2016 Postmortem

bvar22

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268. "It's not untrue until I see evidence to the contrary." ---brooklynite, post 47

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 04:33 PM

Dec 2015

Then keep your eyes and ears closed, and you will never have to face the TRUTH,
OR
attend a Bernie Rally and find out the TRUTH instead of posting BS lies to DU,
or pontificating about things about which you know NOTHING.

Expecting either a correction to your posted FALSE INFORMATION by brooklynite,
or a retraction and an apology to Bernie's Campaign.

Anybody can just make stuff up
like you did in post#28.
Pure Fabrication....but that doesn't seem to bother you, does it?
Otherwise, you would go back, and edit your post to reflect the TRUTH instead of the LIE you fabricated.
Openly lying about something so easily checked in NOT a smart thing to do at DU,
and damages your remaining credibility.

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$250,000 a Year Is Not Middle Class [View all] LiberalArkie Dec 2015 OP

Um,...yes it is. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #1

Uh, no.... daleanime Dec 2015 #3

So what is? NT Adrahil Dec 2015 #203

Around $52,000 is the medium average income in America..... daleanime Dec 2015 #205

But the average in the US is NOT middle class, it is barely scraping by, one paycheck away from tblue37 Dec 2015 #208

According to what metrics? cali Dec 2015 #4

Good point, cali. forest444 Dec 2015 #73

look at median income by state passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #93

Statistically speaking, you're absolutely right. forest444 Dec 2015 #101

He never said median income is a fair income passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #139

Hear, hear. forest444 Dec 2015 #145

Happy New Year and good fortune to you too! passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #147

i think @250000 is upper middle class MariaThinks Dec 2015 #136

And I think Santa Clause is real passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #142

i'm certainly not rich and i make far more than that. MariaThinks Dec 2015 #144

You are to most here. Indydem Dec 2015 #193

ha ha - i support a lot of charities MariaThinks Dec 2015 #196

Doesn't matter. Indydem Dec 2015 #197

Generalize much? MariaThinks Dec 2015 #249

Total Misunderstanding Indydem Dec 2015 #265

ok MariaThinks Dec 2015 #270

And I have a black friend passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #232

and how will we get there without charities? MariaThinks Dec 2015 #250

Seriously passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #251

100% capitalism does not produce a good and fair society MariaThinks Dec 2015 #254

So what's your number? Adrahil Dec 2015 #260

I don't have a "number." Indydem Dec 2015 #264

Thanks. Nt Adrahil Dec 2015 #269

We need more people like you here passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #230

Statistics? MoonchildCA Dec 2015 #201

I'm not the one saying it's middle class passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #231

$250,000 is about 5 times the U.S. Median income Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #202

Um,.. it's not 840high Dec 2015 #5

No, it simply is not. I did these calculations last time hill2016 made such a claim. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #12

Add a third kid. What about transportation expenses? MADem Dec 2015 #155

I was leaving disposable income to cover those things. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #158

"No one gets a vacation" Bettie Dec 2015 #175

That is reality for poor and working poor--it's not reality for "middle class" families. MADem Dec 2015 #183

Thank you hill2016 Dec 2015 #272

The best number I have seen for median income is $134,000 Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #204

If $250,000 is middle class income, where does my $1645 a month income put me? LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #14

You and I are both bum class! Helen Borg Dec 2015 #55

Somewhere between: snort Dec 2015 #56

Below the poverty line. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #85

Nope single, way too wealthy for anything but medicare. LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #89

And that's a huge problem as well. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #98

Their feeling come from the people they socialize with. I just can't see Hill catching a ride from LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #108

Before or after taxes? whathehell Dec 2015 #131

points to the can o beans hanging over the fire under the bridge w0nderer Dec 2015 #168

Working poor, or flat-out poor--depending on where you live. nt MADem Dec 2015 #184

Working class. NT Adrahil Dec 2015 #261

How do you feel about the Kaiser Family Foundation and enlightenment Dec 2015 #15

