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CoffeeCat

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121. I don't look at averages like that...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:10 PM
Jan 2016

...because there are so many horrendously bunk polls out there. It's a banner year for unscientific, bizarre methodologies. And it's really frustrating to those of us who care about accuracy and good data.

I spent a great deal of time pouring over the polling methodologies. The Loras Poll is one of those polls in your average. It has Clinton up by 32 points in Iowa. That's clearly ridiculous. Read through the methodologies, who they exclude and who they include.
Loras, along with the Monmouth Poll (which you did not list) is garbage. An embarrassment to polling.

Another reason that I don't look at these lumped polls from a month ago, is because major shifts in Iowa started to happen two weeks ago. They campaigns are are ramped up now; more rallies, more ground game, more television ads, more media stories. The Iowa dynamics have shifted some in the past two weeks, and are in the process of completely turning our state into caucus central.

Some polls get it right. Many are bunk. Those averages include the bunk. I also looked at rolling averages from 2008. Again, some polls had it right; some were off. And the rolling averages that included the "off" polls were off nearly 10 points of the actual 2008 caucus result.

Because there are so many lazy, sloppy pollsters out there, I'm forced to primarily rely on Ann Selzer's Iowa Poll, which showed Sanders down by only 9. That came out in late November, so I don't have a lot to hang my hat on, poll-wise.

The Quinnipiac poll that comes out next week, looks promising, but I won't rely on it until I read the fine print. I'm only paying attention to select, reliable, science based polls. You want to show me where the race is, show me the next Selzer Iowa Poll. It comes out in 2-3 weeks.

I see a lot on the ground in Iowa, and I know for sure that Bernie has gained ground from late November, when that Iowa Poll (Clinton +9) was released. I'm betting that Quinnipiac will show a nice bump for Bernie. There is so much enthusiasm for Bernie and not as much for Clinton. He seems to be gathering momentum in our state.

