2016 Postmortem

Cary

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96. The President is not a dictator.

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:28 PM

Jan 2016

Nor a saint. Nor a perfect representative for you personally.

We have coalition parties. The fact that the Republican Party has been hijacked by the extreme right is not grounds for ceding the Democratic Party to the extreme left. We nominate our candidate and we support him or her. We have no other viable alternative.

There is way too much at stake. I will list some for you:

1. No more stupid wars in the Middle East;

2. No more tax cuts for billionaires (universally supported by "conservatives&quot ;

3. Supreme Court appointees.

The last may be the most critical. Overturning these 5 - 4 straight across party lines garbage decisions is going to take time and discipline. There is an element that claims to be Democratic that is nothing but a total breakdown in discipline.

"Conservative" ideology is showing more and more how dangerous it is so really if you're not functionally working to combat that ideology you're part of the problem.

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This idea thst Bernie gets elected and all of the venal and craven aspects go away [View all] Cary Jan 2016 OP

You're right, the idea that it would go away is ludicrous... daleanime Jan 2016 #1

If Bernie wins gwheezie Jan 2016 #2

Sure it'll be brutal, and there will doubtless be losses too Kentonio Jan 2016 #34

You have a photo of Shirley Chisholm in your signature. Eric J in MN Jan 2016 #64

I wouldn't compare the 2 gwheezie Jan 2016 #68

I hope Bernie learns from Obama's early miscalculations . . . brush Jan 2016 #128

He's not my 1st choice but gwheezie Jan 2016 #131

Likewise, I will gladly vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination brush Jan 2016 #132

Yes you are right. Better to vote for more of the same no change and accept our lot in life. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #3

Nice strawman. TM99 Jan 2016 #4

I'm left wondering hootinholler Jan 2016 #18

I know, right. TM99 Jan 2016 #19

Exactly. bvf Jan 2016 #20

Actually the horse urine soaked straw is useful hootinholler Jan 2016 #23

Good tip! bvf Jan 2016 #25

It's easier to use straight ammonia hootinholler Jan 2016 #45

I actually have an aunt who was heavily into bvf Jan 2016 #53

A good VOC respirator is essential hootinholler Jan 2016 #54

Got it, thx! bvf Jan 2016 #58

...... daleanime Jan 2016 #76

... senz Jan 2016 #61

I get around :D hootinholler Jan 2016 #67

They use a lot of urea (from horses) when dying cotton. tecelote Jan 2016 #83

It's the ammonia that colors the wood but AFAIK only oak hootinholler Jan 2016 #84

Thanks! tecelote Jan 2016 #86

What's he going to fight them with? Oh right, his magic wand. Screw the Democratic Party KittyWampus Jan 2016 #29

So you are telling me that if Sanders TM99 Jan 2016 #50

Yes. Exactly. murielm99 Jan 2016 #87

Won't happen with Sanders. TM99 Jan 2016 #89

He is an outsider. murielm99 Jan 2016 #92

You are confusing his political philosophy TM99 Jan 2016 #95

And why not? hootinholler Jan 2016 #69

Agree 100% TDale313 Jan 2016 #77

Without an effort by Sanders to raise funds in the fourth quarter in order to elect supporting Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #5

+1 Blue_Adept Jan 2016 #8

Jumping on the bandwagon of the day again, eh? Armstead Jan 2016 #72

No Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #73

I'm sorry you had that idea. LWolf Jan 2016 #6

"Those of us..." Cary Jan 2016 #7

-1. The Poster speaks well for me and every Sanders supporter I know. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #10

Your ideas have to withstand scrutiny Cary Jan 2016 #21

And many ideas are supported by the majority of Americans. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #22

You don't listen Cary Jan 2016 #24

Sure, whatever you say. The same words you say apply to 'mainstream Democrats'. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #26

I don't know about progressives Cary Jan 2016 #32

. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #33

Us all? TM99 Jan 2016 #75

You don't think there might just be a pot, kettle, black situation going on here? Kentonio Jan 2016 #41

I speak only for myself even if I take some license here or there Cary Jan 2016 #81

It really has very little to do with Hillary Clinton. Kentonio Jan 2016 #93

But wait... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #66

"Mainstream" Democrats? kristopher Jan 2016 #39

Mainstream, as in In will vote for the nominee Cary Jan 2016 #49

How about just you? bvf Jan 2016 #71

I also agree with everything in that post. Clinton is running to the right of Nixon on domestic Attorney in Texas Jan 2016 #13

You live in Texas and you're not ready? Cary Jan 2016 #27

Of course I don't speak for "all Bernie Sanders supporters." LWolf Jan 2016 #17

And yet you felt perfectly free... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #65

