2016 Postmortem

DonCoquixote

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108. Ralph

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 12:24 AM

Jan 2016

I can giuve you credit for what you have done, but the fact is, YOU, yes YOU, and all the people that voted for you, are responsible for this. Go ahead and rattle about the Reagan Democrats in Florida, the fact is, if you did not come to Florida for the express purpose of trying to be a spoiler, Bush would never have been president. period. The numbers do not lie, they did nto lie, and they never will lie no matter how many people flip themselves into pretzels forgetting that they could have stiopped it, but chose not to because they wanted an ego high.

GO TO HELL, Ralph.

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Ralph Nader: Hillary Clinton a “corporatist” and “militarist” [View all] JRLeft Jan 2016 OP

Ah, this groundhog appears. JoePhilly Jan 2016 #1

If a friend of my enemy condemns my enemy that makes him what? leveymg Jan 2016 #29

Sancho Panza? enid602 Jan 2016 #87

Sanders doesn't like Nader pengu Jan 2016 #150

Correction, they don't agree on some things. Eg, Nader thinks Sanders should not have run sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #265

His groundhog buddy popped up a few days ago. MADem Jan 2016 #151

Lol, speaking of groundhogs. Btw, she proved him right just today when she undermined President sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #263

Complete confirmation. JRLeft Jan 2016 #264

Ralph Nader Admitted Wanting To Elect George W. Bush in 2000 onehandle Jan 2016 #2

thank you. MBS Jan 2016 #62

Bingo. nt SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #67

Ugh. I had not read that before. JudyM Jan 2016 #276

This from the guy Gman Jan 2016 #3

If you think it was for his ego, you missed the big picture Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #61

No, I'm sure it was because he thought he had a real chance of winning. Downtown Hound Jan 2016 #240

Thanks Ralph, you are the old fool who made a bundle trashing the best car I ever had, Corvair. Hoyt Jan 2016 #4

I often rode in a neighbor's Corvair when I was a kid. onehandle Jan 2016 #9

It was a very cool car, small for the time, with good gas mileage. Very different from large gas Hoyt Jan 2016 #17

All rear-engine cars have the same problem Corvairs have jmowreader Jan 2016 #99

Supreme Court Justice Ralph Nader. OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #81

Well, if his preference in Bush v. Gore was Bush, that's a fair accusation. MADem Jan 2016 #153

Omg the room is spinning DVRacer Jan 2016 #250

That's funny. Having lived in 8 decades, I bet I've eerienced more than you and learned from it. :) Hoyt Jan 2016 #254

Why would that vile person think anyone cares what he has to say? Bleacher Creature Jan 2016 #5

What did he say that wasn't true? JRLeft Jan 2016 #6

Thanks. elleng Jan 2016 #23

Your welcome. The man is telling the truth. JRLeft Jan 2016 #24

Yes he is, elleng Jan 2016 #27

The responders to my post know this too; which is why they are attacking the messenger and not the JRLeft Jan 2016 #34

It's always easier to be intellectually dishonest dorkzilla Jan 2016 #75

So true. JRLeft Jan 2016 #77

Fine. I'll play. Bleacher Creature Jan 2016 #45

A militarist is a warhawk and a corporatist, is someone who is JRLeft Jan 2016 #46

What is a "warhawk and a corporatist?" More buzzwords! She isn't "owned" by anyone. MADem Jan 2016 #158

If some are looking to alienate Democrats, they certainly are doing a good still_one Jan 2016 #179

Really--it makes no sense! MADem Jan 2016 #197

Lol still_one Jan 2016 #200

Good post. MADem Jan 2016 #157

Hillary proved him right today. JRLeft Jan 2016 #266

Hello There... Nothing Here Can Be Disputed.. K and R! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #51

Not a darn thing. FlatBaroque Jan 2016 #260

He did not lie. 840high Jan 2016 #56

He's not vile, unless you think the US electoral system is vile. delrem Jan 2016 #112

There's no reason to have ill feelings toward Nader. Maedhros Jan 2016 #235

Who cares what he thinks about anything? Empowerer Jan 2016 #7

Ralph Nader is an arrogant idiot. Nice of you to drag him to DU. leftofcool Jan 2016 #8

