2016 Postmortem

Indepatriot

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8. Progressive?

Fri Jan 1, 2016, 11:41 PM

Jan 2016

Do "Progressives" take millions from Wall Street billionaires and ask us to believe they'll regulate them?
Do "Progressives" make a calculated vote of political expediency in favor of a war that kills 100,000 or so innocents?
Do "Progressives" support trade deals that put Americans out of work?
Do "Progressives" support discrimination against Gay and Lesbian Americans until it becomes politically expedient?
Do "Progressives" not support re-instating a law that for 60 years prevented banksters from crashing our economy? (Glass Steagal)
Do "Progressives" scoff at Single Payer health care and call it "unrealistic"?
Do "Progressives" NOT support free education for all?

Hillary is many things, but certainly NOT a "Progressive"....

Not by any realistic definition.

Compared to the GOP, yes, but not by any historical definition.

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We the supporters of Bernie Sanders ARE NOT FRINGE. [View all] sonofspy777 Jan 2016 OP

Bernism is mainstream and what people want Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #1

Clinton 57 - Sanders 31 brooklynite Jan 2016 #9

Polls Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #11

this is the year of marginalizing and emasculation. Trump emasculates his oponents by saying roguevalley Jan 2016 #38

Interesting analysis - almost something archetypal at play, maybe? I have KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #84

I agree. His narcissism allows only one 'great' man in the room at a time. roguevalley Jan 2016 #95

Yeah but when the poll favor Bernie ronnykmarshall Jan 2016 #140

of course dlwickham Jan 2016 #151

I don't like the condescending tone of the OP -- But it makes a very valid point Armstead Jan 2016 #172

National polls that mean absolutely nothing CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #13

Truly astounding... brooklynite Jan 2016 #17

I look at many different aspects of this race CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #19

Yeah... kenfrequed Jan 2016 #108

You are boring. 840high Jan 2016 #16

Reality frequently is boring...fantasy is much more exciting. brooklynite Jan 2016 #65

The constant polls posted by 840high Jan 2016 #139

Nothing like a directly personal attack. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #72

And you are,.. reACTIONary Jan 2016 #115

I'm not here to 840high Jan 2016 #138

You should get out more... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #40

You know what got attention the brilliant...anti-Trump skywriting.... Historic NY Jan 2016 #77

So a third is "fringe?" Scootaloo Jan 2016 #41

Really? Samuel J.? Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #111

That has nothing to do with the OP. cui bono Jan 2016 #56

"We will win the primaries and the GE, because after we win the caucuses and the NH primary..." brooklynite Jan 2016 #64

People also agree with... reACTIONary Jan 2016 #117

Not really. In reality they are much more supportive of Bernie. cui bono Jan 2016 #119

Clinton 57 - Sanders 31 reACTIONary Jan 2016 #129

The polls don't tell the whole story. cui bono Jan 2016 #159

Oh yes, the only people who vote.... reACTIONary Jan 2016 #163

Do you think it's funny that big money is able to control our government through campaign Dustlawyer Jan 2016 #83

So why do some side with the powerful 1%? Is it the worship of wealth? or worship of rhett o rick Jan 2016 #136

Which poll is this?? I haven't seen him anywhere near 31% in months. Number23 Jan 2016 #143

IF those numbers are truth Plucketeer Jan 2016 #150

When you post things like this post the link also. Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #168

Hahahahahahahahahaha... LS_Editor Jan 2016 #175

Maximize The ANTI Corporatist/Oligarchy Vote! K and R! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #10

Bernie IS mainstream Hillary and the Republicans are not Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #87

Who wont say yes to free stuff BlueStateLib Jan 2016 #109

Wow. This doesn't seem like the right site for you. cui bono Jan 2016 #112

It is? ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2016 #123

Do you really doubt that any of Bernie's policies nyabingi Jan 2016 #144

Lots of things can happen ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2016 #153

How do we pay for war? Lordquinton Jan 2016 #148

Yes. It is. cui bono Jan 2016 #158

Well, if you say so.. ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2016 #169

Democrats don't say "free stuff". Where did you get your talking points? Enthusiast Jan 2016 #126

Spoken like a true Republican nyabingi Jan 2016 #142

You mean FREE STUFF.........like this? Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #166

Free stuff? Trajan Jan 2016 #180

Yes Bernie is Mainstream Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #167

The truth is the new fringe! AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #2

