt very much we'll ever agree on these. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #52

With the other staffers, if you're collecting evidence, you'd want witnesses Jarqui Dec 2015 #94

He did not need more than 40 mins to understand he was viewing data that he shouldn't have uponit7771 Dec 2015 #237

First user in accessed Clinton's fields starting at 10:40am for about 15 mins Jarqui Dec 2015 #248

Facts don't work when discussing with zealots Roland99 Dec 2015 #50

That comment goes both ways, you know ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #115

Incorrect information passed off as facts, you mean? nt MADem Dec 2015 #177

Nope...not in the least. But thanks for playing Roland99 Dec 2015 #269

The Sanders DD KNEW they were receiving information that they shouldn't be seeing and didn't alert.. uponit7771 Dec 2015 #236

They couldn't prove the breadth of it with one query Jarqui Dec 2015 #242

They didn't need to either, the breadth of the issues could've been determined by the vendor and uponit7771 Dec 2015 #244

The breach began at 10:40 and ended at 11:27 - 47 mins not 2 hrs Jarqui Dec 2015 #250

"on it" doesn't address my claim of searches... they didn't have to pound the DB with endless uponit7771 Dec 2015 #251

Again, as the post I linked detailed: Jarqui Dec 2015 #254

Let's have this genuinely independent and full auditing and investigation begin ASAP! Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #18

No your wrong on record they both have asked for independent investigation FloridaBlues Dec 2015 #34

then why are most of her supporters here so against it? Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #49

proof please. I would love some retrowire Dec 2015 #51

NOT very presidential ... at ALL! NurseJackie Dec 2015 #23

because a presidential attitude is retrowire Dec 2015 #48

... is one who's confident enough to play the cards they're dealt ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #73

Judging by what happened... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #201

They leveraged him into cooperating ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #206

No, they pulled a stunt... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #207

The stunt was stealing data from Hillary. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #210

Ah, more of the "bluster" nonsense... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #212

You call it nonsense but you know it's true. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #218

Bernie knows some campaign staffers "did wrong", as you put it... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #221

they leveraged him and he caved. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #228

OMG that's the funniest thing I've read today... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #230

Very presidential... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #200

He's pretending to be a victim. Poor Bernie! NurseJackie Dec 2015 #208

He's not losing ground in the early primary states... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #209

Stand by. His continued antics will change that soon. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #216

Very disappointing: DU HRC fans keep spreading falsehoods. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #24

I would not call myself an HRC fan, unless I am also a Bernie Sanders fan. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #26

Good luck with that request! MoonRiver Dec 2015 #36

Every word of what you said is just your imagination. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #179

Yea like his lawyer said the files dropped on our desk!! FloridaBlues Dec 2015 #32

No magic needed. haikugal Dec 2015 #40

Debbie Wasserman Schultz squeezed the toothpaste outta the tube AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #43

Obviously we will continue to disagree on this. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #44

I just noticed you casually accused Clinton of election fraud. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #53

I have already written an OP about it. AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #60

Now you're accusing Clinton of treason??? BlueCheese Dec 2015 #63

I am saying IF there is a conspiracy between DWS and Hillary to rig the primaries for Clinton AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #76

But you did say that you think they're working together... BlueCheese Dec 2015 #78

It appears so, but there is no solid proof yet AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #113

And the results are in: Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #84

Of all the posts here,,,,,, SmittynMo Dec 2015 #90

haha this is so amusing retrowire Dec 2015 #46

Given the the chairperson of the DNC is firmly in the Hillary's corner, how do we know............. raindaddy Dec 2015 #59

This is what Jeff Weaver and Tad Devine are advising him to say. emulatorloo Dec 2015 #54

In that case I think they are giving him bad advice. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #55

It is strategically designed to get the public on their side in terms of the lawsuit emulatorloo Dec 2015 #69

Al Gore and John Kerry. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #70

Yes, Kerry would have made a great President. emulatorloo Dec 2015 #74

Apparently no better qualified than the IT guy. Hoyt Dec 2015 #65

I'm still waiting Nyan Dec 2015 #68

It's not outrage, and it's not false. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #77

Clinton calls for an investigation XenaAmazon Dec 2015 #118

Has DNC yet? Nyan Dec 2015 #126

In other words... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #204

If any data was being stolen I imagine nyabingi Dec 2015 #79

Nobody doubts that the Sanders campaign accessed Clinton's data. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #80

