2016 Postmortem

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39. Ok, best of luck!

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Is it Bernie or his agenda that the Hillary supporters are against??? [View all] SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 OP

More his relevance, or lack thereof, in the political sphere. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #1

do you think the support shown for him has moved the conversation to the left? SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #2

I don't think the conversation is much further left than the '08 primary. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #17

Huh? daleanime Jan 2016 #8

Burp. nt. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #11

Try a match... daleanime Jan 2016 #18

Huh? NCTraveler Jan 2016 #20

I voted for Clinton in the 2008 primaries Matariki Jan 2016 #140

I don't get the impression that they care about Bernie's agenda at all - djean111 Jan 2016 #3

I am for whoever wins the primary Frances Jan 2016 #71

I agree. It was "her turn" and Bernie is messing things up. I do think that there are some GoneFishin Jan 2016 #121

I agree with you on both points. senz Jan 2016 #125

Flamebait emulatorloo Jan 2016 #4

no - not true SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #10

Ok, best of luck! emulatorloo Jan 2016 #39

are ther any issues that you would like to see her take a more left approach? SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #46

I'm supporting Bernie for the nomination emulatorloo Jan 2016 #50

yea SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #54

Maybe they aren't as AGAINST Sanders as they are FOR Clinton? zappaman Jan 2016 #5

my question is really... SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #30

The obvious answer...nt comradebillyboy Jan 2016 #84

I like a lot of what he says, however he can't win the general election OKNancy Jan 2016 #6

So there's no possible reason for democratic voter to not want Hillary? daleanime Jan 2016 #12

Plenty, Sanders IS more idealogically left and has been that way longer. He gets points for that but uponit7771 Jan 2016 #107

It would be a win win to say... SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #16

Why? Do you really believe.... daleanime Jan 2016 #19

some days I let myself believe the strangest things SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #21

I think it's safe to say.... daleanime Jan 2016 #23

+1 to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. nt antigop Jan 2016 #29

+1 to this +1 Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #63

... and ignore the "he'll have to deal with a historically gerrymandred congress" rational?! Come on uponit7771 Jan 2016 #109

I think this is where Hillary and Bernie voters differ greatly: JDPriestly Jan 2016 #66

Few people believe Hillary is Teh Satan for the left and how Sanders will deal with an historically uponit7771 Jan 2016 #110

Sanders has been in the Congress for many, many years. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #111

Ok, that's a new one... He'll get along with people who cost the country 24 billion dollars to shut uponit7771 Jan 2016 #112

So why bother to run a Democrat for the White House at all? JDPriestly Jan 2016 #118

USSC?! etc, et al?! Ah and you remind me of another reason I'm skeptical of Sanders... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #119

Libertarians and Democratic Socialists are 180� apart senz Jan 2016 #127

It's a holding action only until we can undo the gerrymandered House of Representatives. stevenleser Jan 2016 #129

+1, its like no one has explained the consequences of the 2010 midterms to people... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #139

+ 1 JoePhilly Jan 2016 #74

I haven't seen any huge evidence of either DFW Jan 2016 #7

+1 n/t JTFrog Jan 2016 #60

You haven't been on the receiving end of their Bernie hate, then. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #103

True that DFW Jan 2016 #130

I want the most qualified person to perform the responsibility of the position I am voting. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #9

Again: How is someone who makes a lot of foreign policy mistakes qualified? Fawke Em Jan 2016 #104

I like Bernie firebrand80 Jan 2016 #13

No those "mind numbing buzzwords" don't get used enough Armstead Jan 2016 #108

Enjoy your bonfire. NurseJackie Jan 2016 #14

so - that is how you see things SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #27

Yup ... an OP Bernie supporters can use to attack Hillary supporters freely. JoePhilly Jan 2016 #55

The quick version Rebkeh Jan 2016 #15

+1 Scuba Jan 2016 #24

1. Not adverse to risk, just don't see Sanders is worth it seeing this historically gerrymandered uponit7771 Jan 2016 #94

About numbers two and three Rebkeh Jan 2016 #117

OK so I got 20 mph faster, with Sanders... thats not worth risking. If Sanders proffered a practical uponit7771 Jan 2016 #120

I think it's worth the risk nt Rebkeh Jan 2016 #122

I'm not against Bernie; I'm for Hillary Godhumor Jan 2016 #22

so the question is... SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #61

Neither, I'm just for Hillary anigbrowl Jan 2016 #25

My real question... SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #32

You should have asked your real question in your OP anigbrowl Jan 2016 #48

I understand SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #53

Thanks. anigbrowl Jan 2016 #57

This is an excellent summation and don't know why people are still asking after so many have uponit7771 Jan 2016 #96

Well said. northoftheborder Jan 2016 #114

His voting record on the Brady Bill and his vote to immunize gun manufacturers. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #26

single issue voters worry me SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #28

Reread my post. I mention numerous issues. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #35

more? SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #40

Haven't disucussed Clinton here. I posted me reasons for not Supporting Sanders in the primary. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #45

still - the question remains SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #49

I think her foreign diplomacy is too hawkish. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #86