What did he say in the article that wasn't true? JRLeft Jan 2016 #11

He's a huge hypocrite. Pls read the link brush Jan 2016 #188

The four-year cicada is back? TheCowsCameHome Jan 2016 #10

I'll say it--Nader is correct. Now everyone can get back to obliterating the messenger. nt DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #12

Funny how none of them have refuted the man. JRLeft Jan 2016 #13

Here you go brush Jan 2016 #189

While I am not a Nader fan, that does not debunk Nader's point Recursion Jan 2016 #262

He's quite the hypocrite brush Jan 2016 #192

Nothing on that site refuted Hillary being a corporatist. JRLeft Jan 2016 #258

Nader is indeed correct on this one. Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2016 #210

Shocking militarism? Interesting words from a man who helped inflict George W. Bush on the country Eugene Jan 2016 #14

Are you denying her militarism? JRLeft Jan 2016 #16

no more, no less than any Democratic president of the last 100 years wyldwolf Jan 2016 #252

That simply isn't true. But you knew that. 99Forever Jan 2016 #19

Read this link about hypocrite Nader brush Jan 2016 #191

Screw that. 99Forever Jan 2016 #202

Okay, stay uninformed about hypocrite Nader. brush Jan 2016 #204

I choose the person with actual credibility. 99Forever Jan 2016 #207

Hillary notwithstanding, you really should read it and find out about Nader. brush Jan 2016 #208

No I will not read your smear propaganda. 99Forever Jan 2016 #215

It's not smear propaganda. There are quotes from former employees of his . . . brush Jan 2016 #216

Just give it up. 99Forever Jan 2016 #219

God! Talk about inflexible. brush Jan 2016 #233

Dog! Talk about incoherent. 99Forever Jan 2016 #241

It is easier to ignore the ones who won't reason. Vincardog Jan 2016 #245

I personally love to... 99Forever Jan 2016 #247

Stop lying. 840high Jan 2016 #57

that man is called Jeb Bush MisterP Jan 2016 #66

Why? Isn't anyone who meets the criteria allowed to run? artislife Jan 2016 #125

Aren't you conveniently forgetting the SCOTUS and their illegal unconstitutional role? Vincardog Jan 2016 #246

Well, even granting that, it's not a refutation of his argument Recursion Jan 2016 #269

Ralph Nader??? BooScout Jan 2016 #15

Nader's agenda remains the same as in 2000. Hand the WH over to the GOP. oasis Jan 2016 #18

Roe v. Wade is one vote away from being history Gothmog Jan 2016 #22

His pathetic attempt at becoming "relevant" again. oasis Jan 2016 #25

What did he say that was wrong? JRLeft Jan 2016 #74

If you vouch for his word, that's on you. Personally I oasis Jan 2016 #107

Nader is a sad person who no one pays any attention to now Gothmog Jan 2016 #20

KingFlorez: Nader a "crackpot" and "senile" KingFlorez Jan 2016 #21

Is Hillary not a militarist and a corporatist? JRLeft Jan 2016 #26

History Will Not Remember One Fondly cantbeserious Jan 2016 #32

LOL still_one Jan 2016 #28

Know Thy Enemy - Oligarchs, Corporations, Banks And Their Media Minions And MIC Henchmen cantbeserious Jan 2016 #30

And so is Ralphie boy. A huge hypocrite. Pls read this link brush Jan 2016 #193

An Enemy To Whom - Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - More Power To Him cantbeserious Jan 2016 #211

I see you didn't read it brush Jan 2016 #213

I Did - All Accusations - A Character Assassination Piece cantbeserious Jan 2016 #217

Oh yeah, that's gonna help. MH1 Jan 2016 #31

Ever More Anti-Ralph Obfuscation cantbeserious Jan 2016 #33

Notice no one is denying what he said. JRLeft Jan 2016 #35

With Anti-Ralphers - It's All About Ad Hominem - Never The Facts cantbeserious Jan 2016 #36

Blind hate without reason. JRLeft Jan 2016 #37

Roger That On All Accounts And Particulars cantbeserious Jan 2016 #38

It's absolutely ridiculous, unreasonable, unsubstantiated garbage. JRLeft Jan 2016 #39