Errr, no it is not. Not even close. -none Dec 2015 #19

No, its not. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #26

where? annabanana Dec 2015 #36

That is where I live...and that would be middle class there. Lucky Luciano Dec 2015 #44

"Lucky" is right.. annabanana Dec 2015 #48

Well said! alcina Dec 2015 #59

250k is what, like 20k a month? zeemike Dec 2015 #62

$20K per month assumes no taxes. Lucky Luciano Dec 2015 #66

A small one bedroom walk up with no real kitchen in Alphabet City costs $3000/mo, more by now. cui bono Dec 2015 #189

Paupers dont get to live in the palace. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #198

Oh please. The median income in NYC is $60,000. A New Yorker who earns 250K a year is in the top Chakab Dec 2015 #75

This is my neighborhood. Lucky Luciano Dec 2015 #99

Like I wrote in my response to another poster, the conventional definition of "middle class" is so Chakab Dec 2015 #111

Yes whathehell Dec 2015 #134

Once you hit rich, it's not a gradual climb any more passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #236

I certainly agree that "middle class" isn't what it used to be.. whathehell Dec 2015 #247

I so agree with you passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #266

I think there is another dynamic at play. Lucky Luciano Dec 2015 #138

Swing and a miss ornotna Dec 2015 #40

250K puts a person in the top 2% of earners, not in the middle of earners. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #118

And right at the very top of upper middle class in any large US city. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #174

$250,000 is twice the highest median number I have seen Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #206

$250K is the very pinnacle of upper middle class. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #258

Obvious troll is more obvious than ever. Goodbye Pretzell_warrior aka functioning_cog. Electric Monk Dec 2015 #163

Duh! Hillery is living in a bubble & out of touch just like... Rockyj Dec 2015 #188

Hilarious that people who cannot fathom basic polling numbers wildeyed Dec 2015 #256

I would love to be middle class! bigwillq Dec 2015 #2

I guess I'm dirt poor then lol 840high Dec 2015 #6

So anyone making less that 250k is ? Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #7

Thank you! oldandhappy Dec 2015 #8

You likely don't understand... Sancho Dec 2015 #9

If the net income on your small business or farm is $250,000, you are doing quite well. Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #13

Yes quite well....middle class. You are right. yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #18

Hahaha! $250,000 puts one in the top 3% Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #21

yes but we need to start with the top 1%(actually the top .01% but that gets confusing) questionseverything Dec 2015 #161

That not what that poster stated ... He/She mentioned revenue, not net revenue. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #33

Aren't we talking about personal income? cali Dec 2015 #24

Small business owner KittyWampus Dec 2015 #31

Small business pays the taxes that big business doesn't have to, this is why small business is being Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #46

Income taxes are paid on net revenue, not gross revenue. jeff47 Dec 2015 #51

Have you run a family farm? Sancho Dec 2015 #149

You couldn't be more WRONG. bvar22 Dec 2015 #159

Haha. You didn't answer the question!! Sancho Dec 2015 #171

What do you hope to accomplish with an immature response like that? cui bono Dec 2015 #190

I actually live on a small farm in a very rural part of Arkansas. bvar22 Dec 2015 #217

Sorry you're wrong Sancho Dec 2015 #233

Wait...WHAT? ... I'm wrong? bvar22 Dec 2015 #239

Then if you want that farm to pay more in taxes, vote for Bernie. Sancho Dec 2015 #253

Again, you couldn't be more WRONG: bvar22 Dec 2015 #248

I'm not talking about estate taxes of course... Sancho Dec 2015 #252

I've run a family business, which is basically the same thing when it comes to taxes. jeff47 Dec 2015 #186

Ridiculous Republican strawman. If a small business is generating $250,000 in net income before tax, Chakab Dec 2015 #77

In a country in which some millionaires consider themselves "dead broke" it is. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #10

Now, see, this is where HRC lost me--the final straw, if you will. chervilant Dec 2015 #60

