2016 Postmortem

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11. Then Bernie can't have it both ways

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:46 PM

Jan 2016

How does he know crimes were committed if he doesn't know who did? Maybe the grand juries had nothing to indict on. The economy goes up and down and sometimes people make bad choices that might affect others. A recession in itself doesn't prove any crime was committed. There has to be a specific allegation.

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Sanders couldn't name one CEO that he would have sent to jail after the economic collapse [View all] ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 OP

Jesus Christ. You want a major candidate to allege that specific people thereismore Jan 2016 #1

Hasn't Bernie already been alleging that crimes were committed? nt Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #2

Where did he say that? Do you have the quote? Green Forest Jan 2016 #4

From his speech today: Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #7

Yes, I would like an answer from SBS on this. n/t MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #13

So you expect Bernie to specify who committed what crime? Really? Green Forest Jan 2016 #21

Why wouldn't he? Isn't one of his attributes the willingness to speak truth to power, regardless Empowerer Jan 2016 #33

He already has. And will continue to, unlike his critics. Green Forest Jan 2016 #40

He's not in this case. And you defend him for not calling them out Empowerer Jan 2016 #45

It would be idiotic and irresponsible to call out specific individuals. TM99 Jan 2016 #47

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #44

Lies, distortions and smears. TM99 Jan 2016 #51

jane enid602 Jan 2016 #68

I don't take people seriously who can't spell TM99 Jan 2016 #72

hypocrisy enid602 Jan 2016 #81

Who committed a felon? TM99 Jan 2016 #82

jane enid602 Jan 2016 #97

Nope, still false. TM99 Jan 2016 #98

That same logic could be applied to the bankers you laud Sanders for going after mythology Jan 2016 #124

hypocrisy enid602 Jan 2016 #92

No really she did not. TM99 Jan 2016 #94

Except she didn't AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #129

Hey, get this straiaght. Naming names is something else. It's the timing. When Cal33 Jan 2016 #107

I see Empowerer Jan 2016 #116

It's the plain common-sense way to have things like this done. Bernie strikes me as having Cal33 Jan 2016 #134

From his own website ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #8

Grand juries allege crimes (called indictments) angrychair Jan 2016 #9

Then Bernie can't have it both ways treestar Jan 2016 #11

He can have it any way he wants. It is called having an opinion. I respect him for it... Green Forest Jan 2016 #24

inconsistency in opinions treestar Jan 2016 #140

Reread my reply. Bernie knows more than he is telling. Your opinion about illogical claims rings true regarding Hillary, though... Green Forest Jan 2016 #146

If he knows of a specific instance of a specific act of crime treestar Jan 2016 #147

President Sanders will do that after a thorough and independent investigation by his Justice Dep't. Green Forest Jan 2016 #149

Crimes were committed angrychair Jan 2016 #34

There was a shooting in KCMO this afternoon -none Jan 2016 #87

Thank you. deathrind Jan 2016 #106

A shooting is a more concrete event treestar Jan 2016 #141

I responded logically to your original question. -none Jan 2016 #148

From the horse's mouth: Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #12

I take the increased number of attacks on Bernie as a sign the Hillary camp is worried. reformist2 Jan 2016 #27

Just wail 'til tomorrow. winter is coming Jan 2016 #35

Its 2008 All over again for the Hillary campaign INdemo Jan 2016 #77

Who are people he says committed 'illegal behavior" from his speech today??... riversedge Jan 2016 #70

Go easy on him. Maedhros Jan 2016 #71

This entire thread is frightening. Lots of posts trying to 7wo7rees Jan 2016 #90

And it would have been irresponsible to do so. TM99 Jan 2016 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author KittyWampus Jan 2016 #25

They stay up very late at night and watch Fox News INdemo Jan 2016 #80

Yeah that'd go over big Armstead Jan 2016 #5

There You Go Again.... global1 Jan 2016 #6

You may think fraud that collapsed the mmonk Jan 2016 #10

If it's fraud, cite the law and name the people. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #16

What about when Holder, the fucking attorney general, said that some institutions were too important JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #19

Cite the law that was broken by a CEO of these firms. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #20

I don't know, I'm not a criminal prosecutor. That is not where my training lies. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #22

Jamie Dimon Felonies Yallow Jan 2016 #31

I'll bite MFrohike Jan 2016 #130

The SEC routinely negotiates away felonies. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #133

There isa a huige difference between criminal prosecution of a corporation and the criminal ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #32

Ah, I am mistaken. Thanks. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #43

It is by design ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #46

Which is a systemic problem that Sanders is trying to address Armstead Jan 2016 #143

No he's not ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #145

If there is more accouontability.... Armstead Jan 2016 #156

all that proves is that it is not black and white treestar Jan 2016 #142

Jesus it is hard to take y'all seriously. TM99 Jan 2016 #23

Impressive post, and I appreciate all the work that went into it. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #28

To be honest, there IS one CEO that could have been prosecuted ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #37

Now, that is interesting. I missed that for some reason, even though.. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #53

You have been presented with what laws were broken. TM99 Jan 2016 #41

Sorry, that's not the way corporate law works in this country. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #55

Bullshit. TM99 Jan 2016 #59

Show me the evidence, or at least a reason for criminal... MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #63

So you do not read any of the links presented to you? TM99 Jan 2016 #66

Jamie Dimon. RICO maybe, definitely fraud to investors, 7wo7rees Jan 2016 #79

Thank you for some sanity in this thread. /nt think Jan 2016 #30

Rating junk AAA (the highest investment grade) mmonk Jan 2016 #54

I completely agree, the ratings angencies were probably most responsible for what happened. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #57