If there was nothing nefarious nyabingi Dec 2015 #95

The OP is simply wrong. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #83

I love law suits! ish of the hammer Dec 2015 #97

K & R SunSeeker Dec 2015 #99

I suppose Hillary could use her own private server.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #100

Results of your jury service DeadLetterOffice Dec 2015 #101

Hahahaha. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #121

Bernard Sanders acting like a politician with that circular answer? Politicub Dec 2015 #102

? PatrynXX Dec 2015 #103

No, I'm not living in la-la-land. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #124

Maybe he should stop this insistence that it wasn't theft. it makes him look bad. Laser102 Dec 2015 #104

Oh FFS. Sanders is no idiot, nor is the campaign's legal team. Try reading the lawsuit. And UNrec. magical thyme Dec 2015 #105

You are completely wrong on this. Madmiddle Dec 2015 #107

You appear to be allergic to the facts Tarc Dec 2015 #108

This is so far from what the facts would justify I don't know what to say. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #127

The October issue was another company, someone "deliberately" leaves door open to their apartment uponit7771 Dec 2015 #238

What exactly are they still using over, now that access has been restored? Tarc Dec 2015 #110

Breach of contract. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #145

They were harmed by losing access for two days... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #205

lol, damages. get real Tarc Dec 2015 #262

True, being in a political party isn't a right... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #266

What I'm not seeing here is Madmiddle Dec 2015 #114

That's completely anecdotal. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #129

I think Weaver and Briggs and Devine don't want to get fired. MADem Dec 2015 #117

I'm more speechless about the reaction of certain (not all) Sanders supporters. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #134

Some do have the decency to be angered by the behavior of staffers. MADem Dec 2015 #158

Love Hillary, and totally think Bernie is wrong for our next president. Amimnoch Dec 2015 #138

I agree it's a big oops. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #140

Regardless of which candidate you support, it was a huge blunder by DWS to make this whole randys1 Dec 2015 #141

I don't know what the DNC's motive was. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #160

Chuck Todd who everyone on DU has critcized INdemo Dec 2015 #147

I thought Chuck Todd was rude for using the word "magically". BlueCheese Dec 2015 #161

What Sanders said was literally true Samantha Dec 2015 #163

Thanks for your courteous response. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #164

You are welcome -- I first heard about this when Howard Dean was interviewed Samantha Dec 2015 #173

I was aware of the statement that they believed that there was an "unintentional transmission"... BlueCheese Dec 2015 #229

They did not need to gather this evidence for more than 40 minutes among 4 different people... uponit7771 Dec 2015 #240

Disappointed hillary's supporters continue to Voice for Peace Dec 2015 #176

Bullshit. Vattel Dec 2015 #182

That's why they set up at least two new accounts, created folders, downloaded the results of.... George II Dec 2015 #186

WOW, that is very damning. No BSing their way out R B Garr Dec 2015 #213

Thank you for this information, do you have a link to it? This to me puts this whole issue to rest.. uponit7771 Dec 2015 #243

The link to the objective story AND the logs can be found here.... George II Dec 2015 #245

THX!! ... wow... all SBS Datagate threads are dead... Sanders is getting bad advice on this issues uponit7771 Dec 2015 #246

One other thing - they didn't merely take access away from "their" data, they took access away.... George II Dec 2015 #189

Exactly. It was not a contract 'termination', it was a 'temporary suspension'. randome Dec 2015 #194

You are doing exactly what you accuse Sanders of doing. mhatrw Dec 2015 #196

Very Dissappointing: Clinton supporter repeats falsehood in regards to data breach notadmblnd Dec 2015 #203

Sanders wants an audit for good reason. NGP VAN has just spoken..... ViseGrip Dec 2015 #211

I do not believe it and I think it is gross an independent who bashes Dems walks in to use resources seabeyond Dec 2015 #215

America was under the impression Bernie wanted to lay the matter to rest. oasis Dec 2015 #231

Reading DU it's not hard to understand why this issue won't die, no matter how destructive Number23 Dec 2015 #234

Wrong on all counts... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #255

If you want to believe your own spin, you do that. Number23 Dec 2015 #256

You start your screed with... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #258

People don't get fired for doing nothing wrong. Let alone MULTIPLE people Number23 Dec 2015 #259

I did not claim the staffers did nothing wrong... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #260

Sanders' already bad numbers have taken a hit. The press on this as I've shown you both Number23 Dec 2015 #261

Correct on ALL counts! Yup. Nt. seabeyond Dec 2015 #263

kick Dawson Leery Dec 2015 #257

He doesn't have the desire or ability to understand this sht. baldguy Dec 2015 #264