2016 Postmortem

rhett o rick

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215. Maybe the reason that Sen Sanders supporters are so enthusiastic is because they've been

Sat Jan 2, 2016, 05:47 PM

Jan 2016

treated with contempt for a long time. The Oligarchy bought our Party's leadership and we will have to fight to get it back.

It's not a threat to point out that lots of Democratic voters are unwilling to support H. Clinton and big money politics. That's a fact. And if the Party leadership doesn't heed that fact, we will lose the Gen. Then they will look around for someone to blame, like Nader. I suggest that the Conservative Democratic leadership look in the fracking mirror. The election is theirs to lose.

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Since the late 80s the party's policy has been to shut out the left until election time. [View all] madfloridian Jan 2016 OP

Just to be clear... madfloridian Jan 2016 #1

Thanks for posting this Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #4

Agreed. And they think we should just accept their way of jwirr Jan 2016 #7

indeed, the insults, condescension and abuse from some of Hillary's most Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #49

Thank goodness the other Democratic candidates supporters on DU do not still_one Jan 2016 #181

oh it happens, But - not nearly as much Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #200

K&R. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #55

I always voted out of duty and volunteered with pride. But, something has changed leveymg Jan 2016 #116

I feel and live your pain. lark Jan 2016 #162

If the left wants to have influence in the Party, there's a simple solution... brooklynite Jan 2016 #2

Well, wait till I dig up the old posts about how the party kept liberals out of races... madfloridian Jan 2016 #3

Being a one note pony here lark Jan 2016 #163

madfloridian - looking forward to the backup annd history Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #168

Rahm Emanuel's DCCC was a big factor in putting us in such a bad position in the house in 2010... cascadiance Jan 2016 #191

So frigging true! kenfrequed Jan 2016 #205

Haven't been following the Left over the past few years have you? We have found and elected many sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #5

Well said. madfloridian Jan 2016 #8

You're in Florida I think. Thanks to DWS it was difficult in that state to get anything accomplished sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #13

Thank you. Good post. 840high Jan 2016 #111

As I Read This... I thought... Geez This Sounds Like Florida... Then I Saw Who Posted It... CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #221

Remind me who won in 2012 when DWS was Chair...and how many House/Senate seats we picked up? brooklynite Jan 2016 #10

Obama was an incumbent. 3 guesses who controls House/Senate...1st two don't count. madfloridian Jan 2016 #11

Under DWS Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate Scuba Jan 2016 #89

Point Scuba. DWS has been a disaster for the Party - Unless you're a Corporatist Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #169

Progressives retained their seats, except one I believe. Thanks for noticing. WE did that, not DWS sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #114

GREAT POST "sabrina 1" AND I Stand With You! I've Called Many ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #73

Maybe the good liberal Dr Oz should run? Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2016 #93

His name is Bernie Sanders farleftlib Jan 2016 #6

And we are fighting back! eom Duval Jan 2016 #19

Yep, exactly. What the people want doesn't matter, it's all about the $$$$'s. I quit my membership RKP5637 Jan 2016 #29

Marginalize him? How long has he been "in" the Democratic Party? George II Jan 2016 #33

What does it matter? farleftlib Jan 2016 #34

You missed my point - 40 or more years he did spoke down to the Democratic Party.... George II Jan 2016 #35

How laughable farleftlib Jan 2016 #37

He hasn't earned any respect from them while voting with them? Makes no sense. madfloridian Jan 2016 #39

Respect is earned by actions...... daleanime Jan 2016 #79

Yes, respect is earned by actions, which only agrees with what I've said. George II Jan 2016 #97

Except that you ignore his actions and make up stuff to suit your narrative. cui bono Jan 2016 #132

It's funny nyabingi Jan 2016 #166

Except, perhaps, when they... reACTIONary Jan 2016 #179

Oh, wait now. He would not vote WITH a party he despised. Also...to be clear... madfloridian Jan 2016 #36

First of all, a legislator doesn't vote "with" a party, he/she votes for or against legislation..... George II Jan 2016 #94

Oh my I would never have known they vote for or against legislation. madfloridian Jan 2016 #100

*snort* nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #137

And how many times did the likes of Ben Nelson vote against the party when they were in Congress? nxylas Jan 2016 #156

