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2016 Postmortem

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Tom Rinaldo

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Sat Jan 2, 2016, 05:34 PM Jan 2016

In 2008 I was a Clinton supporter throughout most of the primary season [View all]

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Some of you here probably remember that. I shifted my support to Obama late, after he won the Oregon primary and it became clear to me that Hillary had no real chance left of winning the nomination. I thought then that the time for unity had come. Clearly we have not yet reached that point during this cycle, but yes that time will arrive soon enough.

Hillary Clinton wasn't my first choice for the Democratic nomination in 2008, actually she was my 4th. Earlier I held out hopes of either Clark, Feingold, or Gore running but of course none of them did. Then I briefly backed Joe Biden before it became clear to me that his candidacy that year wasn't viable. Barack Obama was my 5th choice, but not far behind Clinton in my overall rankings. I saw some societal good in America electing either our first female or first black president. I saw the Obama and Clinton overall platforms as pretty darn similar. Each of course had some pros and cons, but I gave the edge to Hillary because I believed she was better prepared to confront and deal with strident Republican opposition than Obama was at the time.

I didn't buy into the argument that Republicans would fight harder against their old foe Hillary Clinton than they would against a man who proclaimed that there wasn't a red or blue America, just one America. In a fundamental way of course Barack was right, but politically I just wasn't buying it. I was under no illusions about the differences between our two major parties. I knew that we would be much worse off as a nation if any Republican nominee went on to win the White House rather than a Democratic one.

I know that many of Barack Obama's most fervent supporters viewed his possible election as a potentially transformative event. Aside from America finally integrating the presidency, I didn't. The reason why I didn't was soon on display as our President negotiated in good faith with John Boehner over what was being billed as a historic budget Grand Bargain - which IMO we were fortunate that the Republican Right balked at signing off on.

My support first for Hillary Clinton, and later for Barack Obama, was essentially pragmatic. That doesn't mean though that I thought ill of either person, actually I admired both of them. Nor does it mean that I was unappreciative of the good things I knew both of them would sincerely strive to accomplish as President, neither am I unappreciative now of the many good things that President Obama has in fact already accomplished as President. In the big picture I saw both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama as status quo politicians. Having said that let me explain that I do not see the status quo as a single undifferentiated mass with no discernible differences between those who seek to represent it. The status quo in my mind isn't a specific set of policies or a particular political platform. It is more of an intrinsic agreement about the size and slope of the playing field that politics is played on - on where the in and out of bound lines get drawn on that field rather than which side of it a particular team lines up on.

Winning or losing the political game as we know it has real consequences. It determines which human being ultimately gets to make the final call on whether to invade another country for example. It determines who gets to select the Supreme Court Judges who decide whether unlimited campaign donations from an individual donor are a form of protected free speech or, in the case of the 2000 Presidential Elections, who gets to take the oath of office to sit inside the oval office. All status quo choices are not equal, many flow from good intentions and often do some good, many have more selfish intentions and end up harmful to the interests of most average Americans. What all status quo choices have in common though is that none of them fundamentally challenge the basic status quo.

I believe that Hillary Clinton is the current benign face of the status quo - and I do not say that in any way as an insult. I like Hillary Clinton. I supported her before and I can support her again. When she horse trades on the political market I believe she keeps our interests in mind, which is not what I would say about virtually any of the leaders in today's Republican Party. She horse trades in the designated trading areas with formally recognized traders using officially accepted forms of currency with values determined by the central societal bank of the establishment. Standing on that playing field, playing by those rules, there are few as effective as Hillary Clinton is at racking up some points for our side. If the status quo can't be fundamentally changed than I want someone like Hillary Clinton fighting for our team.

But it is the status quo itself that is harming most Americans. Millions of us have been cornered by it with our backs against the wall, while millions more fall toward us threatening to crush us all under the collective weight of suffering. In 2008 I was voting to buy us a little time while we searched for the means to fundamentally alter a status quo stacked against us. In November I will do the same if I have no better choice. Right now though I do, in the candidacy of Bernie Sanders. This is the chance that I have been waiting for. I will back a reformer if the only alternative is deeper oppression. I will first choose a revolutionary though committed to bringing deep and essential substantive change. Bernie Sanders has spent a long life time preparing for this very moment. He could not be clearer on what must be done, and I can not be clearer that he is the man best prepared for the challenge in front of him, in front of all of us, in challenging the status quo .

