2016 Postmortem

synergie

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57. It would seem that you need to calm down because there is a whole lot

Mon Jan 11, 2016, 11:34 AM

Jan 2016

you don't seem to understand about the simple difference between a healthcare provider and the various programs there to pay for the care provided. Seems like you could use some explaining since all the "mansplaining" and Berniesplaining has left you quite ignorant about the basic logic and facts involved here.

When you don't understand what medicare is (long term care for the elderly), you shouldn't be explaining anything to anyone, no matter how many condescending enhancements you make to text you clearly have no clue about.

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Sincere question: If we had Medicare for All, would we need Planned Parenthood? [View all] Scuba Jan 2016 OP

Conspiracy Theories belong in CREATIVE SPECULATION brooklynite Jan 2016 #1

+1 JoePhilly Jan 2016 #2

Add to which...Medicare for all doesn't eliminate health care providers, just payers brooklynite Jan 2016 #3

If they same services as provided by PP were paid by Medicare for All, wouldnt' they then be ... Scuba Jan 2016 #13

Why do you think the GOP would let federal funds be used to pay for abortion? JoePhilly Jan 2016 #24

Please see reply 16 and my reply 18. Thanks. Scuba Jan 2016 #26

Medicaid/care already pay for PP services. And no hospitals and existing clinics cannot cover the synergie Jan 2016 #49

Please explain how I'm attempting to destroy PP and what it is you consider a temper tantrum. Scuba Jan 2016 #54

See my post #97 re the Hyde Amendment. Abortion is not covered by a single cent of federal funds. Hekate Jan 2016 #99

Thanks. Someone else also educated me about that. Scuba Jan 2016 #100

yes handmade34 Jan 2016 #4

No question they're a wonderful organization. But would they be needed if we had M. for All? Scuba Jan 2016 #5

Medicare doesn't pay for everything. A person still has to have supplemental insurance. LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #35

PP is a healthcare provider, chaning how you pay for heatlhcare doesn't affect synergie Jan 2016 #50

That makes sense. I thought that they did provide some free services, but I guess those are paid LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #53

Well, in most other developed nations, their universal healthcare DOES cover every penny. kath Jan 2016 #81

I had a friend in England that did have an insurance plan in England as it paid for LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #82

The PP centers here polly7 Jan 2016 #84

One pays out of pocket for abortions at PP. Medicaid pays for birth control from PP or a Dr. Autumn Jan 2016 #112

This is the correct answer^^^ -none Jan 2016 #56

Yes. synergie Jan 2016 #47

You busted them. PP is fighting to provide women and families with great services. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #6

Can you believe this? Throw women under the bus. More, feed the war against women, Democratic style. seabeyond Jan 2016 #7

Wouldn't women be better off with Medicare for All than having to get charity care at PP? Scuba Jan 2016 #14

The willful blindness is unbelievable. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #22

They're not gettting "charity care" at PP, they're getting MEDICAL care at PP and if they qualify synergie Jan 2016 #48

"Charity care"? Is that what you think it is? Hekate Jan 2016 #101

To be fair, it's not Bernie that's doing this it's a certain faction of his supporters synergie Jan 2016 #51

It isn't Bernie. But, you know he knows and he has not stood up for women and PP and told his seabeyond Jan 2016 #78

I don't think anyone should be trashing PP, regardless of party, since they serve synergie Jan 2016 #113

Good post seabeyond Jan 2016 #114

You avoided the question while impugning my character. Nice attempt at diversion. Scuba Jan 2016 #9

Impugning your character? Calling you out your attack on PP. As a Democrat, we still do have the seabeyond Jan 2016 #11

There was no attack on PP. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #23

PP isn't a charity. It's a health care provider, and what do you imagine medicare for all means? synergie Jan 2016 #52

Two words: Hyde Amendment. Damn straight we still need Planned Parenthood. Hekate Jan 2016 #103

+1 DawgHouse Jan 2016 #104

Thanks all. I am really kinda disgusted with our Dem ability to attack PP and women in general. seabeyond Jan 2016 #115

"while impugning my character" NCTraveler Jan 2016 #12

Well,congrats,this is a new low.nt sufrommich Jan 2016 #8

Support of the status quo has nothing to do with it. nt edgineered Jan 2016 #10

In a single payer system.. 99Forever Jan 2016 #15

Per their own website, 79% of PP patients are low income. Why would they travel ... Scuba Jan 2016 #17

What location do you image the women will go to instead of a PP location? JoePhilly Jan 2016 #28

Please see reply 16 and my reply 18. Thanks. Scuba Jan 2016 #30

That does not answer my question about the locations. JoePhilly Jan 2016 #31

Yeah it does. They'd still go to PP as it would still be needed. Scuba Jan 2016 #38

Well, unless "medicare for all" or whatever also provides for transporation costs and synergie Jan 2016 #55

After 32 years as a hospital administrator, yeah I know how healthcare works. And I also know ... Scuba Jan 2016 #58

And if that hospital is catholic and won't provide abortion services? mythology Jan 2016 #90

Medicare applies to people over age 65, who are not the main consumers of family planning services, Tanuki Jan 2016 #19

