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cascadiance

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36. The flaw in your argument...
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jan 2016

... is that the 14th amendment wasn't consciously written to give artificial persons rights of natural persons when it nebulously had a paragraph in it that only stated "person" instead of qualifying it with "natural" as the intent was clear of the authors of this amendment was to give slaves rights and correct holes in previous constitutional language that had not given POC who are by definition part of the group of "natural persons" in this country, no matter how much some racist bigots might not want them to be defined as such.

It was likely the case that the authors of this amendment hadn't been rigorous enough to ensure that the amendment was written properly within the context of the original constitution and other amendments that defined carefully in places where it was important where laws applied to natural persons and where they applied to artificial persons. Of course the corporatists of earlier time wanted to exploit that and through their court clerk used a head note (not even the court case decision itself!) to set precedent to establish "corporate personhood" rights. Had the original authors seen the history from that amendment onward, you could be damn sure that they would have put the term "natural" in front of the used and abused ambiguous "person" reference in that amendment.

I think I respect Thom Hartmann who's written a book and many other works on this issue and influenced many other scholars to his viewpoint than your opinion and this random note that doesn't seem to be making the case supporting the notion of corporate personhood as an inherent right being necessary for certain entities to get justice. Read more here...

http://money.howstuffworks.com/corporation-person1.htm

As I've noted before, just because corporations and groups like the NAACP aren't natural persons, doesn't mean they can't get rights that people also have, but that they need to get them legislatively, and can have them removed legislative. They shouldn't be inherent birthright rights, as they aren't born the way we as people are with certain rights endowed to us by things like the Bill of Rights that can't be taken away legislatively.

If you ascribe corporations and other groups with inherent rights that can't be changed or removed legislatively, we are setting ourselves up for a corporate or other ugly kind of takeover in terms of taking us as a democracy of natural persons' being the ultimate decision makers in our country. Our founders would most definitely frown on such actions, even if some of the artificial organizations may be a lot more honorable and have good intent more than others.

Do you want an artificial person running for political office. I think it has been tried a few times as a form of protest, but that might someday happen if we continue to worship "corporate personhood" as "good law", when it is just a crappy head note written by a former railroad exec as if it was one of our laws by those that would rather have our system run by those who want us to be ruled by crap like that instead of a true representative democracy.

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Bernie Sanders TSIAS Jan 2016 #1
Let them add it to the 'the record' vkkv Jan 2016 #2
Either of them gwheezie Jan 2016 #3
Yes, Hillary won't jeopardize Roe, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2016 #13
+1 cui bono Jan 2016 #32
The early voting doesn't look good for the Hillary Forum where they vkkv Jan 2016 #4
Someone that doesn't like debate JackInGreen Jan 2016 #10
That's quite ironic Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #11
Oh that is priceless, especially the 'Billary' comment. Kentonio Jan 2016 #20
How earth DID you find THIS from 2008 ?? vkkv Jan 2016 #22
I kind of stumbled on that a few months ago Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #28
Probably Bernie Kalidurga Jan 2016 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author vkkv Jan 2016 #6
Let's see, at this point 88 views..18 votes.. that is 70 Hillary supporters who are afraid to say vkkv Jan 2016 #7
Bernie - 3 to 1 at this point - Hillary Forum fans can .. you know what! vkkv Jan 2016 #8
Definitely would pick a justice that would reverse "corporate personhood" decisions... cascadiance Jan 2016 #9
Actually, Bernie's position on CU, appropriately, is much narrower than that onenote Jan 2016 #17
Corporate Personhood is larger than Citizen's United... cascadiance Jan 2016 #18
Do you think the NAACP, MoveON, DU, and unions should not be protected by the First Amendment? onenote Jan 2016 #23
They nor corporations are NOT "natural persons" and aren't given rights by the 14th amendment... cascadiance Jan 2016 #24
So you would have allowed the NY Times to be prosecuted onenote Jan 2016 #25
Sorry, but the Bill of Rights was designed for NATURAL persons, not artificial persons... cascadiance Jan 2016 #26
The "press" could be an individual. You can't have it both ways onenote Jan 2016 #30
The press itself is mentioned specifically in the constitution. Corporations are not! cascadiance Jan 2016 #33
the reason we have a first amendment is that we cannot trust the legislature to protect speech onenote Jan 2016 #34
The flaw in your argument anigbrowl Jan 2016 #35
The flaw in your argument... cascadiance Jan 2016 #36
Get real. anigbrowl Jan 2016 #37
Then I guess you must just love the Hobby Lobby decision if you love corporate personhood rights! cascadiance Jan 2016 #40
Oh please anigbrowl Jan 2016 #41
corporate personhood is centuries old and not going away Recursion Jan 2016 #44
NO, there is NO reason we can't have LEGISLATED LAW to permit them being sued... cascadiance Jan 2016 #45
Sorry, you must have replied to the wrong post Recursion Jan 2016 #46
The reality is that there wouldn't be much difference in who they would pick onenote Jan 2016 #12
This, plus firebrand80 Jan 2016 #14
I agree Enrique Jan 2016 #38
Both. n/t Nonhlanhla Jan 2016 #15
I think both would do an equivalently good job el_bryanto Jan 2016 #16
Not even close. 99Forever Jan 2016 #19
Hillary Forum can't be happy about THESE results! vkkv Jan 2016 #21
The democratic president.... AuntPatsy Jan 2016 #27
I think either would select fine nominees TeddyR Jan 2016 #29
ACTUAL kindergarteners would nominate better SC justices than the GOP Congress. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #31
Their picks would probably be identical or close to it DFW Jan 2016 #39
Pretty much. Recursion Jan 2016 #43
Meh. There's a fixed set they're drawing from Recursion Jan 2016 #42
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