Here are some facts on Nader himself. He's a huge hypocrite and does many of the things . . . brush Jan 2016 #194

All Accusation - No Substance cantbeserious Jan 2016 #212

I see you didn't read it either brush Jan 2016 #214

I Did - All Accusations - A Character Assassination Piece cantbeserious Jan 2016 #218

*sigh* RandySF Jan 2016 #40

What did he say that was incorrect? JRLeft Jan 2016 #41

Fuck Ralph Nader. Adrahil Jan 2016 #42

I will ask you, what did he say that was incorrect? JRLeft Jan 2016 #43

He opened his stupid mouth rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #155

The fact that he is speaking. Shut up Ralph. Adrahil Jan 2016 #168

Fuck Nader. n/t JTFrog Jan 2016 #44

Ralph Nader: Responsible for all of the corporatism and militarism since 2001. Renew Deal Jan 2016 #47

Actually that would be corporate democrats and republicans. JRLeft Jan 2016 #48

Actually, no. It's people like you that claim there is no difference between the parties. Renew Deal Jan 2016 #49

No democrats who sell out to multinational corporations are the problem. JRLeft Jan 2016 #52

I voted for Gore in 2000. Did you? Renew Deal Jan 2016 #54

Yes I did. I wish I didn't now, he was part of the problem. JRLeft Jan 2016 #60

You saw the outcome of 8 years of Bush and you now wish you hadn't voted for Gore? Renew Deal Jan 2016 #64

Yeah, we needed real change 15 years ago after the damage Bill Clinton left behind. JRLeft Jan 2016 #68

Sure. Bill stole the W from your keyboard. okasha Jan 2016 #117

Deregulation, Nafta, telecommunications act, etc. Let's not pretend he didn't have a hand in the JRLeft Jan 2016 #120

Let's not pretend okasha Jan 2016 #124

It was a combination of Congress and 4 presidents. JRLeft Jan 2016 #128

It was the Republicans, and Nader helped them do it. baldguy Jan 2016 #147

Why? artislife Jan 2016 #129

I pretend the ineffectual are too powerful also-- LanternWaste Jan 2016 #273

From the asshole that helped elect George W Bush ronnykmarshall Jan 2016 #50

It's Nader's fault Gore couldn't carry his own state? JRLeft Jan 2016 #53

Gore won in 2000 Gore1FL Jan 2016 #58

It wasn't the butterfly ballots? artislife Jan 2016 #131

If the votes were actuallyu counted accross FL Gore won Gore1FL Jan 2016 #163

Not really artislife Jan 2016 #166

Nader was a factor. That's my point. n/t Gore1FL Jan 2016 #172

Not as nearly big as everyone likes to pin on him. That was my point.nt artislife Jan 2016 #174

Nader is not worth defending brush Jan 2016 #195

I am defending the idea of a Nader. artislife Jan 2016 #196

Wrong. TekGryphon Jan 2016 #229

You have to be against real democracy to think only two parties can choose who runs for office. nt artislife Jan 2016 #230

Thank you, Captain Non-Sequitur TekGryphon Jan 2016 #231

I will give you a Ross Perot and Bill Clinton win to finish. nt artislife Jan 2016 #234

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #59

Nader couldn't carry his own state either , but his goal was for BUsh to be President JI7 Jan 2016 #126

If Ralph Nader had any moral fiber left in his body... iandhr Jan 2016 #55

It was only inevitable that the weasel who virtually elected george bush would show up.... George II Jan 2016 #63

I have no interest in Nader's opinion regarding the Democratic primary. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #65

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #69

This thread was a great chance for me to figure out who to put on my ignore list Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #70

Those who blame Nader for the 2000 theft are morons and morningfog Jan 2016 #72

Um, what? JudyM Jan 2016 #79

I think he posted "shit for brains" not sure...better reread... artislife Jan 2016 #133

Ha, yep. Nt JudyM Jan 2016 #161

Yep they've forgotten the election was stolen. JRLeft Jan 2016 #80

True end result, but would it have been such a close skirmish if Nader hadn't taken votes? JudyM Jan 2016 #84