Take a deep breath. 99Forever Jan 2016 #29

I understand it quite well, but that is not the term you used in the post to which I responded. Tanuki Jan 2016 #36

No. Apparently you don't even have the first clue. 99Forever Jan 2016 #43

Right, I don't know wtf I'm talking about. Thanks for Bernsplaining. That really helps women whose Tanuki Jan 2016 #46

Fuck the GOP. 99Forever Jan 2016 #68

Actually, you carry their water, albeit inadvertently, when you urge PP to "stay the fuck Tanuki Jan 2016 #71

Bullshit. 99Forever Jan 2016 #74

Instead of a reasoned rebuttal, all you can do is sputter with insults and cussing. Tanuki Jan 2016 #75

"Reasoned rebuttal" to false accusations and personal insults? 99Forever Jan 2016 #80

you just made it restorefreedom Jan 2016 #94

For the record, I wasn't the one who alerted on this. n/t Tanuki Jan 2016 #95

Thanks, Tanuki. PP's political fight for its life reminds me of a Woody Guthrie song... Hekate Jan 2016 #107

It would seem that you need to calm down because there is a whole lot synergie Jan 2016 #57

Bernsplaining? mcar Jan 2016 #85

Hillarious, huh. 99Forever Jan 2016 #86

He thinks he actually sent me someplace? Tanuki Jan 2016 #88

Yes, because there are exclusions of using public funds to cover abortion in most states. Tanuki Jan 2016 #16

Finally an answer that makes sense. Thank you. Scuba Jan 2016 #18

that is very helpful, since I too shared the OP's question and didn't understand the attacks zazen Jan 2016 #32

I thought it was pretty funny that I was "throwing women under the bus" because I want M4A. Scuba Jan 2016 #42

I think it's kind of odd that you chose to take that from what was said. synergie Jan 2016 #61

Sarah Palin would be proud of that word salad. Scuba Jan 2016 #63

You give her WAY too much credit. She wouldn't get by the first two words before walking away, BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #87

Are you serious? ismnotwasm Jan 2016 #20

Pleaser see reply #16 and my reply #18. Scuba Jan 2016 #21

Perhaps I've been following what PP does a bit closer that what is considered usual ismnotwasm Jan 2016 #25

No problem. Scuba Jan 2016 #27

single payer would almost certainly benefit them dsc Jan 2016 #33

You have selected #2. Please confirm. randome Jan 2016 #34

so if 16/18 are true, then PP should issue release talking about their role in Single Payer zazen Jan 2016 #37

+1. Nt JudyM Jan 2016 #39

They did, they found that he wasn't the best advocate for them. They don't need synergie Jan 2016 #60

In the UK Bad Dog Jan 2016 #40

No, we'd do away with clinics altogether. joshcryer Jan 2016 #41

Yes, because of the Hyde Act Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #44

Thanks for this useful answer. Scuba Jan 2016 #45

Scuba, there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers. shraby Jan 2016 #64

It's primary season, and emotions run hot. I tend to excuse that. Scuba Jan 2016 #66

I've no idea what the above exchange was about. Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #83

My original reply to you was meant as a sincere complement. Your answer was useful... Scuba Jan 2016 #89

You're reply was OK, Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #91

When I had mcaid I preferred pp gwheezie Jan 2016 #59

It seems unlikely that Medicare for all or any single payer MineralMan Jan 2016 #62

yes, we would need non-profit charities like pp for persons with no insurance or medicare. Sunlei Jan 2016 #65

So for undocumented immigrants. That makes sense. Scuba Jan 2016 #67

a lot of 'citizens' make below the poverty lvl, don't have* to have insurance & are younger/healthy Sunlei Jan 2016 #69

If we had Medicare for All, all citizens would be covered. That's the premise of my OP. Scuba Jan 2016 #70

charities like PP 'organize/Admin.' for example, breast exams, prenatal healthcare, Sunlei Jan 2016 #72

I agree that federal monies should cover abortion and would like that included in Medicare for All. Scuba Jan 2016 #73

Probably (nt) bigwillq Jan 2016 #76

Here is the Planned Parenthood site nearest me, in Regina, SK. polly7 Jan 2016 #77

Now that is a good question Android3.14 Jan 2016 #79

Bernie fully supports PP. Hillary has only qualified support for PP. ieoeja Jan 2016 #92

Forget the paradigms. Bernie wants Not For Profit Health Care. Bernin4U Jan 2016 #93

Yes, because Planned Parenthood is considered a provider. Karma13612 Jan 2016 #96

Two words: Hyde Amendment. Damn straight we still need Planned Parenthood. Hekate Jan 2016 #97

Yes. Agschmid Jan 2016 #98

I think the people who run PP actually do hope for the day when they are unnecessary. randys1 Jan 2016 #102

That depends RandySF Jan 2016 #105

Medicare is geared to serve the older populations who usually don't get pregnant therefore need no Hiraeth Jan 2016 #106

Thank you for this excellent addition to the thread!!! Scuba Jan 2016 #108

yw Hiraeth Jan 2016 #110

No. We never should have needed planned parenthood. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #109

FUCKING PATHETIC. AMEN. Hiraeth Jan 2016 #111

No. People will just go to the Medicare Office to get their abortions Freddie Stubbs Jan 2016 #116