I've been a registered Democrat since then as well redstateblues Jan 2016 #2

Progressive? Indepatriot Jan 2016 #8

Hillary herself said several months ago that she is a moderate -- not a Akamai Jan 2016 #27

One day Sanders will be called upon... JohnnyRingo Jan 2016 #105

That's odd, because I haven't heard a single Sanders supporter claim anything of the sort. Indepatriot Jan 2016 #113

I was referring mainly to the items listed in the OP JohnnyRingo Jan 2016 #132

So we should go with the "insider" then, rather than making a stand for democracy? Indepatriot Jan 2016 #156

I "did something" back in '72 JohnnyRingo Jan 2016 #157

Feel free then, to let your fear make you vote for the Wall Street War Monger, Tuzla Annie..... Indepatriot Jan 2016 #160

Thank you JohnnyRingo Jan 2016 #170

I don't see Hillary ever even trying to enact the change the people want, so why not pick Bernie? cui bono Jan 2016 #120

If your question is do progresives.. reACTIONary Jan 2016 #118

My question was "by what measure is Hillary Clinton a "progressive"? Indepatriot Jan 2016 #124

Question for Hillary supporters INdemo Jan 2016 #130

And here we are being told that progresive values.... reACTIONary Jan 2016 #134

You didnt answer the question INdemo Jan 2016 #135

My response is to the article you attached . ... reACTIONary Jan 2016 #147

Thats nonsense INdemo Jan 2016 #152

If I remember correctly.... reACTIONary Jan 2016 #133

I don't believe Mr. Rosevelt is currently seeking the nomination, so it's a moot point... Indepatriot Jan 2016 #155

It's not mote if you list.... reACTIONary Jan 2016 #162

Ideologically pure? CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #15

Who in the world cares what people who live in red states think of our Democratic candidates. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #45

News flash. All states count in the primaries redstateblues Jan 2016 #90

Bernie, Baggage? rynestonecowboy Jan 2016 #149

Same here. Skidmore Jan 2016 #60

The word "progressive" and Hillary Clinton nyabingi Jan 2016 #146

"These young Clinton supporters here have no idea what a Democrat is" Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #4

As I said sonofspy777 Jan 2016 #12

Out of curiosity ismnotwasm Jan 2016 #29

Bernie isn't a Democrat. He has never had the stomach for the hard work of working inside KittyWampus Jan 2016 #73

Bernie was too busy organizing with SNCC (rather than supporting Barry "Nuke 'am all" Goldwater) - n KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #85

The last Democrat we had for president was Jimmy Carter. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2016 #37

**********^^^THIS^^^********** MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #43

Thank you, MMM!!! Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2016 #48

Your parents remind me of a version of my parents... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #52

Dad told me another important principle of elections: Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2016 #49

"It's the economy, stupid"... was the ploy... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #53

Yep. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2016 #54

Right. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #51

Interestingly, Carter was not liked by the BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #63

I was a Teddy Kennedy delegate to my state convention in 1980. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2016 #98

As pointed out, Carter was not at all the candidate of the far-Left or Progressives. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #74

True, Bernie was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth, as was FDR. That FDR managed to KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #86

Bernie is not remotely like FDR or Obama he's Bernie not the second coming of anyone FloridaBlues Jan 2016 #94

Plus one to the absolute Max! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #127

True that Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #165

K&R. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #5

Thank you dflprincess Jan 2016 #6

Too many of us are afraid to vote our true beliefs, we are all told to "strategize." reformist2 Jan 2016 #7

What utter horse pucky Sheepshank Jan 2016 #14

Baaaaaa! AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #18

You should stop bleating and come back to reality. nt stevenleser Jan 2016 #22

Um, er.... AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #23

After your 180 from 8 years ago, I really don't Fawke Em Jan 2016 #32

I am a Democrat you do not define me upaloopa Jan 2016 #20

The definition makes sense though. How do you not see it? Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #26

Kicked for truth Populist_Prole Jan 2016 #21

I like seeing the HRC followers' replies here so I can know who to add to my ignore list Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #24

HRC is replying on DU? LOL! KittyWampus Jan 2016 #75

Easily correctible grammatical error Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #82

It has come in handy! Duval Jan 2016 #101

I never would have thought... Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #107

Nope, 30% of 40% is just 12% of the population. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #25

+1000 redstateblues Jan 2016 #88

12% is enough to make HRC lose the election, so maybe don't write us off as fringe. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #154