Nader didn't force those people to vote for him. JRLeft Jan 2016 #85

Of course not. The fact remains: he threw the election to Shrub without having a snowball's chance JudyM Jan 2016 #162

I do not blame him for the 2000 theft. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #100

I'm putting a few on my list right now. nt Nyan Jan 2016 #73

Read this and tell me if you're still pro-Nader. He's a huge hypocrite brush Jan 2016 #198

i loved nader until his attacks against Gore and the Democratic party MariaThinks Jan 2016 #71

What's the big deal? This much is true! ViseGrip Jan 2016 #76

Wow...Missing the point much? Nyan Jan 2016 #78

Hey - authoritarians react very negatively when the object of their adulation and obedience Maedhros Jan 2016 #238

Thanks for the Iraq war Ralph redstateblues Jan 2016 #82

You should thank Hillary, Nader didn't vote for Iraq. JRLeft Jan 2016 #83

No, but Nader got 95,000 Florida voters to vote for him instead of Al Gore. pnwmom Jan 2016 #86

Those people made the decision, not Nader. JRLeft Jan 2016 #90

If Nader hadn't been running, most of the voters said to pollsters they would have voted for pnwmom Jan 2016 #92

Hell, half of the registered Democrats in Florida didn't even bother to vote. progressoid Jan 2016 #220

Nader was the SINGLE progressive who took 95K FL votes that Nader could pnwmom Jan 2016 #223

See? It's easier to punch Nader than 200,000 Democrats. progressoid Jan 2016 #226

Each of them deserves one punch; he deserves 95,000. pnwmom Jan 2016 #228

A bunch of Naderites in FL did redstateblues Jan 2016 #91

Hillary voted for the war, you're thanking the wrong person. JRLeft Jan 2016 #93

I love to hear Naders defenders redstateblues Jan 2016 #97

Blah, blah, blah, blah, corporatist. Blah, blah, blah, Wall Street. betsuni Jan 2016 #88

Progress, you admit she's a corporatist and a warhawk. JRLeft Jan 2016 #95

And in Nader's execrable judgment, Al Gore and Bush were Tweedledee and Tweedledum. pnwmom Jan 2016 #89

I disagree with your assessment of Nader. Bleacher Creature Jan 2016 #96

LOL n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #103

Heehee! brush Jan 2016 #201

Yeah, I remember when... one_voice Jan 2016 #94

It's better she slaughter innocent women and children JRLeft Jan 2016 #98

I'm pretty sure I was clear in my post.. one_voice Jan 2016 #101

You basically implied it. JRLeft Jan 2016 #102

Where did I imply one_voice Jan 2016 #105

It's better that no one listen to sexist idiots who have already given us seriously pnwmom Jan 2016 #104

fuck this sexist asshole who dismissed Roe V Wade as not being important JI7 Jan 2016 #106

Ralph DonCoquixote Jan 2016 #108

Fuck Nader. nt LexVegas Jan 2016 #109

There is an interesting dynamic in this thread. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #110

No one disproved his opinion. JRLeft Jan 2016 #113

It's an opinion. You can't disprove an opinion. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #114

His opinion is a fact, she's a corporatist and warhawk. Those are proven facts. JRLeft Jan 2016 #115

Those appellations are subjective, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #116

They're not subjective at all. Unless you are blinded by fanaticism. JRLeft Jan 2016 #118

Let's see if we can move the ball here DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #122

Correlation or causation? OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #138

Answers in bold DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #139

Hillary's Iraq war vote is correlation? OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #141

You asked my opinion. I gave it to you, Now you disrespect, dismiss, dehumanize, and denigrate me. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #142

Aww. OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #143

"The ROFL smilie is a dehumanizer." DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #144

I have no respect for those who push false narratives. OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #145

I am sorry you feel the need to disrespect me, regardless of your rationalization. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #152

You are mistaken. OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #171

That is a distinction without a difference. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #173

No, it's not. OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #176

More insults... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #178

Demand? More like a suggestion. OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #180

Others can read it... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #181

Wow. NurseJackie Jan 2016 #182

Responding to those who push false narratives and smears OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #183

HA! NurseJackie Jan 2016 #184

The only action DSB has performed has been the writing of his opinion ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #186

I started reading your post, but then I lost interest. nt OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #187

I'm not surprised ... Oh Respectful One. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #190

I won't say what I'm thinking... NurseJackie Jan 2016 #232

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #185

Here's your buddy Ralph leftofcool Jan 2016 #148

And the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. So? n/t delrem Jan 2016 #111

No. okasha Jan 2016 #121

Oh dear! A ditherer! delrem Jan 2016 #123

Well, that certainly went right over your head. okasha Jan 2016 #127

What, to debate with someone who disputes the fact that the sun rises to the east? delrem Jan 2016 #130

I'm not debating with you, sweetie. okasha Jan 2016 #132

Well, you're certainly doing your thing, "sweetie". delrem Jan 2016 #134

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author betsuni Jan 2016 #136

fuck nader Lil Missy Jan 2016 #135

Never thought I'd see the day that Nader seems behind the times. senz Jan 2016 #137

She made "peace" when she wrote "An Analysis of the Alinsky Model." joshcryer Jan 2016 #140

Nader trying to become relevant. Beacool Jan 2016 #146

I don't know what's more annoying and troubling: baldguy Jan 2016 #149

^^^^^^^This!!!!!!!^^^^^^ MADem Jan 2016 #159

It's a toss up. Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #175

Hear, hear!!! Beacool Jan 2016 #225

Ralph Nader rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #154

Seriously who cares what ole Nader thinks at this point FloridaBlues Jan 2016 #156

I am not a Nader fan, but he is right about Libya. Vattel Jan 2016 #160

Fuck the George Bush stooge Nader. nt. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #164

Ralph Nader's Opinion Is Irrelevant in This Election. MineralMan Jan 2016 #165

What a meltdown. raouldukelives Jan 2016 #167

The Nader hate is outrageous. JRLeft Jan 2016 #169

The truth hurts. n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #170

The "truth" you're referring to does not in actuality hurt. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #244

Nader didn't steal the election. The Democrats lost it. Skwmom Jan 2016 #248

You're preaching to the choir. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #249

So irrational and embraced by so many jeepers Jan 2016 #177

They label anyone who tells the truth an extremist. n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #199

It's Tea Party behavior, only from Democrats. [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2016 #237

The Clinton hate is outrageous. baldguy Jan 2016 #221

ignore bait threads have taken over for flame bait threads olddots Jan 2016 #203

Oh Ralph, Ralph, Ralph ... NurseJackie Jan 2016 #205

He's right. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #206

There is no denying that. nt WDIM Jan 2016 #209

trash this Bush loving Nader and horse he rode in on. n't Sheepshank Jan 2016 #222

The man who gave us 8 years of Bush isn't who I need lectures from. TekGryphon Jan 2016 #224

Thanks for Bush and the Iraq War redstateblues Jan 2016 #227

Those who fixate their hatred on Nader for the 2000 election results Maedhros Jan 2016 #236

It's almost as pathetic as those that refuse to acknowledge his role in electing Bush as president Downtown Hound Jan 2016 #242

LOL, Ralph Nader has as much credibility as Dick Cheney R B Garr Jan 2016 #239

He's more credible than Hillary Clinton. 99Forever Jan 2016 #243

Nice try. The rest of us lived through his 2000 R B Garr Jan 2016 #253

This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever Jan 2016 #255

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2016 #256

How lame. R B Garr Jan 2016 #257

NOT handed the most powerful position in the world to an overly privileged sociopath Downtown Hound Jan 2016 #259

Hillarys Campaign manager EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #251

Hillary provided Ralph with confirmation today. JRLeft Jan 2016 #261

I guess "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" brooklynite Jan 2016 #267

Turns out he was right. JRLeft Jan 2016 #268

Funny how the same people who believe that anyone who has done anything they don't agree with at any Empowerer Jan 2016 #270

It wasn't the supreme Court? By the way Nader was right. JRLeft Jan 2016 #272

Yup. bigwillq Jan 2016 #271

but. but. but olddots Jan 2016 #274

Biggest lie ever. The Supreme Court cost us the election. JRLeft Jan 2016 #278

Ralph needs to give back all the money he's taken from Republicans DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #275

Nader should... Mike Nelson Jan 2016 #277