2016 Postmortem

sadoldgirl

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25. My greatest hope is that

Reply to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 08:26 PM

Jan 2016

Obama will be unable to pass the TPP, and Bernie as
President would shred it.

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No, Bernie's election won't make all "the venal and craven aspects" go away... [View all] Ken Burch Jan 2016 OP

He won't just give lip service; he will actually work to change things. It matters a lot. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2016 #1

Yes it does... daleanime Jan 2016 #52

We need a turn to the left. tecelote Jan 2016 #2

+1 nt Rebkeh Jan 2016 #12

Cause the last couple of dems prez's completely sold us out and were worthless !!!! :rolleyes: uponit7771 Jan 2016 #3

No shit, that is the problem with both Clinton TM99 Jan 2016 #6

The "problem" with Obama and Clinton are they were great and damn good?!?! He never said he uponit7771 Jan 2016 #7

Nope, that was hardly a winger lie. TM99 Jan 2016 #9

Yooj Plus One! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #22

1. You cut the question off like they do, 2. He never said what you claimed... period... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #35

Bullshit. TM99 Jan 2016 #37

"Id be considered" != "I consider myself" what you posted was false, the first is his words verbatim uponit7771 Jan 2016 #48

Nitpicking I see to try TM99 Jan 2016 #53

"that's a winger lie" Pretty much Number23 Jan 2016 #11

So mainstream they used to be republican. You see no problem with this? Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #16

So mainstream that in the 1980s he would have been CONSIDERED a moderate Republican Number23 Jan 2016 #18

Speaking of things that used to be other things kjones Jan 2016 #39

Yeap, tons of LPC posters using winger memes uponit7771 Jan 2016 #49

So he would have supported Reagan? tazkcmo Jan 2016 #45

Reagan, a moderate republican? kjones Jan 2016 #54

And yet, politicans (and former DUers) who openly admitted to VOTING for Reagan are Number23 Jan 2016 #55

You're kidding right!? Context matters and you cut the context out of the vid. Either way... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #36

...and Honest Abe was a Republican, what of it? kjones Jan 2016 #38

I didn't like moderate Republican positions in the 1980s. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #40

Probably didn't like the moderate Democrats either *shrug* kjones Jan 2016 #41

They're a horse a piece, eh? 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other? Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #42

Sounds kind of broadbrush to me kjones Jan 2016 #43

He said it. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #44

This is false, he never said the words or context the posters said he did. uponit7771 Jan 2016 #50

I know right? Phlem Jan 2016 #19

You would make TWM proud! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #23

That's an exceptional compliment. Phlem Jan 2016 #26

You're welcome. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #33

Yep, it matters a lot. TDale313 Jan 2016 #4

Agree with this, Ken Burch, and would throw saltpoint Jan 2016 #5

It's the first step. nt LWolf Jan 2016 #8

Can't have the people get more cynical than they already are Babel_17 Jan 2016 #10

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #13

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #14

Well hell, if blank check promises and a try is all it takes to be president, Amimnoch Jan 2016 #15

Trying is the first step towards failure neverforget Jan 2016 #20

+1. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #29

Difference. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #46

True. bigwillq Jan 2016 #17

That's all I ask, Ken. Someone with a true heart that recognizes the problems and tries hard. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #21

it would be nice to have someone not the "bull" stupidicus Jan 2016 #24

My greatest hope is that sadoldgirl Jan 2016 #25

Shred that thing into microscopic pieces, Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #34

Exactly!! You can learn to walk until at first you learn to crawl Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #27

It sure does. And so far, he is the only one that will call out the bullshit that is destroying all 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #28

Exactly. 99Forever Jan 2016 #30

I just want someone willing to fight for the American people. That's all. That is why I like Bernie. liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #31

it is critical bernie is elected. hopemountain Jan 2016 #32

And that is what scares them the most. nt raouldukelives Jan 2016 #47

It should matter, equality matters AuntPatsy Jan 2016 #51