2016 Postmortem

Bleacher Creature

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45. Fine. I'll play.

Sun Jan 10, 2016, 09:46 PM

Jan 2016

His "claims" are all name calling and generalities. How can an insult be "true" or "false"? I think Nader is an asshole, but as much as I'd like for that to be the objective truth, I know it's all subjective.

I have absolutely no idea what "militarist" or "corporatist" is supposed to mean. Has Clinton supported military intervention in the past? Yes, and so have a lot of good people (including Sanders). Has she made some mistakes? Again, yes. And again, so have a lot of good people. When that crosses the line into Ralph Nader's magical definition of "militarist" is anyone's guess.

That said, I don't care what he has to say. Ralph Nader could go around speaking the most inane details about the weather 24/7, and I still don't want to hear his voice ever again. He has lost all credibility and is never getting it back.

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Ralph Nader: Hillary Clinton a “corporatist” and “militarist” [View all] JRLeft Jan 2016 OP

Ah, this groundhog appears. JoePhilly Jan 2016 #1

If a friend of my enemy condemns my enemy that makes him what? leveymg Jan 2016 #29

Sancho Panza? enid602 Jan 2016 #87

Sanders doesn't like Nader pengu Jan 2016 #150

Correction, they don't agree on some things. Eg, Nader thinks Sanders should not have run sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #265

His groundhog buddy popped up a few days ago. MADem Jan 2016 #151

Lol, speaking of groundhogs. Btw, she proved him right just today when she undermined President sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #263

Complete confirmation. JRLeft Jan 2016 #264

Ralph Nader Admitted Wanting To Elect George W. Bush in 2000 onehandle Jan 2016 #2

thank you. MBS Jan 2016 #62

Bingo. nt SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #67

Ugh. I had not read that before. JudyM Jan 2016 #276

This from the guy Gman Jan 2016 #3

If you think it was for his ego, you missed the big picture Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #61

No, I'm sure it was because he thought he had a real chance of winning. Downtown Hound Jan 2016 #240

Thanks Ralph, you are the old fool who made a bundle trashing the best car I ever had, Corvair. Hoyt Jan 2016 #4

I often rode in a neighbor's Corvair when I was a kid. onehandle Jan 2016 #9

It was a very cool car, small for the time, with good gas mileage. Very different from large gas Hoyt Jan 2016 #17

All rear-engine cars have the same problem Corvairs have jmowreader Jan 2016 #99

Supreme Court Justice Ralph Nader. OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #81

Well, if his preference in Bush v. Gore was Bush, that's a fair accusation. MADem Jan 2016 #153

Omg the room is spinning DVRacer Jan 2016 #250

That's funny. Having lived in 8 decades, I bet I've eerienced more than you and learned from it. :) Hoyt Jan 2016 #254

Why would that vile person think anyone cares what he has to say? Bleacher Creature Jan 2016 #5

What did he say that wasn't true? JRLeft Jan 2016 #6

Thanks. elleng Jan 2016 #23

Your welcome. The man is telling the truth. JRLeft Jan 2016 #24

Yes he is, elleng Jan 2016 #27

The responders to my post know this too; which is why they are attacking the messenger and not the JRLeft Jan 2016 #34

It's always easier to be intellectually dishonest dorkzilla Jan 2016 #75

So true. JRLeft Jan 2016 #77

Fine. I'll play. Bleacher Creature Jan 2016 #45

A militarist is a warhawk and a corporatist, is someone who is JRLeft Jan 2016 #46

What is a "warhawk and a corporatist?" More buzzwords! She isn't "owned" by anyone. MADem Jan 2016 #158

If some are looking to alienate Democrats, they certainly are doing a good still_one Jan 2016 #179

Really--it makes no sense! MADem Jan 2016 #197

Lol still_one Jan 2016 #200

Good post. MADem Jan 2016 #157

Hillary proved him right today. JRLeft Jan 2016 #266

Hello There... Nothing Here Can Be Disputed.. K and R! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #51

Not a darn thing. FlatBaroque Jan 2016 #260

He did not lie. 840high Jan 2016 #56

He's not vile, unless you think the US electoral system is vile. delrem Jan 2016 #112