What strategy do you think we should use to take the House and the Senate back? JDPriestly Jan 2016 #64

In the US House, elect state governors and state congresses. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #85

What issue stances do you think cause voters to prefer Democrats and get Democratic JDPriestly Jan 2016 #87

For state governments, it will depend on the state. All politics is local. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #90

I'm in California. I think that greater equality for minorities and women is important here in JDPriestly Jan 2016 #116

Not... it would take an average of 15% more dem votes EVERYWHERE to take the house back... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #98

And yet that is not entirely true. Each district has voters who do not vote. Get them voting and you Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #136

There's not a 2 - 3% margin ON AVG in the US with the gerrymandered house districts... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #138

Both... Sancho Jan 2016 #31

many thanks ... more? SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #33

You don't believe an economic agenda can be progressive?!?! stillwaiting Jan 2016 #41

No, I don't believe that economics alone can ever be progressive... Sancho Jan 2016 #68

Bernie's solutions cause MORE injustice? What a bizarre perspective. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #70

yep... Sancho Jan 2016 #73

Excellent post Empowerer Jan 2016 #97

+1, I too have started to look at economic as a subset of social. If I were rich and still shot by.. uponit7771 Jan 2016 #100

The liberal website Talking Points Memo Eric J in MN Jan 2016 #34

If true... SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #37

Hillary will not be pushed left. Both Bill and Hillary fully understand what they have done to stillwaiting Jan 2016 #42

so - how can that be changed SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #59

A lot of her supporters seem SheilaT Jan 2016 #36

I doubt many are against Sanders. Some are. randome Jan 2016 #38

so my question is... SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #43

More sustained and LOUD protests, perhaps? randome Jan 2016 #72

Neither. JoePhilly Jan 2016 #44

They don't care about Bernie OR his agenda or anything else tularetom Jan 2016 #47

I think that it is more than that. Many of them are like Hillary - they truedelphi Jan 2016 #76

...... okasha Jan 2016 #95

Visit suburbia sometimes. truedelphi Jan 2016 #137

Sure, I know there are plenty okasha Jan 2016 #141

Given that a post in the HRC group bvf Jan 2016 #51

Honestly - I have no problem with any of his policies... brooklynite Jan 2016 #52

What I want is for people to make it clear to Hillary that it is past time for a move back to the le SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #56

Better to not try than to not succeed. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #65

...if you're willing to accept the risk of failure. brooklynite Jan 2016 #67

This attitude always brings to mind thatsig nificant conversaion in the Classic: truedelphi Jan 2016 #78

"we might as well go down with Trump"....."what Hillary represents is almost as bad" brooklynite Jan 2016 #81

I would. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #106

I vote for Democrats liberal N proud Jan 2016 #58

your name - Liberal N Proud SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #62

The only criticism I see as reasonable Dem2 Jan 2016 #69

Its been expressed over and over that there's no need to take a chance on someone as idealogical uponit7771 Jan 2016 #102

In response to your Tourettes-like question peppered throughout this thread: OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #75

Yep, if there are any ideas that don't get aired in American politics they are those on the right Fumesucker Jan 2016 #88

... and a non-sequitor from the Peanut Gallery. OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #92

I think they're against the idea that the grassroots should have any real say in how the party Ken Burch Jan 2016 #77

Children who send in their money and turn up on election day - but keep their Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #82

I honestly don't think they are against Bernie, but they were sooo disappointed when napi21 Jan 2016 #79

Honest response: His online supporters, who are an embarrassment. Hekate Jan 2016 #80

Neither I just like Hillary Clinton in the primaries rbrnmw Jan 2016 #83

It's anything or anyone who stands in the way of The Coronation. 99Forever Jan 2016 #89

I think the motivations of Bernie supporters and Hillary supporters are fundamentally different Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #91

Honestly, I think hes not being open about the reason why has has not outlined how he's... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #93

It's not Bernie or his agenda. It's his ability to succeed. baldguy Jan 2016 #99

I quote you "well, fuck you" - I will not alert on this but I will ask... SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #128

Do you want to know how to move Hillary - and the party and the country - to the left? baldguy Jan 2016 #131

They're against Bernie for one of three reasons: Fawke Em Jan 2016 #101

Or don't see Bernie expressing how he's going to get past a historically gerrymandered congress... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #105

But, he has actually figured out ways to get what he wants out of them. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #113

There are no coalitions to be built with this historically gerrymandered GOP congress, anyone who... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #115

for many hillary supporters, nothing to do with agendas, it's just pay back for 2008 bowens43 Jan 2016 #123

They're against anyone who gets between her and what she wants. senz Jan 2016 #124

I prefer hillary Sniffles72 Jan 2016 #126

It isn't anti-Bernie as much as it is anti-Wall St. raouldukelives Jan 2016 #132

Neither. they hate his supporters reddread Jan 2016 #133

I support Bernie kenfrequed Jan 2016 #134

Hillary is far more glamorous than Bernie, for one thing. Zorra Jan 2016 #135

Neither. Instead, they're FOR Clinton. MineralMan Jan 2016 #142