So you would rather he NOT run as a Democrat? LiberalLovinLug Jan 2016 #203

True kenfrequed Jan 2016 #207

The people...except those who want Hillary, right? Drunken Irishman Jan 2016 #78

I'm glad you put "people" in scare quotes . ... reACTIONary Jan 2016 #177

There's another solution. Bonobo Jan 2016 #14

But more ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #72

Most of the people who show up for such work ARE progressives. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #121

That has NOT been my experience ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #122

Out of interest, which neck of which woods is yours? Ken Burch Jan 2016 #123

Arizona ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #124

Again, not my experience(I've worked in Dem politics in Oregon and Alaska). Ken Burch Jan 2016 #125

Lost me at ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #126

There was a typo in that graph on my part Ken Burch Jan 2016 #130

Raul Grijalva was elected through the hard work of the Democratic machinery, i.e., the "centrists".. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #150

I worked with the Florida Democratic party for several years. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #139

It would seem that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #157

Exactly kenfrequed Jan 2016 #208

I vote for a progressive Democrat for the House, and Barbara Boxer, also progressive for the . JDPriestly Jan 2016 #131

That is the main problem with the corporate Democrats nyabingi Jan 2016 #164

Exactly treestar Jan 2016 #180

In other words sell your souls to the Wealthy 1%. Drink the kool-aide and let them continue to rule rhett o rick Jan 2016 #213

I thought for sure you'd say, "Sell your souls to the Oligarchy. Take money from the billionaires rhett o rick Jan 2016 #211

Rec & Kick. Good post. MerryBlooms Jan 2016 #9

They think that we have nowhere else to go. Autumn Jan 2016 #12

This cycle, we're their worst nightmare. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #140

But, they're very fond of blaming the left when the "not as bad" candidates lose. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #15

Yep, noticed that. madfloridian Jan 2016 #18

Some Rahm shenanigans in Florida to shut out the liberals. Shameful. madfloridian Jan 2016 #16

Need to know this! Thanks for the post. eom Duval Jan 2016 #17

We've had enough of these third wayers destroying the party and country jfern Jan 2016 #20

We're seeing a fundamental shift in global politics DAngelo136 Jan 2016 #21

Great post! Welcome to DU! in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #27

Nice post. Some very good points made. madfloridian Jan 2016 #28

yeah, after 1991 the neolibs took over and, in the US, ran off a bunch of bubbles--telecom, MisterP Jan 2016 #92

wow. sonofspy777 Jan 2016 #117

...! KoKo Jan 2016 #206

K and fucking R!!! - The party's so-called "Big Tent" habitually shoos-off Lefties 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #22

Not voting for Clinton - ish of the hammer Jan 2016 #23

Saving for later... kjones Jan 2016 #77

Saving for what? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #80

Oops, the OP, I mean. kjones Jan 2016 #98

Yeah, well in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #24

I'm close to going "Bern or let it burn!" They may get me to vote for Hillary if she's the nominee, brewens Jan 2016 #44

I wouldn't trust her SCOTUS picks either farleftlib Jan 2016 #47

Lol kjones Jan 2016 #81

I said I was "close". You're working on it though. My vote in the general won't matter anyway if brewens Jan 2016 #96

You know what's really funny kjones Jan 2016 #103

I remember Chuck Schumer on The Daily Show BuelahWitch Jan 2016 #25

We must make the Dem Party unwelcome to Third Way corporatists. Broward Jan 2016 #26

Ain't gonna do it from the inside, no more than the Union could have joined the Confederacy to jtuck004 Jan 2016 #75

Very true words, indeed. n/t truedelphi Jan 2016 #128

Amen to that (n/t) bread_and_roses Jan 2016 #185

Excellent post!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2016 #30

Kick !! FloriTexan Jan 2016 #31

The exposure of the neoliberals to the light... 99Forever Jan 2016 #32

superb OP. thanks. Kick and Rec NRaleighLiberal Jan 2016 #38

Republicans did the same thing to the religious right for years. Get their votes and then brewens Jan 2016 #40

Why do you think they did that? Because electing folks who act like that is next to impossible. stevenleser Jan 2016 #42

I was waiting for a comment like that. Knew it was coming. madfloridian Jan 2016 #45

No, people who payed lip service to such folks were elected in 2000 and 2004 and... stevenleser Jan 2016 #50

See. You and the party leaders consider us fringe. We are NOT fringe. madfloridian Jan 2016 #51

Bernie supporters are fringe. But you refusing to accept that is OK. Bernie should know better. stevenleser Jan 2016 #53

You blame Bernie "for risking the future of this country on a fools errand"? madfloridian Jan 2016 #56

That was to be expected. Hillary may well lose the ge, and at any rate the party Doctor_J Jan 2016 #64

The truth hurts sometimes. stevenleser Jan 2016 #66

Okay. madfloridian Jan 2016 #70

sadly, it's the Hillary Campaign that bears the responsibility of leading Dems on a fools errand nashville_brook Jan 2016 #84

Nope, it doesn't. There is a factual basis for Bernie's entire reason for running being a fools stevenleser Jan 2016 #87

He has plenty of reasons to be running, and I support all of them. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #141

that makes no sense at all. but do continue. nashville_brook Jan 2016 #160

"has no chance"...ROFLMFAO!!! concreteblue Jan 2016 #85

Nope, he has no chance in a G.E. And my crystal ball is fine. stevenleser Jan 2016 #86

Keep smokin whatever you're smokin concreteblue Jan 2016 #91

The G.E. polls now don't mean anything, they are for entertainment value only. stevenleser Jan 2016 #127

Apples and oranges. concreteblue Jan 2016 #226

The images Old Codger Jan 2016 #192

Bernie supporters are "fringe" dflprincess Jan 2016 #119

How DARE he oppose Hillary! Bonobo Jan 2016 #129

Hate to break it to ya, but yes you are. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #90

I guess now I'm fringe FlaGranny Jan 2016 #167

Me, too, FlaGranny... madfloridian Jan 2016 #171

Your definition of "fringe" is far too broad for me Armstead Jan 2016 #182

Maybe the reason that Sen Sanders supporters are so enthusiastic is because they've been rhett o rick Jan 2016 #215

Nope, you are wrong. It is since November 1972. nt stevenleser Jan 2016 #41

I'm done with this. Not voting for Hillary Clinton ever.. Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #43

Doesn't this lay it out well. We have the rightwing (disenfranchised republican-lite) "dems" Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #46

K & R, another fine OP from you dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #48

excellent post Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #52

Last week someone here called us "little idealists" who needed to grow up. That's why... madfloridian Jan 2016 #54

So am I and I think it's the third wayers that have decimated CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #60

DWS has show her true nature. And Clinton's one too. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #136

if they don't keep the GOP around and rabid people might not vote for their DINOs MisterP Jan 2016 #83

Me too and not only that, sonofspy777 Jan 2016 #118

everyone is needed captainarizona Jan 2016 #57

Consensus means NOT insulting those the party is supposed to represent. madfloridian Jan 2016 #62

Yes, they are the newcomers farleftlib Jan 2016 #69

SURVIVAL mode during the REAGAN ERA love fest the media had w/ ronny raygun. but the lie pendulum is pansypoo53219 Jan 2016 #58

Been voting for D's since 1978. I'm done voting just because they're marked with a D Doctor_J Jan 2016 #59

10 million new voters who will never vote for HRH. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #102

exactly right restorefreedom Jan 2016 #145

This should be required zentrum Jan 2016 #61

K&R - so glad we have Bernie now senz Jan 2016 #63

Boink, Boink, Boink! Not Sure What Can Be Said When ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #65

Rec a thousand times Blue_In_AK Jan 2016 #67

Might be time for you to go. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #68

Are you going to give me a push out the door? madfloridian Jan 2016 #71

Never. I think you're a fine DUer. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #74

Nice save. madfloridian Jan 2016 #76

Quite right just like there is more to life than voting for a neoliberal Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #146

The inevitable Jury Results.. Cha Jan 2016 #148

Thanks Cha. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #186

So glad you posted that, Cha. Interesting to see the mindsets. madfloridian Jan 2016 #197

I'd much rather you go. mad is one of my favorite people on DU. nt stillwaiting Jan 2016 #154

What a ridiculous reply... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #172

Creepy... Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #216

Great post madfloridian ornotna Jan 2016 #82

From the 1985 DLC blueprint for reforming the party...words could not be more clear. madfloridian Jan 2016 #88

I guess extreme is extreme regardless of the variety kjones Jan 2016 #95

I have NOT advocated any of the things you refer to. madfloridian Jan 2016 #101

Apologies if you feel that way, since... kjones Jan 2016 #109

I have always felt about that way myself....however madfloridian Jan 2016 #115

Even my 86yo father wants to vote for Bernie. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #143

( ._.) Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #217

Love this OP, and I especially love this post, and agree with it. Punkingal Jan 2016 #193

Our country is filled with such anger and hatred at all levels.... madfloridian Jan 2016 #220

great comment...nt comradebillyboy Jan 2016 #104

Calling Bernie supporters extremists....you think that's great? madfloridian Jan 2016 #106

I think the irony of their protests for non-divisive discourse is lost on them... kjones Jan 2016 #222

Who the heck are you... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #174

Not a matter of moderate....If "the left" weren't consistently sandbagged.... Armstead Jan 2016 #223

Corporatism; is ideological one believes that conglomerates can't become too big, that Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #99

What were they supposed to do? postatomic Jan 2016 #105

They are still doing it. madfloridian Jan 2016 #108

Speaking of Democrats getting their asses handed to them... Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #138

Thank you for detailing the problems the Democrats faced postatomic Jan 2016 #188

What were they supposed to do? ljm2002 Jan 2016 #176

Okay postatomic Jan 2016 #187

So your question was rhetorical... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #189

Yup. You nailed it postatomic Jan 2016 #190

"Your post has a religious fervor to it"... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #194

It had something to do with things like this Recursion Jan 2016 #107

wrong conclusion was gathered from those maps Roy Ellefson Jan 2016 #161

Perhaps, but that is in fact the conclusion the party drew Recursion Jan 2016 #173

Wrong lessons kenfrequed Jan 2016 #214

( ._.) Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #219

It's done because they allow it to be done. BKH70041 Jan 2016 #110

I prefer to take our own party back. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #144

And another one... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #178

It'll work out just fine if you do. BKH70041 Jan 2016 #209

And I, for one... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #212

Following that logic, our party platform is made up of fungible parts Babel_17 Jan 2016 #112

K&R! I would love to see this receive hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #113

Thank you for a wonderful OP sonofspy777 Jan 2016 #120

It's now or never due to the CU decision. Major Hogwash Jan 2016 #133

K&R!!!!!!!!! newfie11 Jan 2016 #149

K&R emsimon33 Jan 2016 #134

impressive article. Thanks for posting this. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #135

K&R nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #142

An important post. Thank you,madfloridian. democrank Jan 2016 #147

Maybe sometime we shouldn't show up when beckoned. Vinca Jan 2016 #151

K&R Our world, our country, our democracy, has been sold out from under us. raouldukelives Jan 2016 #152

Thanks. I'll vote for the nominee, BUT this strenghtens my resolve to fight for Bernie. whathehell Jan 2016 #155

The party is a coalition of the left, liberals, and centrists. Zynx Jan 2016 #158

excellent post Locrian Jan 2016 #159

I haven't changed but the Democratic Party has jopacaco Jan 2016 #165

You can beat the "sensible center" by following their trail of political decisions. Baitball Blogger Jan 2016 #170

Thank you for this, and for so many of your other posts. pangaia Jan 2016 #175

This so very clear down here in Florida, where Wasserman-Schultz OPENLY supports GOP buddies and djean111 Jan 2016 #183

Remember Lieberman in 2006? Babel_17 Jan 2016 #195

AND the Dem party leaders openly supported Lieberman's indy run. madfloridian Jan 2016 #198

wikipedia has a semi-accurate list Babel_17 Jan 2016 #204

If I understand correctly . ... reACTIONary Jan 2016 #184

Exactly, so why do they like Bernie Sanders. madfloridian Jan 2016 #196

That's a real puzzler... reACTIONary Jan 2016 #210

He does have that tendancey Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #218

K & R. Thanks, mad, for the Posts. DhhD Jan 2016 #199

Leveraged buyout/hostile takeover Depaysement Jan 2016 #201

Neocons infiltrated the very top level of the party Ikonoklast Jan 2016 #202

It has certainly felt like a hostile takeover, LWolf Jan 2016 #224

The Democratic Party won't be able to do this much longer. The younger generation does not liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #225