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Karmadillo

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152. Maybe she lied for consistency's sake? If one is going to have a neocon foreign policy,
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 02:51 PM
Dec 2015

it makes no sense not to have a neocon domestic policy. Feel the CHill!

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/04/23/is-hillary-clinton-a-neocon-lite-2/

Is Hillary Clinton a Neocon-Lite?
April 23, 2015

From the Archive: As Democrats line up behind Hillary Clinton as their presumptive 2016 presidential nominee, many are whistling past the graveyard of her disastrous record on foreign interventions, judgments that raise doubts about her fitness for the job, as Robert Parry observed in 2014.

By Robert Parry (Originally published on Feb. 10, 2014, with some updates.)

Most Democratic power-brokers appear settled on Hillary Clinton as their choice for President in 2016 – and she holds lopsided leads over potential party rivals in early opinion polls – but there are some warning flags flying, paradoxically, hoisted by former Defense Secretary Robert Gates in his praise for the former First Lady, U.S. senator and Secretary of State.

On the surface, one might think that Gates’s glowing commendations of Clinton would further burnish her standing as the odds-on next President of the United States, but strip away the fawning endorsements and Gates’s portrait of Clinton in his memoir, Duty, is of a pedestrian foreign policy thinker who is easily duped and leans toward military solutions.

Indeed, for thoughtful and/or progressive Democrats, the prospect of a President Hillary Clinton could represent a step back from some of President Barack Obama’s more innovative foreign policy strategies, particularly his readiness to cooperate with the Russians and Iranians to defuse Middle East crises and his willingness to face down the Israel Lobby when it is pushing for heightened confrontations and war.

Based on her public record and Gates’s insider account, Clinton could be expected to favor a more neoconservative approach to the Mideast, one more in line with the traditional thinking of Official Washington and the belligerent dictates of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

As a U.S. senator and as Secretary of State, Clinton rarely challenged the conventional wisdom or resisted the use of military force to solve problems. She famously voted for the Iraq War in 2002 – falling for President George W. Bush’s bogus WMD case – and remained a war supporter until her position became politically untenable during Campaign 2008.

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Because what else would she use to smear Sanders? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #1
the only people who get 'free' things are the 1%, her natural constituency. Everyone roguevalley Dec 2015 #121
ummm... because she's Hillary? InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2015 #126
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There's major layoffs under the existing system. harun Dec 2015 #102
Layoffs if we all went on Medicare... PatrickforO Dec 2015 #133
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Excellent! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #70
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It will cost less than if we have to pay insurance premiums RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #32
And those damned deductibles! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #76
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Because of personal ambition? Gregorian Dec 2015 #22
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A field of Strawmen.... daleanime Dec 2015 #44
I suggest you reread the OP. You didn't get it the first time. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #85
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This has been discredited and the article provides hard evidence cali Dec 2015 #31
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Hillary doesn't poll well for trustworthiness Oilwellian Dec 2015 #41
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This is a "Pro-Bernie" thread? Looks more like an anti-Clinton thread.... George II Dec 2015 #67
I know, I know... chervilant Dec 2015 #103
The fact remains, "Why did Hillary use a discredited Rupert Murdoch lie to smear Sanders?" George II Dec 2015 #107
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because she knows she can't win with baggage like integrity stupidicus Dec 2015 #71
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Because he's squeeky clean. They have never had to deal NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #115
Because she has nothing else? jwirr Dec 2015 #117
Here is another answer line to your OP Question. HClinton is using the other part of the lie DhhD Dec 2015 #122
It is a bit disconcerting that there people here who against pushing the Party to Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #128
She's a lying right-winger jfern Dec 2015 #139
She just can't wait for the moment she may verge back to the right. eom Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #143
Because she lies easily, and her supporters will likely say that it is okay to lie in order djean111 Dec 2015 #144
Maybe she lied for consistency's sake? If one is going to have a neocon foreign policy, Karmadillo Dec 2015 #152
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