You think you're the only one? You're on an internet message board. What do you expect? liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #90

Translation: "We're the Koch Brothers' Bitches so Shut Up and Go to the Slaughterhouse with Grace" Attorney in Texas Jan 2016 #9

Yea!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #FeeltheBern +100//// eom Karma13612 Jan 2016 #12

I for one PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #14

I must say, the number of "get real, Bernie doesn't have a chance, Karma13612 Jan 2016 #11

Of course that isn't my point Cary Jan 2016 #60

Way to re-stuff that stupid straw man, Cary. bvf Jan 2016 #15

I'm so sick of that "both sides do it" crap Cary Jan 2016 #85

OTOH, there are those bvf Jan 2016 #94

The President is not a dictator. Cary Jan 2016 #96

"The President is not a dictator." bvf Jan 2016 #97

"Thanks, Professor" Cary Jan 2016 #98

"I'm not here to educate you or anyone else." bvf Jan 2016 #101

Oh good. Cary Jan 2016 #102

Yet you press on, bvf Jan 2016 #103

Obviously your only purpose is to try to aggravate me. Cary Jan 2016 #104

Aggravation seems to be your default state bvf Jan 2016 #106

It's always about me. Cary Jan 2016 #107

Look up "gaslighting." bvf Jan 2016 #108

Yes I do. Cary Jan 2016 #109

So you looked up "gaslighting," bvf Jan 2016 #110

You don't say? Cary Jan 2016 #111

Yes, I do. It's pretty clear. bvf Jan 2016 #112

Is that right? Cary Jan 2016 #114

. bvf Jan 2016 #117

Inconceivable! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #113

Ow! bvf Jan 2016 #115

We're just not bright enough to appreciate genius: beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #116

Is that right? Cary Jan 2016 #118

"Under seize." Cary Jan 2016 #119

See #7. bvf Jan 2016 #120

No. I really don't care. Cary Jan 2016 #121

Enjoy. bvf Jan 2016 #122

You don't say? Cary Jan 2016 #123

. bvf Jan 2016 #124

That's the smartest thing you've said. Cary Jan 2016 #125

It's certainly intellectually superior to posting "Ha!" beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #127

You don't say? bvf Jan 2016 #129

Your OP about ignores? I give it a week, tops. bvf Jan 2016 #130

If Hillary is elected it doesn't go away either. Vinca Jan 2016 #16

I want someone to start negotiations on the left... Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2016 #28

Straw person. No one has the idea that electing Bernie will eliminate all bad things. merrily Jan 2016 #30

Pot meet kettle. Amimnoch Jan 2016 #37

Ok nt merrily Jan 2016 #38

No one claims any such thing. Making shit up is contemptible as well as ludicrous cali Jan 2016 #31

Very well-chosen words, there. n/t bvf Jan 2016 #36

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #35

To call that a "photo" is... bvf Jan 2016 #40

Please see Reply 31. Thanks. merrily Jan 2016 #42

Odd, I don't see #31. Amimnoch Jan 2016 #43

Thanks for eliminating the need for elections. kristopher Jan 2016 #47

Feel free to show me a theoretical roll call of a 115th Congress in 2017. Amimnoch Jan 2016 #48

How Republican. senz Jan 2016 #74

Ahhh, that beautiful "I have no argument, so I'll just go with a a basic insult" Amimnoch Jan 2016 #79

Right wing meme. tecelote Jan 2016 #88

Yeah because it's just so naive... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #44

+100000000 azmom Jan 2016 #51

Well done! hedda_foil Jan 2016 #63

the idea that anyone thinks that Bernie supporters expect immediate radical change is ludicrous. bowens43 Jan 2016 #46

Of course they won't. But at least Sanders will try. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #52

But Bernie would at least start the ball rolling up hill. Live and Learn Jan 2016 #55

I agree INdemo Jan 2016 #56

It is ludicrous and we only hear it from Clinton supporters AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #57

The difference: President Sanders isn't part of it and calls it for what it is. senz Jan 2016 #59

So...? cui bono Jan 2016 #62

The idea that Hillary gets elected and it doesn't get much worse is equally ludicrous. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #70

I was told the same thing by people here about President Obama Cary Jan 2016 #100

If Bernie is elected I am expectingJesus Himself to descend from the clouds Armstead Jan 2016 #78

In 1961, John Kennedy had this to say saltpoint Jan 2016 #80

I'd rather have an uncertain future CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #82

+++++++++++++++++++++++ nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #91

You want to cut off your nose to spite your face. Cary Jan 2016 #99

Electing Bernie is the very first step in limiting the power that venal and craven Zorra Jan 2016 #105

The concept that there will be a revolution that no polling can detect is amusing Gothmog Jan 2016 #126