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BlueStreak

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25. How do you know what Romney meant?

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 12:18 AM

Sep 2012

His meaning seemed clear enough. He said it twice. "47% of Americans".

And what difference does it make? The statistic wasn't the essence of his argument. His argument is that about half of the American public is freeloaders just leeching off the people like Romney and his billionaires who really make America great.

Regardless of how the 47% number might be defined with precise accuracy, right-wingers have been running around with this meme that "47% of Americans pay no taxes" and it is high time they be called out on it.

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What EVERYBODY is missing about the 47% [View all] BlueStreak Sep 2012 OP

I just posted this. Well, partially. valerief Sep 2012 #1

Thank you. At least there is one person out there who sees through this bull.. BlueStreak Sep 2012 #5

And it includes OUR TROOPS overseas who are Obama supporters. Tx4obama Sep 2012 #2

Point of clarification BlueStreak Sep 2012 #7

The way I heard him say what he said was ... Tx4obama Sep 2012 #10

He mixed up the two groups "Obama supporters" and "the shiftless class" BlueStreak Sep 2012 #15

No it's 47% of tax units which I suppose is per tax return. dkf Sep 2012 #3

He said "47% of Americans" BlueStreak Sep 2012 #4

Right! nt valerief Sep 2012 #6

And this is my point. We are letting these bastards get away with an absurd claim BlueStreak Sep 2012 #8

Well he is citing a statistic which refers to tax units. dkf Sep 2012 #13

He is MISQUOTING the statistic then. BlueStreak Sep 2012 #16

And he didn't clarify his statements in tonight's emergency press conference. Indpndnt Sep 2012 #19

That wasn't for public consumption. It was for people who probably already know what it represents. dkf Sep 2012 #21

How do you know what Romney meant? BlueStreak Sep 2012 #25

Listen to it again... dkf Sep 2012 #26

So on that basis, you are saying what he really meant was ... BlueStreak Sep 2012 #32

STOP. DEFENDING. ROMNEY. kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #28

I can't handle reading stuff that is off in its assumptions. dkf Sep 2012 #29

dkf is actually correct on this. There is a study that claims that. musicblind Sep 2012 #30

There is a study that counts the number of mosquitoes in Africa BlueStreak Sep 2012 #33

Right. That's a very bold "fact" renaissanceguy Sep 2012 #67

This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone... k2qb3 Sep 2012 #9

Please explain payroll tax. qwlauren35 Sep 2012 #63

47% still pay PROPERTY TAXES, PAYROLL TAXES, SALES TAXES, LOCAL TAXES, STATES TAXES, etc. etc. thecentristword Sep 2012 #11

that's what i told my fux gnews meme epal. pansypoo53219 Sep 2012 #17

Obviously we are speaking of Federal taxes veuillez31 Sep 2012 #46

FINALLY, Krystal Ball cracked open the 47% number BlueStreak Sep 2012 #12

Kudos to E. J. Dionne. He also broke it down on the Ed Show BlueStreak Sep 2012 #20

And Jon Stewart broke down the 47% effectively. Rachael and Laurence, we're still waiting. BlueStreak Sep 2012 #65

Barbara Boxer was OUTSTANDING on TRMS tonight BlueStreak Sep 2012 #70

President Obama gave a great rundown on the 47% in his Univision town hall BlueStreak Sep 2012 #71

How many likely Romney voters might be in that 47% BlueStreak Sep 2012 #14

Romney in-fighting WallaceRitchie Sep 2012 #18

Romney picked the number out of a hat Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #22

No he didn't abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #31

He also said "48%" and "49%". What study was he citing in those instances? BlueStreak Sep 2012 #34

Romney probably pays less taxes than the 47 Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #40

It includes people who are running a business but just scraping by treestar Sep 2012 #23

Good point. And remember, that 47% number was at the worst of the Bush meltdown. BlueStreak Sep 2012 #24

You guys don't get it many white Americans think nobody pays income tax doc03 Sep 2012 #27

Ooh, Delphinus Sep 2012 #37

It also includes people with low-paying jobs Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #35

Thank you for that analysis BlueStreak Sep 2012 #38

It's a similar story for the military... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #39

Sorry Jeff your Wrong veuillez31 Sep 2012 #47

Not exactly sure where you're getting your information.... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #69

It Also Includes Some Military Xyzse Sep 2012 #36

How do you challenge the facts veuillez31 Sep 2012 #41

You call those facts? Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #42

It is a true statement veuillez31 Sep 2012 #48

No it is not a true statement Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #53

You are wrong on all counts BlueStreak Sep 2012 #50

It comes out but they get it back in April veuillez31 Sep 2012 #43

You claim most people receive a tax return more than triple what they pay in? Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #51

I didn't say most people you did veuillez31 Sep 2012 #56

Oh yes you did say most people... Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #62

1500 that is veuillez31 Sep 2012 #44

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And I am sure you were screaming about the debt when the Republicans created it Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #49

I work in Healthcare veuillez31 Sep 2012 #52

I took out my calculator... Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #58

No, you deliver 200 American citizens. elleng Sep 2012 #68

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #55

You do realize that most of that increase in debt is a result of Bush policies don't you? Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #60

This thread is about the 47% claim and who is in that 47%. Please stay on topic. BlueStreak Sep 2012 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #54

Wow. xfundy Sep 2012 #57

No one in the main stream media today said bkkyosemite Sep 2012 #59

And it seems that Romney's 47% bkkyosemite Sep 2012 #61

Nice try. He ain't givin' that up. BlueStreak Sep 2012 #66