PLUSlolONE! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #78

The 67% mark for household income is about $80K Recursion Dec 2015 #11

He must not live in the Bay Area. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #16

And to live in West Little Rock, Ar, you would need a household income of over 1 million. So? LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #17

So? Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #23

So then, what you are saying, is that we should leave it to millionaires? RandySF Dec 2015 #42

LOL. You're the "socialist" who defends the interests of the top 3%! nt Romulox Dec 2015 #102

No. Try reading comprehension. I posted a chart down thread Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #106

You failed to comprehend your own chart. You're carrying water for the rich. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #110

Blah blah blah. Try moving here for a job, and get back to us. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #116

I understand. You live amongst the wealthy, you naturally want to *serve* their interests. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #119

Ha! (nt) Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #121

So long as we recognize your schtick as a comedy routine. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #126

No, we recognize that yours is that 50k a year Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #128

It's "middle class" in America. If that galls, then don't carry water for the wealthy who made it Romulox Dec 2015 #129

It's closer to poverty now, for a household, for the most populated Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #132

HA! YOUR candidate is against the "Fight for $15". Romulox Dec 2015 #133

No she isn't. She's for $15 and higher for areas like mine. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #135

What a joke. I live in one of the poorest rural areas of the country Karma13612 Dec 2015 #166

I actually happen to agree with you. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #169

oops! OK, I understand now. peace! eom Karma13612 Dec 2015 #173

Unfortunately, she's not telling the truth. The "Fight for $15" doesn't include a sliding scale. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #215

That's not what the "Fight for $15" is about. It doesn't include a sliding scale. Romulox Dec 2015 #216

Hurr Durr Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #219

When facts aren't on your side, I suppose your response is all that remains. Romulox Dec 2015 #220

You aren't a socialist anything, so I put forth the amount of energy your output entails. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #221

LOL. Neither are you--you support the obscenely wealthy friend of Wall Street over the people. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #222

Mmm, I'm going to love all the tears during the next 8 years of President Hillary. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #224

Starry 2012: "Complete emancipation of women is possible only under Socialism." Romulox Dec 2015 #225

Romulux--total output to support working class issues over all his years at DU Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #226

Is that supposed to be a coherent defense to your ideological about face? Romulox Dec 2015 #227

Awwww. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #228

This is sad. I feel bad for you. But at least the jig is up on your phony "socialist" blog. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #229

((hugs)) Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #234

((yuck)). nt Romulox Dec 2015 #235

Honestly, you need to give it up. demmiblue Dec 2015 #237

Agreed. Still the conservative "evolution" of that poster is jarring, given her previous posturing. Romulox Dec 2015 #240

Meh, it was probably just a fad/phase for her. demmiblue Dec 2015 #241

Agreed again. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #242

Sub-replies are kind of rude, demmiblue. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #243

And Hillary STILL is against the "Fight for $15", despite your attempted subject change! nt Romulox Dec 2015 #223

some people are so silly SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #20

So no tax increase for me ... GOOD! NurseJackie Dec 2015 #22

Would you trade a tax increase that is more than offset by lower healthcare costs? nt Lucky Luciano Dec 2015 #143

Not gonna happen. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #150

Wow - you are so smart. Lucky Luciano Dec 2015 #152

Sorry. I'm not inclined to flatter you by answering an absurd hypothetical. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #157

Spoken like a lawyer - obfuscating and triangulating. Lucky Luciano Dec 2015 #165

LOL NurseJackie Dec 2015 #172

I have seen your general style before. Lucky Luciano Dec 2015 #176

No one likes a bragger. n/t tazkcmo Dec 2015 #179

I'm still waiting for someone to ask Hillary how much a loaf of bread costs. Scuba Dec 2015 #25

Why don't you? brooklynite Dec 2015 #28

Who told you Bernie doesn't interact with the audience? That person lied to you. Scuba Dec 2015 #35

Nobody told me... brooklynite Dec 2015 #39

Well, I'm sure you'll want to edit or delete rather than spreading untruths. Scuba Dec 2015 #41