There's no reason to have ill feelings toward Nader. Maedhros Jan 2016 #235

Who cares what he thinks about anything? Empowerer Jan 2016 #7

Ralph Nader is an arrogant idiot. Nice of you to drag him to DU. leftofcool Jan 2016 #8

What did he say in the article that wasn't true? JRLeft Jan 2016 #11

He's a huge hypocrite. Pls read the link brush Jan 2016 #188

The four-year cicada is back? TheCowsCameHome Jan 2016 #10

I'll say it--Nader is correct. Now everyone can get back to obliterating the messenger. nt DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #12

Funny how none of them have refuted the man. JRLeft Jan 2016 #13

Here you go brush Jan 2016 #189

While I am not a Nader fan, that does not debunk Nader's point Recursion Jan 2016 #262

He's quite the hypocrite brush Jan 2016 #192

Nothing on that site refuted Hillary being a corporatist. JRLeft Jan 2016 #258

Nader is indeed correct on this one. Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2016 #210

Shocking militarism? Interesting words from a man who helped inflict George W. Bush on the country Eugene Jan 2016 #14

Are you denying her militarism? JRLeft Jan 2016 #16

no more, no less than any Democratic president of the last 100 years wyldwolf Jan 2016 #252

That simply isn't true. But you knew that. 99Forever Jan 2016 #19

Read this link about hypocrite Nader brush Jan 2016 #191

Screw that. 99Forever Jan 2016 #202

Okay, stay uninformed about hypocrite Nader. brush Jan 2016 #204

I choose the person with actual credibility. 99Forever Jan 2016 #207

Hillary notwithstanding, you really should read it and find out about Nader. brush Jan 2016 #208

No I will not read your smear propaganda. 99Forever Jan 2016 #215

It's not smear propaganda. There are quotes from former employees of his . . . brush Jan 2016 #216

Just give it up. 99Forever Jan 2016 #219

God! Talk about inflexible. brush Jan 2016 #233

Dog! Talk about incoherent. 99Forever Jan 2016 #241

It is easier to ignore the ones who won't reason. Vincardog Jan 2016 #245

I personally love to... 99Forever Jan 2016 #247

Stop lying. 840high Jan 2016 #57

that man is called Jeb Bush MisterP Jan 2016 #66

Why? Isn't anyone who meets the criteria allowed to run? artislife Jan 2016 #125

Aren't you conveniently forgetting the SCOTUS and their illegal unconstitutional role? Vincardog Jan 2016 #246

Well, even granting that, it's not a refutation of his argument Recursion Jan 2016 #269

Ralph Nader??? BooScout Jan 2016 #15

Nader's agenda remains the same as in 2000. Hand the WH over to the GOP. oasis Jan 2016 #18

Roe v. Wade is one vote away from being history Gothmog Jan 2016 #22

His pathetic attempt at becoming "relevant" again. oasis Jan 2016 #25

What did he say that was wrong? JRLeft Jan 2016 #74

If you vouch for his word, that's on you. Personally I oasis Jan 2016 #107

Nader is a sad person who no one pays any attention to now Gothmog Jan 2016 #20

KingFlorez: Nader a "crackpot" and "senile" KingFlorez Jan 2016 #21

Is Hillary not a militarist and a corporatist? JRLeft Jan 2016 #26

History Will Not Remember One Fondly cantbeserious Jan 2016 #32

LOL still_one Jan 2016 #28

Know Thy Enemy - Oligarchs, Corporations, Banks And Their Media Minions And MIC Henchmen cantbeserious Jan 2016 #30

And so is Ralphie boy. A huge hypocrite. Pls read this link brush Jan 2016 #193

An Enemy To Whom - Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - More Power To Him cantbeserious Jan 2016 #211

I see you didn't read it brush Jan 2016 #213

I Did - All Accusations - A Character Assassination Piece cantbeserious Jan 2016 #217

Oh yeah, that's gonna help. MH1 Jan 2016 #31

Ever More Anti-Ralph Obfuscation cantbeserious Jan 2016 #33

Notice no one is denying what he said. JRLeft Jan 2016 #35

With Anti-Ralphers - It's All About Ad Hominem - Never The Facts cantbeserious Jan 2016 #36

