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11. K & R

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 10:39 AM

Dec 2015

She is perfectly clear...she sides with big money and big power.

She won't rock the boat for the Health Insurance industry...

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n Medicare-for-All, Clinton Reminds Us That She's Part of the Problem [View all] eridani Dec 2015 OP

Facts are stubborn things, indeed! Proserpina Dec 2015 #1

Medicare is not free, there is a premium associated with Part B and Part D. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #2

if every single person alive in the US was placed into Medicare for all Karma13612 Dec 2015 #5

Misleading, these are facts, in countries where there is national health care Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #7

Yes taxes are higher but overall costs for health care are much lower. jhart3333 Dec 2015 #14

Of course, but would you give up your Medicare to sign up for the ACA instead? EndElectoral Dec 2015 #16

no way! dana_b Dec 2015 #44

again, in case you didn't fully read my comment, Karma13612 Dec 2015 #20

Yes, but they pay no insurance premiums or copays AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #40

They do in France plus high taxes, they also pay co-pays. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #41

The high taxes result in a much higher standard of living. Single payer proposals here, like those eridani Dec 2015 #57

France isn't every country with single payer AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #63

What is misleading is the facts has not been delivered, the might not fact. Part B is coverage for Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #19

Try thinking outside the box. eom Karma13612 Dec 2015 #21

I am, I am looking at reality, it will not be free, does not matter what you have been told. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #23

You are pulling numbers and rates out of thin air. it is misleading and disingenuous. eom Karma13612 Dec 2015 #36

Okay, pull the numbers out which Sanders has furnished. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #37

The whole point is, unless you get the CBO to do an analysis, you aren't going to have Karma13612 Dec 2015 #38

Well, to startvwith therecwill have to be lots of Republicans defeatedcand removed from Congress. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #39

Washington Health Security Trust estimates $150-$250/month per adult eridani Dec 2015 #54

Love to see single payer, keep in mind - private insurance companies actually administer Medicare. Hoyt Dec 2015 #26

they administer it because the system in thrall to them Armstead Dec 2015 #42

Sometimes you have to deal with reality of politics, even if disgusting. That's what Clinton is doin Hoyt Dec 2015 #43

Yes we would--they make no actuarial decisions and no decisions about what is covered eridani Dec 2015 #58

If a patient has insurance, the tests and treatments ordered will exceed anything in other Hoyt Dec 2015 #59

Nope. All price schedules will be negotiated and controlled--just like they are elsewhere n/t eridani Dec 2015 #60

That would be a big change from what we have now. A desirable change, but Hoyt Dec 2015 #61

Strange. Repubs have driven discourse so far to the right by insisting constantly and loudly what-- eridani Dec 2015 #62

My health insurance at work was charging me $1,200 per month for my healthy 20 year old Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #8

Taxes will still be about $300 a month, what is the difference. $50. If it isn't paid one way it Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #22

It will be a LOT cheaper! Just RX will save tremendous Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #24

Really no reason for me to continue this, this plan will not happen in the next 10 years, maybe more Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #25

Of course. Confronted with facts that destroy Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #30

Personal attacks on me when is not going to change the fact there are too Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #31

The attacks are on your bullshit arguments against healthcare for all. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #33

bye i dont need this, i am right about the Republicans Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #34

The Repubs got to where they are today by demanding every ridiculous policy they wanted--- eridani Dec 2015 #48

They had the votes. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #49

Because they campaign on their values, not their policies eridani Dec 2015 #50

Because republicans votes and gets republicans elected. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #51

There are more independents than Dems or Republicans eridani Dec 2015 #52

The point is to remove a lot of the useless costs Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #29

I'll take "cheaper and universal" for $300/month, Alex n/t eridani Dec 2015 #55

The proposal replaces medicare medicaid and other programs with a comprehensive universal Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #18

Wrong. Taxes are in place of insurance eridani Dec 2015 #46

Yet some still insist she's a progressive. Weird, eh? Scuba Dec 2015 #3

electing Hillary as president will not help the country on any front Doctor_J Dec 2015 #4

ouch. Good comeback!!!! eom Karma13612 Dec 2015 #6

Presenting Republican ideas as a Democrat-the Clinton specialty. jalan48 Dec 2015 #9

That perfectly sums her up. CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #32

K.R 99Forever Dec 2015 #10

K & R SoapBox Dec 2015 #11

Clintons should know they have been 'working towards' Gov healthcare for all Americans the longest. Sunlei Dec 2015 #12

Corporations love Hillary, and they should. She said so herself. ViseGrip Dec 2015 #13

Wonder how many retired people would give up their Medicare. EndElectoral Dec 2015 #15

or people on disabilty dana_b Dec 2015 #45

Glad it was so wonderfully easy for you to get on disability in the first place eridani Dec 2015 #56

I would. Cheaper for me, plus all deductibles would be eliminated eridani Dec 2015 #47

it is also quite ironic that the duers who swore that heritage care was a step toward single payer Doctor_J Dec 2015 #17

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #27

Nominating Hillary will further us down the road to ruin. Broward Dec 2015 #28

Imagine the response here if it was a Republican making the identical attack instead Karmadillo Dec 2015 #35

It's a sad observation, but Hillary Clinton is bought. Ron Green Dec 2015 #53