2016 Postmortem

Zynx

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8. They believe that Sanders will lead such a voter turnout wave that they will take Congress, too.

Fri Dec 25, 2015, 11:28 AM

Dec 2015

Of course, that's absolutely preposterous. There's almost no evidence to suggest the nonvoters are strictly closet Democrats.

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Hillary would START minimum wage negotiations BELOW a "living wage". [View all] Bonobo Dec 2015 OP

This is what it's come to. Corporatists have hijacked the party. Broward Dec 2015 #1

Yep. ANd ist' happening in all areas Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #17

Yes MissDeeds Dec 2015 #44

The term is 'Creeping fascism' AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #91

I always loved the movie "Bladerunner" TheFarS1de Dec 2015 #97

Lol rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #101

Yep, at the same time she claims she wants to "be the champion" of the living wage movement. Scuba Dec 2015 #2

And of women sarge43 Dec 2015 #51

+1000 Depaysement Dec 2015 #3

This issue is very important to her backers. nm rhett o rick Dec 2015 #4

and its a huge blind spot for her supporters. this woman has never been poor. roguevalley Dec 2015 #5

Her "care" for the poor is like Marie antoinette's. She is willing to let us eat cake. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #7

Her public position is for a 65% increase in the Minimum Wage and she's a monster? Zynx Dec 2015 #15

OK, I'll play. How many Years Has It Been this pittance? libdem4life Dec 2015 #69

And how deeply committed is Hillary, even for $12. 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #98

The only way to get "everyone" to like you is to lie to most! Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #118

A 65% increase on horseshit JackInGreen Dec 2015 #108

Have you factored in... SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #6

They believe that Sanders will lead such a voter turnout wave that they will take Congress, too. Zynx Dec 2015 #8

Yes, we are hoping for that Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #40

Mid-term elections + enthusiastic voters + GOTV = A flip. nc4bo Dec 2015 #50

Any evidence that this tidal wave of silent progressive voters exists? Zynx Dec 2015 #75

Do you want a head count or something? Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #82

Really? tazkcmo Dec 2015 #104

That would be the next phase Duckfan Dec 2015 #120

Some evidence that Sanders could conceivably flip Congress thesquanderer Dec 2015 #47

How about your gut reaction to this instead of sellitman Dec 2015 #10

Sanders has an almost identical position. Inconvenient truth. George II Dec 2015 #13

astroturf Mbrow Dec 2015 #25

I'm curious since you claim their approaches are almost "identical" NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #57

Are you kidding? You're not going to hear anything back from that one. notadmblnd Dec 2015 #84

I was just a little taken aback NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #95

Do tell. Define "almost identical position". libdem4life Dec 2015 #58

In the sense that $12/hr is almost identical to $15/hr? n/t Gore1FL Dec 2015 #67

Almost identical? cannabis_flower Dec 2015 #79

boom!! dana_b Dec 2015 #105

Hold up a minute there. Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #35

Yes SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #100

Do you really believe you're leaving 45-7 in the 4th quarter right now? Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #106

If you give up on any policy that won't be approved by Republican congress... thesquanderer Dec 2015 #52

That is why you start higher. Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #60

If she only campaigns for $12 per hour, then $12 per hour is her starting wage in negotiations. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #70

That is exactly why you start high... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #76

It was democrats playing republican light sulphurdunn Dec 2015 #99

So - no one champions a position until s/he knows it will "pass?" bread_and_roses Dec 2015 #107

Obviously they haven't factored in the Repubs in this. Lil Missy Dec 2015 #113

Low turn out happens, in large part, because Rebkeh Dec 2015 #122

the POSSIBLE Democratic nominee. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #131

You're assuming that she will start at all sorechasm Dec 2015 #9

In terms adjusted for cost of living $12/hr is pretty much the highest in the entire world. Zynx Dec 2015 #11

I can not believe you wrote what you just wrote. I really can not. pangaia Dec 2015 #14

What I said is actually true. Adjusted for cost of living, no major country is above $12. Zynx Dec 2015 #16

And... what...? pangaia Dec 2015 #18

...What? That's not even a rational argument. The European countries and Australia Zynx Dec 2015 #24

But we are also the only major country without health care for all peacebird Dec 2015 #20

Yes, and that can be handled separately. You don't do that through the minimum wage. Zynx Dec 2015 #22

It just means our min wage needs to be higher so people can afford health care peacebird Dec 2015 #27

Not to mention free education. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #30

Yes, that too! peacebird Dec 2015 #32

Doesn't it make more sense to have those programs instead of having every single employer Zynx Dec 2015 #49

Yes, but your initial statement is still comparing apples to oranges. peacebird Dec 2015 #61

Which policy is easier to pursue? Higher social benefits or a massively higher minimum wage? Zynx Dec 2015 #74

Minimum wage would be easier AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #93

You don't support 15/hr? artislife Dec 2015 #34

Denmark doesn't actually have a minimum wage that high. Zynx Dec 2015 #45

The thing is that we don't take care of those other things artislife Dec 2015 #54

I think you would find that we support a very similar level of a guaranteed living for people. Zynx Dec 2015 #78

I actually read your other posts after this artislife Dec 2015 #90

You read wrong. $12 would be the highest minimum wage in history adjusted for inflation. DanTex Dec 2015 #110