Blind hate without reason. JRLeft Jan 2016 #37

Roger That On All Accounts And Particulars cantbeserious Jan 2016 #38

It's absolutely ridiculous, unreasonable, unsubstantiated garbage. JRLeft Jan 2016 #39

Here are some facts on Nader himself. He's a huge hypocrite and does many of the things . . . brush Jan 2016 #194

All Accusation - No Substance cantbeserious Jan 2016 #212

I see you didn't read it either brush Jan 2016 #214

I Did - All Accusations - A Character Assassination Piece cantbeserious Jan 2016 #218

*sigh* RandySF Jan 2016 #40

What did he say that was incorrect? JRLeft Jan 2016 #41

Fuck Ralph Nader. Adrahil Jan 2016 #42

I will ask you, what did he say that was incorrect? JRLeft Jan 2016 #43

He opened his stupid mouth rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #155

The fact that he is speaking. Shut up Ralph. Adrahil Jan 2016 #168

Fuck Nader. n/t JTFrog Jan 2016 #44

Ralph Nader: Responsible for all of the corporatism and militarism since 2001. Renew Deal Jan 2016 #47

Actually that would be corporate democrats and republicans. JRLeft Jan 2016 #48

Actually, no. It's people like you that claim there is no difference between the parties. Renew Deal Jan 2016 #49

No democrats who sell out to multinational corporations are the problem. JRLeft Jan 2016 #52

I voted for Gore in 2000. Did you? Renew Deal Jan 2016 #54

Yes I did. I wish I didn't now, he was part of the problem. JRLeft Jan 2016 #60

You saw the outcome of 8 years of Bush and you now wish you hadn't voted for Gore? Renew Deal Jan 2016 #64

Yeah, we needed real change 15 years ago after the damage Bill Clinton left behind. JRLeft Jan 2016 #68

Sure. Bill stole the W from your keyboard. okasha Jan 2016 #117

Deregulation, Nafta, telecommunications act, etc. Let's not pretend he didn't have a hand in the JRLeft Jan 2016 #120

Let's not pretend okasha Jan 2016 #124

It was a combination of Congress and 4 presidents. JRLeft Jan 2016 #128

It was the Republicans, and Nader helped them do it. baldguy Jan 2016 #147

Why? artislife Jan 2016 #129

I pretend the ineffectual are too powerful also-- LanternWaste Jan 2016 #273

From the asshole that helped elect George W Bush ronnykmarshall Jan 2016 #50

It's Nader's fault Gore couldn't carry his own state? JRLeft Jan 2016 #53

Gore won in 2000 Gore1FL Jan 2016 #58

It wasn't the butterfly ballots? artislife Jan 2016 #131

If the votes were actuallyu counted accross FL Gore won Gore1FL Jan 2016 #163

Not really artislife Jan 2016 #166

Nader was a factor. That's my point. n/t Gore1FL Jan 2016 #172

Not as nearly big as everyone likes to pin on him. That was my point.nt artislife Jan 2016 #174

Nader is not worth defending brush Jan 2016 #195

I am defending the idea of a Nader. artislife Jan 2016 #196

Wrong. TekGryphon Jan 2016 #229

You have to be against real democracy to think only two parties can choose who runs for office. nt artislife Jan 2016 #230

Thank you, Captain Non-Sequitur TekGryphon Jan 2016 #231

I will give you a Ross Perot and Bill Clinton win to finish. nt artislife Jan 2016 #234

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #59

Nader couldn't carry his own state either , but his goal was for BUsh to be President JI7 Jan 2016 #126

If Ralph Nader had any moral fiber left in his body... iandhr Jan 2016 #55

It was only inevitable that the weasel who virtually elected george bush would show up.... George II Jan 2016 #63

I have no interest in Nader's opinion regarding the Democratic primary. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #65

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #69

This thread was a great chance for me to figure out who to put on my ignore list Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #70

Those who blame Nader for the 2000 theft are morons and morningfog Jan 2016 #72

Um, what? JudyM Jan 2016 #79

I think he posted "shit for brains" not sure...better reread... artislife Jan 2016 #133

Ha, yep. Nt JudyM Jan 2016 #161

Yep they've forgotten the election was stolen. JRLeft Jan 2016 #80

True end result, but would it have been such a close skirmish if Nader hadn't taken votes? JudyM Jan 2016 #84