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Welcome to the Side of the Light, Tom! Proserpina Jan 2016 #1
I have supported Sanders all along Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #5
I remember you supporting hillary. Welcome. Very good post. roguevalley Jan 2016 #13
Apparently, Foreign Policy and war or peace doesn't weigh too prominently in your calculus leveymg Jan 2016 #2
There are reasons why they were not among my top four choices in 2008 Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #8
Happy to have you join us! People power! nt nc4bo Jan 2016 #3
Well said. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #4
Well said. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #6
Well said. We NEED Bernie. And he will bring voters out on election day. cui bono Jan 2016 #7
Seeing what you have shown Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #22
Great post jkbRN Jan 2016 #9
I was too. Switched support to Obama later. Triana Jan 2016 #10
Exactly how I feel. Funtatlaguy Jan 2016 #17
Even though we don't agree on the candidates, I have to K&R this. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #11
Thank you. Your words are greatly appreciated. n/t Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #12
Well stated. Well thought out. Appreciated. TryLogic Jan 2016 #14
As your post points out, the time will indeed soon come for unity. silvershadow Jan 2016 #15
Very well reasoned post, Tom. I agree. Duval Jan 2016 #16
Good post. Iggo Jan 2016 #18
Marvelous post! nt tblue37 Jan 2016 #19
Bravo! Paka Jan 2016 #20
smart reasoning Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #21
Tom, I respect what you say...since you are a long time Dem and DU'er.... KoKo Jan 2016 #23
We can I think find agreement in hoping for this I think... Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #24
I understand your caution and was on that side of view.... KoKo Jan 2016 #25
I see a lot of what you are saying also Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #28
.! KoKo Jan 2016 #49
What? MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #36
Status quo-- indeed. Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #26
excellent post. thank you Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #27
Since I do not prefer to remain in the twentieth century l want a Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #29
Believing in her leadership ability is a solid reason for supporting Hillary Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #31
re: "ability to make decisions based on the information currently available" thesquanderer Jan 2016 #50
You have to look at the bad decisions of Sanders also, staying in the twentieth century is Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #51
no one is perfect, but I think you overstate the other side thesquanderer Jan 2016 #53
When Hillary ran for president in 2008 I started researching her background as I did with Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #54
I don't understand the relevance of your post thesquanderer Jan 2016 #55
I stated I researched the candidates who entered races, I sought information on the Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #56
Those questions were responses to your criticisms of Bernie's "bad decisions" thesquanderer Jan 2016 #60
Did you watch the last debate? Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #61
If you're going to put these forward as bad decisions on his part thesquanderer Jan 2016 #62
Can I assume you understand the ILA. There are Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #63
Yes, once you spelled out the acronym, I knew what ILA was. thesquanderer Jan 2016 #64
This was a point Sanders brought out in the debate about Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #67
Medicare, etc. thesquanderer Jan 2016 #69
I meant to say medical cost, it needs to go down and then medicare Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #70
Got it. thesquanderer Jan 2016 #71
Most harm comes from the complacent left who expect one PERSON shows. They want FDR... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #30
I agree Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #32
Obama has to lead a movement and be president at the same time!? REALLY!?!! This is what uponit7771 Jan 2016 #33
It's not the "complacent left"...That's facile and inaccurate Armstead Jan 2016 #66
Oh yes it is the complacent left who are wanting FDR actions without getting an FDR congress... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #72
Not surprisingly, you missed or ignored my point Armstead Jan 2016 #75
I fundamentally disagree with you Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #76
The left didn't "carry its weight", FDR had an 80% congress... the job wasn't finished in 2010 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #79
Sanders supported the Affordable Care Act... Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #80
Were not just talking about the ACA and we both know that, out of the 21n342n trillion things Obama uponit7771 Jan 2016 #81
I appreciate your pointing out that social change is not confined to winning elections Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #78
Sorry but I don't see people unifying behind a corporate Democrat. n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #34
Excellent post, Tom BernTheRich Jan 2016 #35
He's that very rare combination of a decent human being in politics... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #37
That is one of the most thoughtful posts I have ever read here. SheilaT Jan 2016 #38
An excellent read. blackspade Jan 2016 #39
K&R. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #40
My thought process is pretty much on par with yours. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2016 #41
I'm on board with you and Tom eridani Jan 2016 #42
The one part that stood out more than anything for me was davidpdx Jan 2016 #43
Your second point on the status quo about the Democratic Party needing to stop the revolving door DhhD Jan 2016 #47
Eloquent and positive. Please post more Ops like this one. eom Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #44
Thank you all for your responses and feedback Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #45
K&R nt raouldukelives Jan 2016 #46
Kick!!! Faux pas Jan 2016 #48
Thanks for your eloquent post. archiemo Jan 2016 #52
In 2008, I switched from Clinton to Obama as well... brooklynite Jan 2016 #57
i like this tune much better than... SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #58
What tune is that? brooklynite Jan 2016 #59
As usual you hit the nail on the head..We have narowed the field of possibility Armstead Jan 2016 #65
Something aboout Hillary often brings out the pragmatic in me, I admit it. Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #68
NAIL Hits HEAD! This Is What It Is! ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #74
Fantastic Post! Just Gonna Give It A Huge Kick, And ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #73
k&r polichick Jan 2016 #77
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