Lotta big talk. redstateblues Jan 2016 #126

Thanks for linking this analysis. FloridaBlues Jan 2016 #14

Whoa! Exposed! So gimmicky. R B Garr Jan 2016 #15

Exactamundo. ucrdem Jan 2016 #17

K&R! stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #18

That would be a very foolish thing to do. Glad he didn't do it. senz Jan 2016 #26

I haven't watched the video; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #29

He actually did name Jamie Dimon, but didnt specifically say he should be in jail, even tho we all litlbilly Jan 2016 #42

But, as with most white collar crime ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #49

the fact is, they never even get prosecuted at all, so they completely get away with it. Unless, litlbilly Jan 2016 #60

That's not a true statement. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #76

Hello. Enron? MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #86

Presidential Material People Do Not Name Names - Period Yallow Jan 2016 #36

That's "wouldn't" not "couldn't". and if you're liberal, I'm Santa Claus. HERVEPA Jan 2016 #38

I supported Howard Dean in 2004. You can check out my post history from 2003 on DU. Nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #48

Sorry, with all the crap posts against Bernie, don't buy it. HERVEPA Jan 2016 #83

Boom, here's proof ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #101

Sorry. Doesn't prove you are liberal. You can be for Hillary without constantly tearing down Bernie HERVEPA Jan 2016 #108

You asked for my proof of being a Howard Dean supporter. ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #109

I asked for proof you were liberal. Never asked for Howard Dean proof. You misinterpreted my comment HERVEPA Jan 2016 #111

Who did you support in the 2003/04 primary? nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #112

Kerry. And this is irrelevant to my statement about whether you are liberal. HERVEPA Jan 2016 #115

OMG, cant believe you went there. You might want to rethink your handle. litlbilly Jan 2016 #39

I'm tired of people running away from the label "liberal." ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #50

I'm tired of third way er's Co-Opting the word Liberal bahrbearian Jan 2016 #67

My positions are liberal. ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #78

Liberal is now coopted by the right. Waiting for Someone Jan 2016 #85

I'm tired of Socialists redstateblues Jan 2016 #128

And earlier in the day PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #52

He named a lot of criminal activity notadmblnd Jan 2016 #56

Great points DJ13 Jan 2016 #118

Yeah, they seem to drop off the face of the earth when shown the truth. notadmblnd Jan 2016 #132

Hillarians are just being obtuse. earthside Jan 2016 #58

You just found out how clean he is. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #61

He's had eight years to move on this. He hasn't. ucrdem Jan 2016 #62

Not paying attention again are we? TM99 Jan 2016 #69

Yes I read his "too big to fail" bill. ucrdem Jan 2016 #89

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #95

Yes, proof that Sanders' sound and fury signifies nothing. You're welcome. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #102

please watch his speech today Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #64

He saiut??d there was 'Illegal behavior" and no one went to jail. Who is he talking abo riversedge Jan 2016 #74

Of course not! He has spent his entire career... Walk away Jan 2016 #65

Franklin D. Roosevelt.... Yallow Jan 2016 #91

Why do you think Sanders should give CEO names? For what reson? INdemo Jan 2016 #73

I asked that. TM99 Jan 2016 #75

Link to wear you ask? Nt ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #84

Thanks for your efforts on this thread. You have effectively Vattel Jan 2016 #88

It is an uphill battle against the lies, TM99 Jan 2016 #96

The writer of this article is a right wing nut You should have just gone to Faux News and INdemo Jan 2016 #93

Jury results: MerryBlooms Jan 2016 #99

Just to set the record straight INdemo Jan 2016 #117

You know as Hillary supporters what you should have done and kept everything at a civil level INdemo Jan 2016 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #100

STUPID OP. Naming names would prejudice any future indictment. grasswire Jan 2016 #103

Couldn't or wouldn't? MuseRider Jan 2016 #104

Good. He's not on a first name basis with any of them! TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #105

I know, right? He also doesn't take their dirty fucking MONEY... unlike Hillary. AzDar Jan 2016 #110

So, you're accusing HRC of a crime. Spell it out. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #113

And what crime would that be? Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #120

Hillary can't name one CEO she would even investigate...nt artislife Jan 2016 #114

Flame bait OP AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #121

Ask him to commit SLANDER. Fucking brilliant, even from a Hillary supporter. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #122

I think this should be included here to remind us all where Hillary stands INdemo Jan 2016 #123

There were no investigations. Naming names could be considered defamation . Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #125

Bernie big talk redstateblues Jan 2016 #127

The President isn't supposed to influence the DOJ by naming people he wants in jail Babel_17 Jan 2016 #131

Wow, watched a repeat. This is devastating to R B Garr Jan 2016 #135

but.. butt.. butttt.. he's going to do that in his first year... Amimnoch Jan 2016 #138

Lol, exactly. That's about how much thought he's R B Garr Jan 2016 #151

Verrrrry interesting! BooScout Jan 2016 #136

of course not. Amimnoch Jan 2016 #137

I wasn't aware that he is a Prosecutor or Judge Lans Jan 2016 #139

Wall Street/corps is all he talks about. He attacks R B Garr Jan 2016 #150

Nope Lans Jan 2016 #152

Noticing that a candidate can't name names or R B Garr Jan 2016 #154

Like I said Lans Jan 2016 #155

I'm just observing what Bernie says. Don't put R B Garr Jan 2016 #157

nope Lans Jan 2016 #158

Nope, you are protecting Bernie who is protecting R B Garr Jan 2016 #159

Bybyour hit-and-run smear job, you demonstrate that you have NOTHING KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #144

I can't decide whether to rec or trash this thread. There is some good info in here to rec but, Hiraeth Jan 2016 #153