Nader didn't force those people to vote for him. JRLeft Jan 2016 #85

Of course not. The fact remains: he threw the election to Shrub without having a snowball's chance JudyM Jan 2016 #162

I do not blame him for the 2000 theft. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #100

I'm putting a few on my list right now. nt Nyan Jan 2016 #73

Read this and tell me if you're still pro-Nader. He's a huge hypocrite brush Jan 2016 #198

i loved nader until his attacks against Gore and the Democratic party MariaThinks Jan 2016 #71

What's the big deal? This much is true! ViseGrip Jan 2016 #76

Wow...Missing the point much? Nyan Jan 2016 #78

Hey - authoritarians react very negatively when the object of their adulation and obedience Maedhros Jan 2016 #238

Thanks for the Iraq war Ralph redstateblues Jan 2016 #82

You should thank Hillary, Nader didn't vote for Iraq. JRLeft Jan 2016 #83

No, but Nader got 95,000 Florida voters to vote for him instead of Al Gore. pnwmom Jan 2016 #86

Those people made the decision, not Nader. JRLeft Jan 2016 #90

If Nader hadn't been running, most of the voters said to pollsters they would have voted for pnwmom Jan 2016 #92

Hell, half of the registered Democrats in Florida didn't even bother to vote. progressoid Jan 2016 #220

Nader was the SINGLE progressive who took 95K FL votes that Nader could pnwmom Jan 2016 #223

See? It's easier to punch Nader than 200,000 Democrats. progressoid Jan 2016 #226

Each of them deserves one punch; he deserves 95,000. pnwmom Jan 2016 #228

A bunch of Naderites in FL did redstateblues Jan 2016 #91

Hillary voted for the war, you're thanking the wrong person. JRLeft Jan 2016 #93

I love to hear Naders defenders redstateblues Jan 2016 #97

Blah, blah, blah, blah, corporatist. Blah, blah, blah, Wall Street. betsuni Jan 2016 #88

Progress, you admit she's a corporatist and a warhawk. JRLeft Jan 2016 #95

And in Nader's execrable judgment, Al Gore and Bush were Tweedledee and Tweedledum. pnwmom Jan 2016 #89

I disagree with your assessment of Nader. Bleacher Creature Jan 2016 #96

LOL n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #103

Heehee! brush Jan 2016 #201

Yeah, I remember when... one_voice Jan 2016 #94

It's better she slaughter innocent women and children JRLeft Jan 2016 #98

I'm pretty sure I was clear in my post.. one_voice Jan 2016 #101

You basically implied it. JRLeft Jan 2016 #102

Where did I imply one_voice Jan 2016 #105

It's better that no one listen to sexist idiots who have already given us seriously pnwmom Jan 2016 #104

fuck this sexist asshole who dismissed Roe V Wade as not being important JI7 Jan 2016 #106

Ralph DonCoquixote Jan 2016 #108

Fuck Nader. nt LexVegas Jan 2016 #109

There is an interesting dynamic in this thread. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #110

No one disproved his opinion. JRLeft Jan 2016 #113

It's an opinion. You can't disprove an opinion. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #114

His opinion is a fact, she's a corporatist and warhawk. Those are proven facts. JRLeft Jan 2016 #115

Those appellations are subjective, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #116

They're not subjective at all. Unless you are blinded by fanaticism. JRLeft Jan 2016 #118

Let's see if we can move the ball here DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #122

Correlation or causation? OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #138

Answers in bold DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #139

Hillary's Iraq war vote is correlation? OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #141

You asked my opinion. I gave it to you, Now you disrespect, dismiss, dehumanize, and denigrate me. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #142

Aww. OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #143

"The ROFL smilie is a dehumanizer." DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #144

I have no respect for those who push false narratives. OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #145

I am sorry you feel the need to disrespect me, regardless of your rationalization. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #152

You are mistaken. OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #171

That is a distinction without a difference. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #173

No, it's not. OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #176

More insults... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #178

Demand? More like a suggestion. OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #180

Others can read it... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #181

Wow. NurseJackie Jan 2016 #182

Responding to those who push false narratives and smears OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #183

HA! NurseJackie Jan 2016 #184

The only action DSB has performed has been the writing of his opinion ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #186

I started reading your post, but then I lost interest. nt OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #187

I'm not surprised ... Oh Respectful One. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #190

I won't say what I'm thinking... NurseJackie Jan 2016 #232

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #185

Here's your buddy Ralph leftofcool Jan 2016 #148

And the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. So? n/t delrem Jan 2016 #111

No. okasha Jan 2016 #121

Oh dear! A ditherer! delrem Jan 2016 #123

Well, that certainly went right over your head. okasha Jan 2016 #127

What, to debate with someone who disputes the fact that the sun rises to the east? delrem Jan 2016 #130

I'm not debating with you, sweetie. okasha Jan 2016 #132

Well, you're certainly doing your thing, "sweetie". delrem Jan 2016 #134

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author betsuni Jan 2016 #136

fuck nader Lil Missy Jan 2016 #135

Never thought I'd see the day that Nader seems behind the times. senz Jan 2016 #137

She made "peace" when she wrote "An Analysis of the Alinsky Model." joshcryer Jan 2016 #140

Nader trying to become relevant. Beacool Jan 2016 #146

I don't know what's more annoying and troubling: baldguy Jan 2016 #149

^^^^^^^This!!!!!!!^^^^^^ MADem Jan 2016 #159

It's a toss up. Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #175

Hear, hear!!! Beacool Jan 2016 #225

Ralph Nader rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #154

Seriously who cares what ole Nader thinks at this point FloridaBlues Jan 2016 #156

I am not a Nader fan, but he is right about Libya. Vattel Jan 2016 #160

Fuck the George Bush stooge Nader. nt. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #164

Ralph Nader's Opinion Is Irrelevant in This Election. MineralMan Jan 2016 #165

What a meltdown. raouldukelives Jan 2016 #167

The Nader hate is outrageous. JRLeft Jan 2016 #169

The truth hurts. n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #170

The "truth" you're referring to does not in actuality hurt. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #244

Nader didn't steal the election. The Democrats lost it. Skwmom Jan 2016 #248

You're preaching to the choir. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #249

So irrational and embraced by so many jeepers Jan 2016 #177

They label anyone who tells the truth an extremist. n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #199

It's Tea Party behavior, only from Democrats. [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2016 #237

The Clinton hate is outrageous. baldguy Jan 2016 #221

ignore bait threads have taken over for flame bait threads olddots Jan 2016 #203

Oh Ralph, Ralph, Ralph ... NurseJackie Jan 2016 #205

He's right. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #206

There is no denying that. nt WDIM Jan 2016 #209

trash this Bush loving Nader and horse he rode in on. n't Sheepshank Jan 2016 #222

The man who gave us 8 years of Bush isn't who I need lectures from. TekGryphon Jan 2016 #224

Thanks for Bush and the Iraq War redstateblues Jan 2016 #227

Those who fixate their hatred on Nader for the 2000 election results Maedhros Jan 2016 #236

It's almost as pathetic as those that refuse to acknowledge his role in electing Bush as president Downtown Hound Jan 2016 #242

LOL, Ralph Nader has as much credibility as Dick Cheney R B Garr Jan 2016 #239

He's more credible than Hillary Clinton. 99Forever Jan 2016 #243

Nice try. The rest of us lived through his 2000 R B Garr Jan 2016 #253

This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever Jan 2016 #255

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2016 #256

How lame. R B Garr Jan 2016 #257

NOT handed the most powerful position in the world to an overly privileged sociopath Downtown Hound Jan 2016 #259

Hillarys Campaign manager EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #251

Hillary provided Ralph with confirmation today. JRLeft Jan 2016 #261

I guess "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" brooklynite Jan 2016 #267

Turns out he was right. JRLeft Jan 2016 #268

Funny how the same people who believe that anyone who has done anything they don't agree with at any Empowerer Jan 2016 #270

It wasn't the supreme Court? By the way Nader was right. JRLeft Jan 2016 #272

Yup. bigwillq Jan 2016 #271

but. but. but olddots Jan 2016 #274

Biggest lie ever. The Supreme Court cost us the election. JRLeft Jan 2016 #278

Ralph needs to give back all the money he's taken from Republicans DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #275

Nader should... Mike Nelson Jan 2016 #277