It's not untrue until I see evidence to the contrary. brooklynite Dec 2015 #47

Ok, I have not seen evidence proving you aren't a Colombian drug lord. jeff47 Dec 2015 #52

I cited the evidence I had available... brooklynite Dec 2015 #64

As did I. jeff47 Dec 2015 #67

Feel free to throw insults... brooklynite Dec 2015 #70

I'm very disappointed in you, brooklynite. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #82

"It's not untrue until I see evidence to the contrary." ---brooklynite, post 47 bvar22 Dec 2015 #268

in Iowa he took questions and comments from audience Jackilope Dec 2015 #58

Huge +1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #84

"Middle class" is different from median (middle) income. Gormy Cuss Dec 2015 #27

It's a completely meaningless classification given its expansive nature. Chakab Dec 2015 #91

Well yes, that's my point. Gormy Cuss Dec 2015 #182

The top 3% of something cannot be described as the "middle", regardless of attempted misdirection. Romulox Dec 2015 #113

At 250K in high cost parts of the country, that's well below the "top 3% of earners. Gormy Cuss Dec 2015 #181

Oh, wait, Sanders has come to Hillary's position in raising FICA taxes on those Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #29

Bernie has long been for raising the FICA cap, been listening to Brunch with Bernie for a long time. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #50

Yes, he was going to remove the max cap, now he is going for the over $250,000 Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #79

I'll have to research that. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #141

Raising the FICA cap is seen as a fix to social security. joshcryer Dec 2015 #271

How does "shrinking" of the middle class fit in to the formula elias7 Dec 2015 #30

But for accuracy's sake; didn't, HRC promise not to raise taxes on the ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #32

Your re-definition of "working class' truebluegreen Dec 2015 #153

Middle Class is a range pandr32 Dec 2015 #34

It is if you live on the East or West Coasts RandySF Dec 2015 #37

No it is not. 250K is top 2% or 3% of earners, no matter where you are. The fact that your Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #122

It's four times median household income in San Francisco Recursion Dec 2015 #151

I am a worker living just above the poverty line in San Francisco. Hell Hath No Fury Dec 2015 #213

Yeah it is. nt LexVegas Dec 2015 #38

I know auto workers who bust their asses with overtime to make $250k RandySF Dec 2015 #43

Bullshit. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2015 #63

My cousin and my dad's neighbor, Einstein. RandySF Dec 2015 #72

Yep. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2015 #112

yes it is. the life that $250 k will buy you is what a factory worker or mopinko Dec 2015 #45

The disconnect is strong with this one. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2015 #65

vacation homes in my day were not full blown second homes. mopinko Dec 2015 #88

My parents never had a vacation home. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2015 #114

maybe your parents werent really middle class, then. mopinko Dec 2015 #123

What you're describing is not middle class starroute Dec 2015 #69

This is the problem with the expansive definition of "middle class" that's used in the US. The vast Chakab Dec 2015 #87

that would be my point. mopinko Dec 2015 #90

Then we have a serious semantics problem in the US because the "middle class" is considerably Chakab Dec 2015 #94

that would be the crux of the bernie sanders campaign. mopinko Dec 2015 #96

I live like that and earn far less than 250k whatthehey Dec 2015 #209

What do you expect from someone owned and operated by The Oligarchy? Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #49

good gawd but there's a lot of bullshit to wade through going down this thread. Amimnoch Dec 2015 #53

Your Wikipedia link doesn't say what you think it does muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #160

Median income and middle class are not Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #54

Nice way to make the vast majority of Americans feel like worthless bums! Helen Borg Dec 2015 #57

YOUNG AMERICANS SHOCKED TO LEARN OF HILLARY�S MULTIPLE MANSIONS tecelote Dec 2015 #61

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Capt. Obvious Dec 2015 #76

Whoa! That is a crappy site. tecelote Dec 2015 #164

$250k is middle class Lazy Daisy Dec 2015 #68

Bingo. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #74

It's a matter of basic math, not wish fulfillment. $50k is the *reality* of Middle Class. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #100

There ARE rural parts of the country where $50K goes a LONG way. bvar22 Dec 2015 #238

Your suggestion is nonsense Lazy Daisy Dec 2015 #245

Probably upper middle class. Its poor compared to top 1% and especially top .1% ErikJ Dec 2015 #71

HRC makes more than that for some speeches. guillaumeb Dec 2015 #80

Personally Old Codger Dec 2015 #81

It's what the middle class would be, if wages/purchasing power kept up with inflation. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #83

$250,000 a Year Is Not Middle Class! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #86

Sounds very comfortable to me too treestar Dec 2015 #92

I'm Not Surprised gordyfl Dec 2015 #95

Depends on where you live. In some major urban areas, this is the high end of middle class McCamy Taylor Dec 2015 #97

LOL at the people who think that the mathematical middle is subject to debate. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #103

How Much the Middle Class Makes � in the Bay Area and 28 U.S. Cities Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #104

Your own chart says that $171k/year is top 25% percent in San Francisco. Try again. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #109

In 2013. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #115

Why did *you* offer the chart if it utterly invalidated your position, then? nt Romulox Dec 2015 #117

I explained in my opening. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #120

It's not middle class, as your chart demonstrates. What point you thought you were making... Romulox Dec 2015 #125

The same point several others are making in this thread. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #127

The "poor little rich folk" argument. It's a bad one. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #130

No - but it's a clever demarcation point whatthehey Dec 2015 #105

Bingo anigbrowl Dec 2015 #156

you explained that well questionseverything Dec 2015 #162

Wow - I'm a peasant and I didn't even know it. Vinca Dec 2015 #107

Fuzzy Math shadowmayor Dec 2015 #124

which is in itself fuzzy math whatthehey Dec 2015 #137

Full time shadowmayor Dec 2015 #148

Yes - for a reeason whatthehey Dec 2015 #195

If I made 250k a year PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #140

I guess Bernie Sanders disagrees with you... brooklynite Dec 2015 #146

They don't care. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #180

It's the "upper end" of middle class, particularly with a two income family in large cities. MADem Dec 2015 #154

Just proves that Hillary is clueless as a republican when it comes to income inequality Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #167

Uh, yes it is. In many large cities... MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #170

Wow, it appears a great many well off people post here Dragonfli Dec 2015 #177

250k? tazkcmo Dec 2015 #178

Huge K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #185

Median income has never defined middle class. The true Middle Class is the professional class and Todays_Illusion Dec 2015 #187

Good post. wildeyed Dec 2015 #257

It's the same threshold Obama used BainsBane Dec 2015 #191

There is a schism in the party My Good Babushka Dec 2015 #192

+1 demmiblue Dec 2015 #194

So sad, but horribly true harun Dec 2015 #200

Sure, let's go ahead and declare upper-middle class folks the enemy too.... Adrahil Dec 2015 #262

If you don't hold your party accountable for its legislation My Good Babushka Dec 2015 #263

If you live in a major population center, especially the East Coast, like Boston, NY, Philly, DC. harun Dec 2015 #199

Actually, it kinda is. What people are calling "middle class" these days is simply tblue37 Dec 2015 #207

^^Must Read^^ Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #210

Thanks. nt tblue37 Dec 2015 #211

This is exactly the point I was making upthread. MADem Dec 2015 #214

Unless you show income distribution in the pertinent years you compare, this means nothing. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #218

Income distribution is not relevant to the argument. whathehell Dec 2015 #259

Of course it isn't. Because it invalidates the entire post. LOL. nt Romulox Dec 2015 #267

In light of these statistics, My Good Babushka Dec 2015 #244

Yet we still have tons of people who still don't understand samplegirl Dec 2015 #212

250k is the top 2% in my county madville Dec 2015 #246

upper middle, especially in some areas for the country. Nice income, if spent wisely. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #255