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drowefnp

(28 posts)
70. Sanders supporters want presidency while rejecting the democratic party
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 07:23 PM
Jan 2016

As a democrat I will support whomever wins the democratic primary.

You act as if when Bernie is elected he does not need democratic legislators in Congress to get his agenda passed? Last time I looked the legislative branch of Congress was wholly controlled by Republicans. You think Republicans are going to lift a finger to do anything for a progressive agenda? You are fooling yourselves. Without progressive democrats elected a Bernie Sanders presidency can accomplish little to nothing. His agenda will stall from day one. Just look at the struggles Obama had initially even with democratic majorities in the beginning. Now Republicans have a virtual super-majority in the House.

So you want Bernie elected but without the funding other democratic candidates will need to get elected and get the job done? You want the democratic party to embrace and unite around a self-described democratic socialist as a means to an end to elect ONLY Bernie but not other democrats? If that is the case, then I think Bernie should have run as an independent and all of you who hate the democratic party should follow him on that independent run! But he didn't choose to run as an independent because you and I know he couldn't win as an independent. So is it a self-serving preference to use the democratic party apparatus for to run for president but not work for the democratic party's gain as a whole? I have to say this smacks me as being quite hypocritical and short-sighted.

And by the way, I don't buy the diversionary narrative and excuse that Bernie is not fund raising for the DNC because he has not yet maxed out contributions from his personal donors for his campaign. I don't know why he chose not to concurrently fund raise for both the DNC and his campaign, but the campaign fully capable of fund raising for both his campaign and the DNC if it chooses. I find it interesting that when there is any criticism or complaint of the tactics used by Bernie's campaign, somehow the response by Bernie supporters is to point the finger of blame or accusation at Hillary's campaign (e.g. her fundraising has maxed out with personal so that is why she raised money for the DNC, or, Hillary bears some responsible for the data breach initiated by Bernie's campaign). Answer this question: Does the Sanders campaign believe it has a duty to help get other democrats elected? We need democrats down ticket to get elected along with that democratic president.
I will tell you this, a Sanders presidency cannot be successful without democrats in office behind him. Not seeing that is delusional and irrational.

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To be fair, it's not like they can smear him with honesty. Desperate times! arcane1 Jan 2016 #1
Don't underestimate them. Vattel Jan 2016 #52
No lie is big enough. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #60
DNC didn't seem all that concerned during The Great Tea Party/GOP mid-terms, nc4bo Jan 2016 #2
Bernie has very few maxed out donors virtualobserver Jan 2016 #3
What a racket. nt nc4bo Jan 2016 #6
Yep... LovingA2andMI Jan 2016 #62
+1! Say it as many times as you want. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #61
$10,000/$5,000 per state party after Hillary and the DNC get their cut? Autumn Jan 2016 #4
It is a joke. cali Jan 2016 #5
silly Sanders! you're supposed to fundraise for the DNC, which'll then give you all the money MisterP Jan 2016 #7
And only 32 states are listed... MattSh Jan 2016 #8
Maybe the Democratic Parties in the other 18 states Eric J in MN Jan 2016 #11
the 32 state strategy doesn't have a very good ring to it virtualobserver Jan 2016 #9
. haikugal Jan 2016 #103
Didn't Sanders sign a contract agreeing to fund raise sufrommich Jan 2016 #10
Yes, but it's up to the DNC to schedule those events and according to his campaign cali Jan 2016 #13
That's a childish excuse,the fundraisers are done according to sufrommich Jan 2016 #21
Lol. The vast majority of Hillary's money comes from big money donors. cali Jan 2016 #69
DWS knows where the millionaires congregate.....at Hillary events. virtualobserver Jan 2016 #22
Yes, both Clinton and Sanders signed on to joint fund raise for the Democrats riversedge Jan 2016 #14
he will.....of course if he uses Hillary's max herself out first rule, not too many to ask. virtualobserver Jan 2016 #15
the democratic CLINTON committee can get bent. elana i am Jan 2016 #12
If Sanders believes as you do, then he should not have signed and agreement to joint fund riversedge Jan 2016 #17
Did you READ response #15? Plucketeer Jan 2016 #67
I haven't heard 'get bent' in years. pangaia Jan 2016 #32
Yep... LovingA2andMI Jan 2016 #64
It would serve him to make a list of candidates he would jwirr Jan 2016 #107
With Hillary, it's ALWAYS about the Benjamins Proserpina Jan 2016 #16
With Hilllary it's about getting elected..... reACTIONary Jan 2016 #27
So how much did Bernie raise for other democrats? workinclasszero Jan 2016 #18
Hillary raised money from maxed out donors ONLY. virtualobserver Jan 2016 #20
That's funny greiner3 Jan 2016 #100
What's wrong with NM? tecelote Jan 2016 #19
I don't know.....what did you say to her? virtualobserver Jan 2016 #24
Yea, New York either. pangaia Jan 2016 #33
Really? tecelote Jan 2016 #36
She moved to NY so she could run for a Senate seat in NY. pangaia Jan 2016 #41
Yeah. tecelote Jan 2016 #55
But ejbr Jan 2016 #45
OMG! Is the whole state on the Clintons' revenge/hit list???? Divernan Jan 2016 #97
I wouldn't give a cent to the DNC regardless. I only donate directly to the CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #23
There would have to be a regime change at the DNC for me to donate. virtualobserver Jan 2016 #25
That is what we do!! eom Duval Jan 2016 #29
^^ This right here ^^ Scuba Jan 2016 #99
The Victory Fund is just ONE way she raises money for other Dems. pnwmom Jan 2016 #26
It's another lame excuse by the Sanders campaign. nt sufrommich Jan 2016 #28
You and I both know that the money she raised came from her rich, maxed out donors virtualobserver Jan 2016 #31
The tone-deafness and color-blindness is.......off the charts.... pangaia Jan 2016 #30
Time is drawing perilously near. They are pulling out all the stops. Shameful. silvershadow Jan 2016 #34
Good luck getting anything done without Democrats in Congress. shenmue Jan 2016 #35
So Democrats are all about the money, huh......no money...then to hell with the people virtualobserver Jan 2016 #38
No, they're about getting elected, which requires money. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #39
the DNC isn't about getting people elected, not since DWS arrived virtualobserver Jan 2016 #42
I'm not going to defend DWS on much of anything, but I can assure you... MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #46
withholding is as powerful as donating virtualobserver Jan 2016 #51
She has refused to campaign or fund-raise against her GOP buddies. djean111 Jan 2016 #53
Considering there are only about 5 or 6 real dems in congress, it doesn't matter. onecaliberal Jan 2016 #44
Yeah, no real Dems on the CBC. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #49
Name that 5 or 6 please. MineralMan Jan 2016 #109
Haven't you heard? ejbr Jan 2016 #47
where was all that in 2014? azurnoir Jan 2016 #65
You may be correct but it also depends on what kind of jwirr Jan 2016 #108
Ugh. AzDar Jan 2016 #37
What ....to support candidates like Debbie and her ilk....No thanks. The empressof all Jan 2016 #40
DWS got power by choosing Pubs to run as Dems and forbidding any primaries MisterP Jan 2016 #68
Boils down to immediate pragmatism The empressof all Jan 2016 #84
DNC recruits/funds conservative Dems for primary runs vs. progressive Dems. Divernan Jan 2016 #98
I wouldn't give them one red cent. onecaliberal Jan 2016 #43
I'm so relieved. I don't want a dime of my money going to the DNC. Vinca Jan 2016 #48
All of my political donations go to the Sanders campaign. 99Forever Jan 2016 #50
Why should Bernie, of all people, raise cash for the DNC? Jack Rabbit Jan 2016 #54
Because he signed a contract agreeing to do sufrommich Jan 2016 #56
Is there any indication he hasn't held to the terms of that agreement? n/t winter is coming Jan 2016 #66
Rules aren't for Bernie it seems. Skidmore Jan 2016 #81
He agreed to fundraiser for the DNC tammywammy Jan 2016 #59
I keep getting the "MATCH" one for three gimmicks.......................... turbinetree Jan 2016 #57
There are only 32 states listed...do the others just have to suck an egg? SoapBox Jan 2016 #58
She raised $8M at the event with Sting tammywammy Jan 2016 #63
Sanders supporters want presidency while rejecting the democratic party drowefnp Jan 2016 #70
Good post. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #71
thank you drowefnp Jan 2016 #72
My pleasure. And I'd like an answer to your excellent question from SBS's campaign. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #74
Can Bernie unite the Democratic party? drowefnp Jan 2016 #83
The joke is on you she raised 18 million....she would have 55 million if she didn't share.... Historic NY Jan 2016 #73
Not if the bulk of that money came from maxed out (to her) donors. Which I suspect it did. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2016 #105
Looks like a great idea to raise cash for both. Gman Jan 2016 #75
DWS is complaining Bernie isn't funding her? left-of-center2012 Jan 2016 #76
No, she's not complaining. But the fact Sanders couldn't be bothered raising money KittyWampus Jan 2016 #101
So? It's made very clear what the terms of contributions are, and yet she still generated.... George II Jan 2016 #77
Donations from poor people? azmom Jan 2016 #82
That sounds like some online company rbrnmw Jan 2016 #91
DNC's winning mid-term strategy..... nc4bo Jan 2016 #78
the checks are for the same amount and the voters are easy to blame--why should they change anything MisterP Jan 2016 #87
Ya know nc4bo Jan 2016 #88
it's a sad and ever-lengthening litany MisterP Jan 2016 #89
Spot on! corkhead Jan 2016 #79
They have no one to blame but themselves.... As for Bernie's donations.... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #80
Right? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #85
And this says what? rbrnmw Jan 2016 #92
And here comes the straw man. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #93
Why do you feel the need to be rude to me? rbrnmw Jan 2016 #94
I wasn't rude, you didn't address my post. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #95
No harm it's all good rbrnmw Jan 2016 #96
After the way the party has treated azmom Jan 2016 #86
Thank God Hillary has 5% of the top 1% her corner! mhatrw Jan 2016 #90
Still no clash on issues, he doesn't call the DNC a usurping vacuum, ran by Debbie for Hillary . orpupilofnature57 Jan 2016 #102
I keep asking how Sanders is a viable candidate in the general election Gothmog Jan 2016 #104
that money is worthless.....just ask Jeb virtualobserver Jan 2016 #106
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