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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: O’Malley: Sanders fine with 'rigged' Dem debates [View all]DemocratSinceBirth
(101,930 posts)92. Your words
Your words:
I trust Nate Silver. CBS uses the same methods as Selzer.
-Coffee Cat
-Coffee Cat
Bloomberg/Selzer methodology
Methodology
Dec 12 (Bloomberg) The Iowa Poll, conducted December 7-10 for Bloomberg Politics and The Des Moines Register
by Selzer & Co. of Des Moines, is based on telephone interviews with 400 registered Iowa voters who say they definitely
or probably will attend the 2016 Republican caucuses and 404 registered voters who say they definitely or probably will
attend the 2016 Democratic caucuses.
Interviewers contacted 2,635 randomly selected active voters from the Iowa secretary of states voter registration list by
telephone. Responses were adjusted by age, sex, and congressional district to reflect all active voters in the voter
registration list.
Questions based on the subsamples of 404 likely Democratic caucus attendees or 400 likely Republican caucus attendees
each have a maximum margin of error of plus or minus 4.9 percentage points. This means that if this survey were
repeated using the same questions and the same methodology, 19 times out of 20, the findings would not vary from the
percentages shown here by more than plus or minus 4.9 percentage points. Results based on smaller samples of
respondentssuch as by gender or agehave a larger margin of error.
Republishing the copyright Iowa Poll without credit to Bloomberg Politics and The Des Moines Register is prohibited
http://media.bloomberg.com/bb/avfile/r64LeSt1xPPk
Methodology
Dec 12 (Bloomberg) The Iowa Poll, conducted December 7-10 for Bloomberg Politics and The Des Moines Register
by Selzer & Co. of Des Moines, is based on telephone interviews with 400 registered Iowa voters who say they definitely
or probably will attend the 2016 Republican caucuses and 404 registered voters who say they definitely or probably will
attend the 2016 Democratic caucuses.
Interviewers contacted 2,635 randomly selected active voters from the Iowa secretary of states voter registration list by
telephone. Responses were adjusted by age, sex, and congressional district to reflect all active voters in the voter
registration list.
Questions based on the subsamples of 404 likely Democratic caucus attendees or 400 likely Republican caucus attendees
each have a maximum margin of error of plus or minus 4.9 percentage points. This means that if this survey were
repeated using the same questions and the same methodology, 19 times out of 20, the findings would not vary from the
percentages shown here by more than plus or minus 4.9 percentage points. Results based on smaller samples of
respondentssuch as by gender or agehave a larger margin of error.
Republishing the copyright Iowa Poll without credit to Bloomberg Politics and The Des Moines Register is prohibited
http://media.bloomberg.com/bb/avfile/r64LeSt1xPPk
CBS/YougGov Methodology
The CBS News 2016 Battleground Tracker is a panel study based on interviews conducted on the internet of registered voters in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina. The poll was conducted by YouGov, an online polling organization.
The first wave was fielded between September 3-10, 2015, with 4,860 respondents, and the second wave fieldwork was completed between October 15-22, 2015, with 3,952 respondents and the third wave between November 15-19, 2015. The fourth wave was fielded between December 13-17, 2015. The majority of the 2nd-4th wave respondents are recontacted panelists. Respondents were selected from YouGovs and two other online panels. These are opt-in panels which are open for anyone to join. However, YouGov also randomly selected persons from voter registration lists who had previously voted in primary elections and contacted them by phone.
https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/09/13/methodology-2016-cbs-news-battleground-tracker/
Your words, again:
I think aggregate polling is fine for national poll
and polls in states where primaries aren't imminent.
When you've got a state that is in complete flux, because the campaigns are in 4th gear--with incessant television ads, multiple rallies happening daily, nonstop media coverage, phone calling and canvassing campaigns--and the media camped out and covering politics 24/7--then aggregate polling is outdated.
-Coffee Cat
The Selzer Poll you are hanging your hat on is three weeks old.
http://media.bloomberg.com/bb/avfile/r64LeSt1xPPk
Two questions:
Does CBS/You Gov use the same methodology as Selzer as you claimed or do they not?
(and)
How can a three week old poll still be accurate in a race "that is in complete flux" as you claimed?
Thank you in advance.

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The rules are that any Dem candidate who debated outside of the schedule would be barred from
djean111
Dec 2015
#1
Today is 'Bernie is the status quo' which alternates with 'Bernie is not enough of a Democrat'
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2015
#25
Well, he did agree to the DNC rules about debates. So did O'Malley. So did Clinton.
MADem
Dec 2015
#51
Yep. All this whining about him following the rules is beyond ridiculous.
Hassin Bin Sober
Dec 2015
#87
Yup. Just a typo. I am more of a Democrat than, say, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.
djean111
Dec 2015
#90
Perhaps things changed once the debates started. So far the DNC debates have been
Thinkingabout
Dec 2015
#53
I'm not "upset" at all. I'm a bit surprised that you are going to a confrontational and disruptive
MADem
Dec 2015
#72
You accused me of making "unsubstantiated claims." They weren't unsubstantiated at all.
MADem
Dec 2015
#81
Serious question: What makes you think the unnamed people were Sanders staffers?
Vattel
Dec 2015
#93
I wish I had your confidence in her, but I judge a candidate mostly by her record.
Vattel
Jan 2016
#136
She has done a superb job of carrying out POTUS's foreign policy vision, and advising him
MADem
Jan 2016
#138
Yeah, she had the skills necessary to support the invasion of Iraq. I am dazzled.
Vattel
Jan 2016
#165
And I am sure that is pleasing to you, as is the spate of OPs about this right here.
djean111
Dec 2015
#11
Funny, in the last debate when O'Malley had an opportunity to join Bernie in discussing
Dustlawyer
Dec 2015
#12
Hard to say for sure. I would speculate that in the debate he chose to appear
Dustlawyer
Dec 2015
#19
It really makes me wonder just what O'Malley was trying to do here with Bernie.
stillwaiting
Dec 2015
#43
Hell, when you're talking about Clinton, there's no point in alerting--the eighty percent of Sanders
MADem
Dec 2015
#105
Not all Bernie supporters are bad and not all Hillary supporters are angels.
Dustlawyer
Dec 2015
#22
When you fail to acknowledge the truth about your own candidate, and constantly attack
Dustlawyer
Dec 2015
#28
You nailed it. Look at the number of times in the debate where Sanders agreed with HRC and O'Malley
FSogol
Dec 2015
#32
All things considered, especially how Hillary's poll numbers rise after each debate ...
NurseJackie
Dec 2015
#24
Now now, you're only citing the official, and scientific polls... the ones with established history.
Amimnoch
Dec 2015
#29
Obama had a three point lead in IA at this point in 08. Sanders has a 13 point deficit.
DemocratSinceBirth
Dec 2015
#44
That IS a fair point, and is similar to the comments by Howard Dean on the subject.
MADem
Dec 2015
#48
So, Sanders can demand more debates publicly--then staff later says he does not mean it. ha hs.
riversedge
Dec 2015
#73
He gets his base all riled up but what must they think of him now?? For weeks he
riversedge
Dec 2015
#78
You'd think there'd be some blowback from the BS campaign if there was any "lying" in that
MADem
Jan 2016
#148
I think the source was telling the simple truth--those debates are NOT his strength.
MADem
Jan 2016
#151
What tripe? It appears that O'Malley is making a play to raise the debate issue. That's the topic.
MADem
Dec 2015
#99
Well, to be fair to ALCON, it's not like these candidates were unaware of the debate schedule before
MADem
Dec 2015
#114
O'Malley. Trying so hard to be relevant and Hillary supporters jumping on his Bad Bernie
Autumn
Dec 2015
#104
There's no "Bad Bernie Bandwagon." There's a "Gee, Bernie Let His Supporters Say One Thing,
MADem
Dec 2015
#106
Given that BS has (carefully) said very little on the subject, it's hard to know what to "trust."
MADem
Dec 2015
#128