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I seriously am troubled that Bernie's avoidance of Vietnam is being made an issue here [View all] karynnj Dec 2015 OP

When all ya got is a "Water Ballon" fredamae Dec 2015 #1

Why does that feel so much like Tony Beets saying "Hey, make dis happening" ? HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #4

Gold Rush reference ybbor Dec 2015 #37

Personally, I think it's appeal is like Bob The Builder, but aimed at adults. HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #70

I too am shamefully addicted to this anti-environmental show. I love Parker. He started out liberal_at_heart Dec 2015 #72

Me, too ybbor Dec 2015 #91

hee shanti Dec 2015 #55

The dredge pirate ybbor Dec 2015 #92

for some reason shanti Dec 2015 #114

Bernie was right...and I wish I could have been a CO... Human101948 Dec 2015 #2

Before jumping on the bandwagon about criticizing others about their draft status in the Vietnam Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #3

Clinton was eligible for the draft in 1969 when he got his BA karynnj Dec 2015 #7

Did he stop his education, no he continued to get his law degree. What he did not do is Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #65

You know nothing about the time karynnj Dec 2015 #67

Obliviously you are not on game know what I know and what I knew was occurring Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #68

Sanders visited Israel catnhatnh Dec 2015 #74

What year did he he live in the kibbutz? Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #77

It is in his wiki bio catnhatnh Dec 2015 #83

Doesn't change that there was a lot of fancy footwork in 1969 to avoid being drafted karynnj Dec 2015 #76

When Bill Clinton is brought in as a draft dodger and I know Sanders also avoided the draft Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #78

Now you're claiming he went to Israel to avoid the draft? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #97

Nothing Like A Touch of Hypocrisy... CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #71

This works both ways, Bernie Sanders is allowed due deference in your mind and Bill Clinton is not. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #88

The war in Vietnam did not end in '73 catnhatnh Dec 2015 #73

By 1975 Bill Clinton was 29 and already past the draft age. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #89

This is so strange to read here. I spent years, long after Clinton left office, defending him for sabrina 1 Dec 2015 #112

K&R nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #5

I have seen precisely two threads on DU making this claim-- Skidmore Dec 2015 #6

There was an earlier one that I was reacting to -- as I would guess Cali was karynnj Dec 2015 #8

It's not so much avoiding Vietnam as it is seeking CO status. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #9

So, Bill Clinton's actions were more honorable? karynnj Dec 2015 #10

In a word, yes. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #11

So, something he did 40+ years ago should be held as 100% today? Lordquinton Dec 2015 #16

When it comes to Conscientious Objector Status? ABSOLUTELY! MohRokTah Dec 2015 #21

Or maybe his views have evolved Lordquinton Dec 2015 #25

On the issue of CO status, I am unwilling to take the risk. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #29

That's odd, CIC is a civilian role. eggplant Dec 2015 #51

Voting to invade a country under false pretenses is disqualifying. leveymg Dec 2015 #82

"We came, we saw, he died" is a major disqualification for the presidency eridani Dec 2015 #93

Hillary Clinton would rebuke you. earthside Dec 2015 #59

There are only TWO qualifications to be president under the constitution davidpdx Dec 2015 #94

That's not the definition of a conscientious objector, but then you knew that. Scuba Dec 2015 #96

That's not what you posted before. in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #115

Yeah, really.....who would ever do such a thing? MADem Dec 2015 #86

Snopes: Bill resorted to deception & manipulation;failed to honor promises. Divernan Dec 2015 #18

No he didn't karynnj Dec 2015 #22

Voting for an illegal war Politicalboi Dec 2015 #43

And of course, unlike other areas of life, Hillary Clinton enjoyed "women's privilege"... cascadiance Dec 2015 #50

So, at the time when Sanders was getting his CO status, Hillary was supporting Barry Goldwater, one Bernblu Dec 2015 #98

This thread is disgusting! ln 04 Kerry was smeared for volunteering! ViseGrip Dec 2015 #81

Seeking CO status was (and is) perfectly patriotic and honorable frazzled Dec 2015 #26

And yet, seeking such status indicates the person is incapable of... MohRokTah Dec 2015 #30

I'm not entirely sure of that frazzled Dec 2015 #39

You should research it then. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #40

It's a PERSONAL status, not a political status frazzled Dec 2015 #45

Found on wiki catnhatnh Dec 2015 #79

No it does not ! pangaia Dec 2015 #87

You are incorrect. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #90

So being open about opposing the war is worse... backscatter712 Dec 2015 #34

That isn't what he did. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #38

So being honest and up front about his feelings on armed conflict.... paleotn Dec 2015 #49

Into harms way? Oldenuff Dec 2015 #53

You of course know that his application was rejected Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #58

Too bad for you that many of us catnhatnh Dec 2015 #75

Just what I'd expect from you: Anyone with a conscience is DQ'd from being President. Scuba Dec 2015 #95

I think the discussion... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #12

come on. you keep saying this but neither millennials or even gen x JI7 Dec 2015 #24

That is the question posed. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #35

I wonder if younger generations treestar Dec 2015 #62

Those are my thoughts. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #63

it's total BS/nonsense stupidicus Dec 2015 #13

Hippy punching has become vogue here lately JackInGreen Dec 2015 #14

Bill Clinton is mostly the one being punched. R B Garr Dec 2015 #19

Link to where Bill Clinton dissed BS's Vietnam avoidance. R B Garr Dec 2015 #15

This was written in 2008 - and it was Obama he dissed nt karynnj Dec 2015 #23

Where is what Clinton said about Bernie? You posted R B Garr Dec 2015 #28

I did not say that EITHER Clinton said anything about Bernie karynnj Dec 2015 #32

Hmm. I didn't see Clinton supporters "pushing" R B Garr Dec 2015 #48

also because Kerry who DID serve was attacked for protesting the war JI7 Dec 2015 #17

This is the third time in the last few hours that this, or a similar issue, has been brought up as.. George II Dec 2015 #20

Here ya go PaulaFarrell Dec 2015 #31

Thank you, I hadn't seen that. Personally, I don't see this as an issue today.... George II Dec 2015 #44

It took me 15 seconds to find after I decided to "go look for it" ybbor Dec 2015 #41

I don't think it's an issue here treestar Dec 2015 #27

I suspect it's largely generational. Smarmie Doofus Dec 2015 #33

I seriously think most of them don't know about Bill's avoiding the draft. nt artislife Dec 2015 #36

I haven't seen a thing about it. But the best way to not have it be an issue is silvershadow Dec 2015 #42

Infighting in DU... NotHardly Dec 2015 #46

Knowing what we know now about the lies and deception around the Vietnam War... AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #47

Don't be too upset... kenfrequed Dec 2015 #52

So now we have arrived at the swiftedboating part of the elections Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #54

If this troubles you and he somehow, in spite of his followers, does manage to get the Squinch Dec 2015 #56

The Vietnam Vets were being blamed for the War, the war being lost, and the war that LBJ ended DhhD Dec 2015 #60

No recent candidate of age to have served in Vietnam, whether they were a veteran or a non-veteran, Squinch Dec 2015 #80

What do you mean LBJ ended? catnhatnh Dec 2015 #85

Highly recommended reading... onager Dec 2015 #105

We outspend the next top 13 countries in military expenditures Kalidurga Dec 2015 #57

something I'm not getting treestar Dec 2015 #61

This was a shift in selection method, not the institution of the first conscription. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #66

You looked up "draft lottery" implemented in 1969. Bernie was draftable from when he turned 18 until Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #99

couldn't find anything in google treestar Dec 2015 #100

When you don't know what you are talking about it is best to stop talking. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #101

well that was really nice of you treestar Dec 2015 #103

To give you more information on the draft... Curmudgeoness Dec 2015 #113

This book has a lot more detail treestar Dec 2015 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #117

"Are we now to descend, like latter-day Spiro Agnews, Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #64

The Democratic Party sold its soul and started supporting war in order to get votes, and it liberal_at_heart Dec 2015 #69

A Democrat got us into WWI and WWII. Wilson, Roosevelt, and Truman. korean War Truman Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #84

yup. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #102

Sorry to be the one to tell you, but this subject would be unavoidable in the general election ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #104

If Sanders wins the nomination, he will be eviscerated with his "Conscientious Objector Status." Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #106

So wise after a whopping Puglover Dec 2015 #107

I don't know, but ... you're very welcome! NurseJackie Dec 2015 #109

I'll Puglover Dec 2015 #110

That would be a safe bet. :-) NurseJackie Dec 2015 #111

If Hillary is chosen, then Bill will be their target for avoiding Viet Nam Oilwellian Dec 2015 #108

Any Democrat raising this issue should be ashamed John Poet Dec 2015 #116