You think you can tell Clinton supporters that they've never seen a real Democrat. pnwmom Jan 2016 #28

That's the pot calling the kettle black. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #34

I've never told a Bernie supporter that they've never seen a "real Democrat." pnwmom Jan 2016 #42

Uhm... kenfrequed Jan 2016 #110

What are these?? "multi-daily loyalty oath threads"? riversedge Jan 2016 #79

And yet Sanders has a 7% of being the nominee according to Nate Silver and Predictwise Gothmog Jan 2016 #30

A betting aggregate site isn't a crystal ball. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #33

If you bet on Jeb! you would be making some money Gothmog Jan 2016 #69

I'm not disagreeing with you, Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2016 #31

What a thoroughly silly post. okasha Jan 2016 #35

I assure you that it's your response that is thoughtless and inane. nt stillwaiting Jan 2016 #67

What a thoroughly silly post. okasha Jan 2016 #96

I love you too. I REALLY do. May we both get that which we deserve. nt stillwaiting Jan 2016 #97

Don't worry. okasha Jan 2016 #114

I guess being issue oriented is what they mean by "fringe." Being in line with the Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #36

Like I have said before. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2016 #131

Remember, HRC fans are still bitter that Obama beat them running a better campaign Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #39

Wrong. Most of the Obama supporters I know are Hillary supporters this time. pnwmom Jan 2016 #44

That's nice 2008 was a different story Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #46

I haven't forgotten them Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #47

Like many Dems, I liked all 3 candidates but ended up as an Obama supporter. pnwmom Jan 2016 #50

Those Obama supporters from 08 that support Hillary this time talk just as bad Autumn Jan 2016 #70

You sure went to a lot of work finding links that don't support your point. pnwmom Jan 2016 #100

Oh those links very well support my point,and it was no trouble at all. Autumn Jan 2016 #103

Same for me. I was fired up for Obama redstateblues Jan 2016 #91

Wrong, feeling, I am not bitter, nor was I ever. Nitram Jan 2016 #106

Bernie Or Hillary The "Real Democrat" Let's See Yallow Jan 2016 #55

K&R nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #57

K and effing R Scuba Jan 2016 #58

"young Clinton supporters" - now there is a really small group! Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #59

Truth is true. 99Forever Jan 2016 #61

Somone doth protest too much, methinks. baldguy Jan 2016 #62

Never stop thinking. You might get it eventually. nt stillwaiting Jan 2016 #68

Clearly Bernie has connected with a significant number of Democrats. DCBob Jan 2016 #66

#1. Plenty of progressives/liberals support a candidate other than Sanders. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #71

I love it when people backing the Socialist redstateblues Jan 2016 #92

I always thought the real Democrats were the ones who comradebillyboy Jan 2016 #93

It all depends on viewpoint. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #76

That's correct. fredamae Jan 2016 #78

The expectations of Sanders supporters are Fringe and unrealistic uponit7771 Jan 2016 #80

I agree Bernie supporters aren't fringe FloridaBlues Jan 2016 #81

you know what they say about opinions . . . everyone has one DrDan Jan 2016 #89

I know you are, but what am I? nt firebrand80 Jan 2016 #99

K&R. Duval Jan 2016 #102

If you're not on the fringes of the Democratic party.... JohnnyRingo Jan 2016 #104

I'm hoping he, or someone, answers this. BKH70041 Jan 2016 #122

What a marvelous post! Indydem Jan 2016 #141

It's really obvious that the lack of answer actually IS the answer Number23 Jan 2016 #145

The reason you do not see them is you are too busy trying to knock down whoever is front of you nolabels Jan 2016 #161

Marxist, Communist - anarcist - But I don't see how someone who issue by Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #164

That's just a bit misleading. JohnnyRingo Jan 2016 #171

I will support the nominee of the Democratic Party and all polling on the matter Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #173

Your implication that Bernie is in the most extreme 'left' is incorrect Trajan Jan 2016 #178

If Bernie isn't on the extreme end of the spectrum... JohnnyRingo Jan 2016 #181

yeah, who started that Sanders logo with the hair fringe thingie? I liked the Burn logo better. Sunlei Jan 2016 #116

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #121

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #125

correct wendylaroux Jan 2016 #128

K&R!!!! Phlem Jan 2016 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2016 #174

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #176

True Democrats were always wendylaroux Jan 2016 #177

Oh good grief! leftofcool Jan 2016 #179