Ahh yes. The Race to the Bottom Agenda. 99Forever Dec 2015 #42

One that believes in using data and reason to construct good policy. Zynx Dec 2015 #48

Oh my. 99Forever Dec 2015 #62

Let me add.... libdem4life Dec 2015 #66

I think you somehow ignored the fact that I called for radically redistributive policies. Zynx Dec 2015 #80

This character would have us believe... 99Forever Dec 2015 #87

Well, you know the old "set expectations low" so you can go higher. Backwards, IMO libdem4life Dec 2015 #89

I actually had a serious argument and you just dismissed it. I would like to say I'm surprised. Zynx Dec 2015 #73

Keep digging. 99Forever Dec 2015 #86

Well since you haven't made an argument on this thread PERIOD... MadDAsHell Dec 2015 #132

Here come the hand it to the "locals", aka State's Rights. Voting Rights, too? libdem4life Dec 2015 #65

There is a moral difference between variances in the cost of living and basic human rights. Zynx Dec 2015 #71

I don't the "moral difference". Ever bought a tank of propane? There are all of two libdem4life Dec 2015 #85

We're up against the douche governor who lowered it from $10.10 to $7.25 Dem2 Dec 2015 #92

Where do you get that from? While I'm waiting, here is Sanders' position on the minimum wage.... George II Dec 2015 #12

Frothing at the mouth is much more fun. Don't get in the way of that. Zynx Dec 2015 #29

Not "start negotiations" with Rethuglicans -- "start increases to get to $15". Clever deflection JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #31

Really not clever at all. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #114

That is how the Seattle $ 15 and hour was worded to artislife Dec 2015 #37

Hillary is a creature of Wall Street Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #19

I'd like to see the US minimum wage linked to the cost of health care. Since we can't seem to ... BlueJazz Dec 2015 #21

Begin negotiating by showing good-faith with a pre-emptive compromise HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #23

Can we expect her to evolve in the negotiations, settle for $6.35 and proclaim it a victory? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #26

$15/hr is too much. Gman Dec 2015 #28

Why do those economies of scale not function at $9 per hour? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #36

There are a lot of variables Gman Dec 2015 #59

There are also parts of the country where the typical house only goes for $50k. Zynx Dec 2015 #38

I totally don't understand this post zalinda Dec 2015 #111

You should study how the Seattle $15 an hour is set up. nt artislife Dec 2015 #39

I'm not totally familiar with Seattle Gman Dec 2015 #55

I think her plan is minimum of $12 in podunk America, more in high cost areas. Whatever it is, she Hoyt Dec 2015 #33

Why does she have a better chance? artislife Dec 2015 #41

"Something"? Is that what we're hoping for? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #43

Read the title and you will know what "something" is. Sorry I didn't spell it out for ypu. Hoyt Dec 2015 #46

I can read. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #53

Fine, get nothing. Sanders won't get $12 or even $9 in rural areas. But he can claim he tried. Hoyt Dec 2015 #56

Why do you think Sanders can't but, you think HRC can? Explain please. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #116

Look at what time Sanders has accomplished. Now look at Clinton. If nothing else, Clinton can Hoyt Dec 2015 #123

are you implying blackmail? Hiraeth Dec 2015 #124

She'll get the job done. I've supported one George McGovern in my life. Not wasting a vote on anoth Hoyt Dec 2015 #125

winning at any cost? doesn't matter how one plays the game? am I understanding you correctly? Hiraeth Dec 2015 #126

No you are not. Quit reading while pointing at each word. Hoyt Dec 2015 #127

then why do you use THOSE words? I am reading for comprehension. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #128

No, you are reading one word at a time Read in chunks and in context. Hoyt Dec 2015 #129

It's all theater, bonobo. here's how it will play out Doctor_J Dec 2015 #63

Not if get Bernie in there. Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #68

Saving this comment in case Hillary gets elected...sheesh what a depressing prospect. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #117

Just one detail... Ino Dec 2015 #119

I'm going to need a link to that quote from Hillary... NotHardly Dec 2015 #64

Of Course she would - it helps Wall Street. And the rest of us should be grateful Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #72

I think my first job was $3 an hour.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #77

And in the name of compromise, she'll settle for a lower amount. Lancero Dec 2015 #81

The last thing we need is another, start in the middle, and settle for less, negotiator. nt Snotcicles Dec 2015 #83

Let 'em eat cake !! Hiraeth Dec 2015 #88

Fight for $15 has become ask politely for $12. pa28 Dec 2015 #94

...AND THAT is BEFORE the inevitable 3rd Way Triangulation and "compromise" with The Republicans. bvar22 Dec 2015 #96

And phased in over time. tazkcmo Dec 2015 #102

Please provide a link to this declaration... I'd like to see for myself NotHardly Dec 2015 #103

+ 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #109

Better chance to get $12 passed with a Repub Congress. $30 would be nice too but would never pass. Lil Missy Dec 2015 #112

0 chance if that's the starting point. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #115

Yep, that's it. nt Bonobo Dec 2015 #121

One of the Many Things I've Been Learnig gordyfl Dec 2015 #130

seems noone IN Gov. TODAY can even raise American workers out of the patethic $7.25 federal min. Sunlei Dec 2015 #133

A minimum wage indexed to local cost of living would be best jmowreader Dec 2015 #134