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Maybe, just maybe the real South might just be ready for 7wo7rees Jan 2016 #1
You bet it could. 840high Jan 2016 #2
Banking on it! n/t 7wo7rees Jan 2016 #3
Hillary is the one who is "banking" on it... post should read "Wall Street is ready to save Hillary" ... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #45
If Bernie wins Iowa and NH... CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #6
Didn't Ghouliani try that strategy and wind up millions of dollars spent to win one electoral vote? hedda_foil Jan 2016 #24
$62 million to win one hypothetical federal delegate jfern Jan 2016 #29
With Rudy it was all about Florida. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #72
New Hampshire right now is a toss-up, Iowa has Clinton ahead by roughly 15%. George II Jan 2016 #116
Clinton is not ahead by 15 in Iowa, that's for sure CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #117
Here is the current status of the polls in Iowa. George II Jan 2016 #118
I don't look at averages like that... CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #121
I'm not. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #4
yep,same here Go Vols Jan 2016 #5
Same here, Go Vols. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #9
Grew up in Tennessee...I remember the good old days when TN was a Dem state! Punkingal Jan 2016 #54
Native Tennesseean here... Docreed2003 Jan 2016 #114
Hope the South is ready to save us from Trump ... slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #7
Save her for what? tularetom Jan 2016 #8
+1000 Punkingal Jan 2016 #53
As a southerner its because of it nt SwampG8r Jan 2016 #60
Hillary will hope to carry TeddyR Jan 2016 #77
And THAT... Says It All... WillyT Jan 2016 #10
Most of the Dems in the South are African American and Latino, pnwmom Jan 2016 #11
Who Have Been Manipulated And Discounted By The Clinton's For Decades... WillyT Jan 2016 #12
Oh, yes, the African Americans and Latinos who support her are just too ignorant pnwmom Jan 2016 #13
First Of All... Who Do You Think Is Being Forced To Drink The Water In Flint... And... WillyT Jan 2016 #14
The black voters in Michigan are smart enough to know that a Rethug governor, pnwmom Jan 2016 #18
The Black/Latino/Muslim Voters In Michigan Are Smart Enough To Know Who's On Their Side... WillyT Jan 2016 #22
Hillary's on their side on this as much as Bernie or Martin. pnwmom Jan 2016 #23
Why are you trying to link Clinton with the poisoning of Flint? How incredibly dishonest. Tanuki Jan 2016 #47
(Black folks) have been Manipulated and discounted by the clintons for decades ,,, 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #79
... Number23 Jan 2016 #87
Amazing, huh? This has to be performance art ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #90
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #123
WOW dude!!! Really?!! We've been manipulated!? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #122
... WillyT Jan 2016 #16
Oh, wow. And he's made a huge difference in Bernie's standing there, right? pnwmom Jan 2016 #21
I'm Sorry... Didn't Mean To Offend... Are You Black ??? WillyT Jan 2016 #25
No, but I have family members who are. And I listen to them, too. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #26
And Curiously... So Do I... Black And Latino... WillyT Jan 2016 #27
Now THAT has got to be the funniest statement you have made ... ever. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #80
Wow you folks really ARE scared AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #35
Well ... He's starting up a HBCU Barn storming Tour. That might help. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #78
An HBCU tour makes a lot more sense than Cornel West. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #82
He's going to be there, too. So ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #83
I was about to make that same point but you did it much better Number23 Jan 2016 #89
So who's going to lead the charge? Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #15
Do You Realize How Bad That Sounds ??? WillyT Jan 2016 #17
I don't think WaPo likes her ucrdem Jan 2016 #20
WaPo doesn't like any strong Democrat - with a few journalistic exceptions. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #30
No, how bad does it sound? White southern Democrats basically don't exist now Recursion Jan 2016 #41
"White southern Democrats basically don't exist now"? Sure they do. fleur-de-lisa Jan 2016 #70
Wouldn't that be awesome if that were true? Recursion Jan 2016 #71
Wow, that was silly. fleur-de-lisa Jan 2016 #73
Super Tuesday, the night they drove ol' Bernie down ucrdem Jan 2016 #19
I sure will be. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #31
Agree completely. ucrdem Jan 2016 #37
Thanks! BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #42
Why in the hell would you want ANY leader in office who uses threats of retribution like that? Kentonio Jan 2016 #76
We'll get the rest of the words together by Super Tuesday night... Hekate Jan 2016 #108
Does Hillary really need saving? comradebillyboy Jan 2016 #28
Same here! :) eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #56
Agreed. Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #81
Hillary Clinton doesn't needs saving, but she needs that firewall to stop Sanders in his tracks. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #32
So we all agree that the north is going to ditch Clinton? Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #33
Nope. The South will be voting before much of the north, and could decide pnwmom Jan 2016 #34
So now the north doesn't even matter anymore? Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #36
I don't like that either. I think the whole set-up stinks. Two heavily white states, pnwmom Jan 2016 #38
Yes, let's throw race into the conversation again. No reason needed. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #39
People who use the phrase "playing the race card' are dismissing the pnwmom Jan 2016 #40
Twist my words and twist again. your use of "concerns" is the real disrespect: Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #43
Wrong. Hillary has called for the end of the private prison industry. pnwmom Jan 2016 #44
* yawn* Yet one more "cut it out" moment. She is SPONSORED by the prison industry. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #58
No, she isn NOT. And Bernie can't stop any PAC from operating on his behalf either. pnwmom Jan 2016 #59
I think cozying up to Rahm will harm her with black voters betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #46
The primary contest will be over after Super Tuesday Gothmog Jan 2016 #48
and I'm sure the Texas Dem Party is equally supportive of both Bernie and HRC, isn't it? antigop Jan 2016 #49
I will ask the Chairman next week when I see him Gothmog Jan 2016 #63
Your response tells me all I need to know about the Texas Dem party. Yep, it does. nt antigop Jan 2016 #65
Do you want to predict how many delegates that Sanders gets from Texas Gothmog Jan 2016 #66
add +1 to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. nt antigop Jan 2016 #68
What number is that counter up to? Gothmog Jan 2016 #85
Beware: Someone Is Trying to Convince You That Bernie Can't Win nt antigop Jan 2016 #69
That "someone" seems to be the voting public, as reflected in national polls! Tanuki Jan 2016 #74
HAHA! The polls that Mook says are "unreliable"? antigop Jan 2016 #75
BTW, these bumperstickers were printed two or so years ago before anyone had heard of sanders Gothmog Jan 2016 #84
It still tells me all I need to know about the Texas Dem party. nt antigop Jan 2016 #86
Texas has three times the number of delegates as Iowa and NH combined Gothmog Jan 2016 #88
add +1 to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. nt antigop Jan 2016 #91
What is the current count on the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter? Gothmog Jan 2016 #93
HAHA! You should know! nt antigop Jan 2016 #97
You are the one who keeps posting this weak response Gothmog Jan 2016 #99
add +1 to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. nt antigop Jan 2016 #103
Dismissing the concerns of a significant number of Democratic voters is not good way to win votes Gothmog Jan 2016 #109
add +1 to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. nt antigop Jan 2016 #110
keep up the good work of telling people everything they need to know about the TX Dem party. antigop Jan 2016 #112
So Sanders is running to tackle issues Qutzupalotl Jan 2016 #113
Oh, and say "hi" to DWS and thank her for moment of candor re: Bernie! nt antigop Jan 2016 #98
and it still tells me all I need to know about the TX Dem party. nt antigop Jan 2016 #92
If Sanders wants to be competitive in Texas, he might think about appealing to POC Gothmog Jan 2016 #100
add +1 to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. nt antigop Jan 2016 #104
did you say 'hi' to DWS and thank her? nt antigop Jan 2016 #106
Don't bet the house on it. Hiraeth Jan 2016 #50
If you feel so strongly on this bet, then open Irish brokerage account and bet on Bernie Gothmog Jan 2016 #94
interesting. thanks. Hiraeth Jan 2016 #115
Beware: Someone Is Trying to Convince You That Bernie Can't Win antigop Jan 2016 #51
And this is why in Iowa Bernie has gone from .8 to within single digits CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #55
I didn't need corporate media to convince me that Hillary has been attacked for decades pnwmom Jan 2016 #62
Goodness. That's your entire contribution to this thread. Weak sauce. Hekate Jan 2016 #111
Save her from what? tazkcmo Jan 2016 #52
From the results of an unrepresentative caucus of a small fraction of voters in pnwmom Jan 2016 #61
Wow, now she has to be saved?!? sadoldgirl Jan 2016 #57
Well I don"t think she will need saving! MoonRiver Jan 2016 #64
Super Tuesday delegates are 57% from Romney states Jim Lane Jan 2016 #67
Why does she NEED to be saved? Ken Burch Jan 2016 #95
Some of us think she has a stronger background than the others pnwmom Jan 2016 #96
I haven't swallowed any of that either. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #102
The most conservative we could possibly nominate this year? pnwmom Jan 2016 #107
In 1992 Bill Clinton lost both in Iowa and NH, he came back to win the nomination and the Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #101
two differences if HRC loses both karynnj Jan 2016 #119
Just watching the polls, in fact Hillary has not lost either Iowa or NH. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #120
Unintended consequences are sometimes too funny for words Hekate Jan 2016 #105
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